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Post by harrytom on Aug 2, 2024 18:56:55 GMT 12
It seems the fuzz now think they're judge, jury and executioner on free speech if this is correct. More Police Officers have come forward, informing us of the extreme, and unlawful, training that is occurring in Police against 'hate speech' and 'hate crime.' Not only are they being trained that the statement 'there are only two genders' or 'Kiwi, not Iwi' are 'hate speech', but they claim there is an entire 'Hate Hub' on an internal intranet, where Police are recording every complaint made to them about 'hate'. Apparently, there are only two things needed to have a non-criminal 'hate-incident' recorded against you: you're in a minority, and you believe someone treated you with hate. Sign our Public Letter to Commissioner Coster now Below, I've copied a letter from a senior police officer who's contacted us, but first, please sign our public letter now to Commissioner Coster. Next week, our Chief Executive, Jonathan, and Senior In-House lawyer, Hannah, are meeting with Coster. They are going to print out hard copies of each name that signs this letter. Last time we did this, it added up to 700 pages of signatures- but this time it has to be more. Coster must understand that this illegal training must stop. This is the most serious issue the Free Speech Union has faced since we formed in 2021. It is not up to Police to decide what 'hate speech' is, or to create new categories of offences without Parliament. "I am also a senior police officer. I am very concerned by this training (it is only one example of the type of ideologically influenced and training that police staff have to complete). There is also an internal, intranet-based "Hate Hub" for all things "hate" and staff have been directed that any reported incidents of hate speech that are not offences must still to be recorded as "hate incidents". The test of what is considered a hate incident, according to policy, is anything the complaints feels is hateful towards them as a member of a minority group. There is no objective test, only subjective. Police don't take reports for other matters that are not offences without good reason, and it is deeply concerning that this is now policy. The policy seems to have been introduced in a quiet, bit-by-bit manner over a number of months which raises the suspicion that it's been deliberately done this way to avoid public scrutiny. I did not sign up to be the thought police, in fact I became a police officer to protect people's inherent rights, and this is deeply troubling."Link to petitionwww.fsu.nz/police_must_stop_illegal_training?utm_campaign=240802_policetraining&utm_medium=email&utm_source=freespeechCarry over from Jacinda days?
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Post by Cantab on Aug 2, 2024 19:25:16 GMT 12
Given what's going on in the UK at the moment, and the response from their new Prime Minister, I don't think it was her idea.
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Post by GO30 on Aug 3, 2024 13:16:21 GMT 12
I'm fast coming to a place where if someone goes Columbine on a pile of politicians I don't think I'll be that upset. They are going hard at fucking the place due to greed and incompetence so it;snot like we stand to lose much of any value. Hmmm....what's that nondescript saloon with tinted windows doing sitting at the bottom of the drive, it's been there a while now. Is that SIS I can see on the parking pass. I could be in trouble and need to hide fast, anyone got a slightly sloping roof I can use? While in jest I do see times coming when a post like this would generate a visit from the state. It's happening worldwide, it's growing and judging by the post above, it's only matter of time. I am actually awaiting some cockwomble to pop up over the current biffo with Stats. I did use the R word and nothing bets that one for triggering a wokie.
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Post by fish on Aug 3, 2024 16:35:44 GMT 12
Given what's going on in the UK at the moment, and the response from their new Prime Minister, I don't think it was her idea. View AttachmentThis meme looks like a complete misrepresentation. What did we used to call it? Disinformation? Videos on line now of two police stations being burnt. "protestors" burnt a police van and injured 36 police in one incident in Southport, cause the cops were stopping them trying to burn down a Mosque. Violent rioting in several places around the UK - and I don't need to read MSM to understand this, it is all videos on the interweb. So to characterise that as people protesting against knife crime is complete and utter bullshit, to be honest. You have rabid violent extremists high-jacking a peaceful vigil for a couple of murdered young girls, along with this rubbish post I've seen some utter nonsense on SM about how these guys rioting, burning shops and cars and injuring dozens of cops somehow think they have the moral highground. All this is is out and out racism of thick white English guys targeting immigrants. Nothing more, nothing less. Racism at it's extreme. Absolutely zero to do with 'protesting knife crime'. PS, I'd love Tea Party to check out what real racism looks like, maybe then they wouldn't shoot their mouths off and continue stirring up this level of hatred.
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Post by Cantab on Aug 4, 2024 7:11:51 GMT 12
They finally united the Catholics and Protestants
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Post by Cantab on Aug 4, 2024 7:20:41 GMT 12
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Post by harrytom on Aug 4, 2024 7:44:04 GMT 12
Could just send Brenton Tarrant over there.He will sort it real quick.Still buggered if I know why hes locked up for life,rather than put to death.Yes I know its an existance life he lives but is it humane?
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Post by sloopjohnb on Aug 4, 2024 9:31:38 GMT 12
It must be cold in Stroke most of the people where wearing balaclavas.
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Post by fish on Aug 4, 2024 9:56:01 GMT 12
Could just send Brenton Tarrant over there.He will sort it real quick. Why would you say that? Do you aspire to mass murder? Are you happy he killed so many?
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Post by GO30 on Aug 4, 2024 11:00:49 GMT 12
Could just send Brenton Tarrant over there.He will sort it real quick.Still buggered if I know why hes locked up for life,rather than put to death.Yes I know its an existance life he lives but is it humane? Nope. Just let it be known there is a Guards meeting at Para for 30mins and opps a specific door may have been left unlocked. No killing but fucking up is fine. Repeat that every 4 or 5days for a month or so. Then dump him in the main street of Sydney. A few hours later tell the Aussie cops what has happened.
We get a Twofor that way. 1 is saving all the wages of the dedicated team who watch him 24/7 as he's trying to top himself. And 2, a good example to Aussies we can 501 as well and be as bigger a cunts as they are while doing it.
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Post by harrytom on Aug 4, 2024 11:09:07 GMT 12
Could just send Brenton Tarrant over there.He will sort it real quick. Why would you say that? Do you aspire to mass murder? Are you happy he killed so many? Why should you and I and possibly your children be spending close to 200k or more to keep him alive? only 33ish so has maybe 50yrs ahead. I am a firm believer of the death penalty. If you are caught in the act,no possible chance of mistaken identity why not have the death penalty. Same with drugs,you get caught selling minimum 20yrs but you name who you are selling for,then reduced sentence and keep going till you get the cook. The cook in my view gets the death sentnce as thats the end result for most users.Unless you are Kieth Richards.
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Post by fish on Aug 4, 2024 11:34:17 GMT 12
Why would you say that? Do you aspire to mass murder? Are you happy he killed so many? Why should you and I and possibly your children be spending close to 200k or more to keep him alive? only 33ish so has maybe 50yrs ahead. I am a firm believer of the death penalty. If you are caught in the act,no possible chance of mistaken identity why not have the death penalty. Same with drugs,you get caught selling minimum 20yrs but you name who you are selling for,then reduced sentence and keep going till you get the cook. The cook in my view gets the death sentnce as thats the end result for most users.Unless you are Kieth Richards. I took your line "just send mass murderer over, he will sort it out" as suggesting you think all people that aren't white or follow your world views should be shot dead in the street, that what mass murderer did was good and you'd be happy if that happened again. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, is that what you meant? The death penalty question is completely unrelated. Personally, I think it is a far greater punishment keeping him alive. No social interaction for the rest of your life. No one to talk to. No news of the outside world. No hope of release. For him death would be the easy way out, and the only thing in his life to look forward to. On the cost thing, given what he did, I have zero issue with paying for justice. On the drugs thing, the whole issue with drugs, all recreational drugs are that they are illegal. If they were manufactured in a pharmaceutical plant with high quality, pure (not cut worming pills or meth), and of known dose / strength, there would be zero crime or criminality around it. Sure there will be some health issues for the person taking the drugs, but nothing different from booze, smokes, vapes or prescription drugs. BUT, if you took drugs off gangs, what would the gangs have to do? Make school lunches? Decriminalise it, commercialise it, tax it and take it off the gangs, remove all the intimidation, getting people hooked etc. I don't care what you do in your own house, as long as it doesn't affect me. That, and the only thing Merica's war on drugs achieved is keeping the price up, so it is far more profitable for those involved.
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Post by harrytom on Aug 4, 2024 11:52:15 GMT 12
Why should you and I and possibly your children be spending close to 200k or more to keep him alive? only 33ish so has maybe 50yrs ahead. I am a firm believer of the death penalty. If you are caught in the act,no possible chance of mistaken identity why not have the death penalty. Same with drugs,you get caught selling minimum 20yrs but you name who you are selling for,then reduced sentence and keep going till you get the cook. The cook in my view gets the death sentnce as thats the end result for most users.Unless you are Kieth Richards. I took your line "just send mass murderer over, he will sort it out" as suggesting you think all people that aren't white or follow your world views should be shot dead in the street, that what mass murderer did was good and you'd be happy if that happened again. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, is that what you meant? The death penalty question is completely unrelated. Personally, I think it is a far greater punishment keeping him alive. No social interaction for the rest of your life. No one to talk to. No news of the outside world. No hope of release. For him death would be the easy way out, and the only thing in his life to look forward to. On the cost thing, given what he did, I have zero issue with paying for justice. On the drugs thing, the whole issue with drugs, all recreational drugs are that they are illegal. If they were manufactured in a pharmaceutical plant with high quality, pure (not cut worming pills or meth), and of known dose / strength, there would be zero crime or criminality around it. Sure there will be some health issues for the person taking the drugs, but nothing different from booze, smokes, vapes or prescription drugs. BUT, if you took drugs off gangs, what would the gangs have to do? Make school lunches? Decriminalise it, commercialise it, tax it and take it off the gangs, remove all the intimidation, getting people hooked etc. I don't care what you do in your own house, as long as it doesn't affect me. That, and the only thing Merica's war on drugs achieved is keeping the price up, so it is far more profitable for those involved. We are going to have different views on mass murder. Yes what he did here was unspeakable crime,but then if you read deeply enough in to those who believe in the quran and follow what it suggests we will not survive,slowly but surely there is a under current happening here and around the world. Brenton was not acting alone but for another under world which has gone real deep with silence. Look at Israel. Bombing the fuck out of palistine yet the israeli jews were up in arms about Hitler and his death camps. So who was or is on the right track?wipe the jews or wipe out Humus will killing lots of innocent Palestine's. Now just wait for Lebanon to retaliate. Glad I am to old join the forces
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Post by muzled on Aug 5, 2024 8:38:56 GMT 12
Rumour has it this Jeremy Coyne guy knows a bit about science. www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/08/no_we_should_not_teach_gods_cause_earthquakes.htmlBiologist Jerry Coyne writes quoting Geonet: The Alpine Fault is the longest naturally forming straight line on earth. It marks the meeting of two large tectonic plates and has formed over millions of years, stretching longer, lifting our landscape up out of the ocean, and creating the peaks of Kā Tiritiri o te Moana (Southern Alps) with every large earthquake it generates.
According to Ngāi Tahu creation stories, earthquakes are caused by Rūaumoko, the son of Ranginui (the Sky Father) and his wife Papatūanuku (the Earth Mother). Māori have experienced rū whenua, which means ‘the shaking of the land’ for centuries.
Science tells us that Rūaumoko rumbles the Alpine Fault about every 300 years, and the last time was in 1717.
So a NZ Government organisation is telling people that a godling rumbles the Alpine Fault. Coyne points out: Dragging in Māori religion not only doesn’t add anything to the prediction of earthquakes, but is likely to confuse students who think that religious mythology is inherent in this prediction. What on earth can it mean to say that “Science tells us that Rūaumoko rumbles the Alpine Fault about every 300 years. . “? That is simply a flat-out lie. The pressures on the tectonic plates makes them slip roughly once every 300 years. It’s not due to the actions of a god who decides to rumble the earth about every 300 years (does he get bored?).
It is a disservice—in fact, an insult—to geologists to add to their science the idea that gods are shaking the earth. It is an embarrassment to New Zealand’s government that they are more or less forced to mix indigenous myths with science to pretend that they can reinforce each other. And that pressure comes from trying to sacralize the indigenous people and satisfy, so they think, are the demands of the 1840 Treaty of Waitangi. But that treaty says nothing about indigenous ways of knowing being made coequal to modern science.
Yes, indigenous knowledge may be a useful addition to some limited scientific endeavors, but this is not one of them. Get the gods out of geology!
This could be taught in social studies or religious studies, but should not be taught in geology.
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Post by fish on Aug 5, 2024 9:20:28 GMT 12
Rumour has it this Jeremy Coyne guy knows a bit about science. www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/08/no_we_should_not_teach_gods_cause_earthquakes.htmlBiologist Jerry Coyne writes quoting Geonet: The Alpine Fault is the longest naturally forming straight line on earth. It marks the meeting of two large tectonic plates and has formed over millions of years, stretching longer, lifting our landscape up out of the ocean, and creating the peaks of Kā Tiritiri o te Moana (Southern Alps) with every large earthquake it generates.
According to Ngāi Tahu creation stories, earthquakes are caused by Rūaumoko, the son of Ranginui (the Sky Father) and his wife Papatūanuku (the Earth Mother). Māori have experienced rū whenua, which means ‘the shaking of the land’ for centuries.
Science tells us that Rūaumoko rumbles the Alpine Fault about every 300 years, and the last time was in 1717.
So a NZ Government organisation is telling people that a godling rumbles the Alpine Fault. Coyne points out: Dragging in Māori religion not only doesn’t add anything to the prediction of earthquakes, but is likely to confuse students who think that religious mythology is inherent in this prediction. What on earth can it mean to say that “Science tells us that Rūaumoko rumbles the Alpine Fault about every 300 years. . “? That is simply a flat-out lie. The pressures on the tectonic plates makes them slip roughly once every 300 years. It’s not due to the actions of a god who decides to rumble the earth about every 300 years (does he get bored?).
It is a disservice—in fact, an insult—to geologists to add to their science the idea that gods are shaking the earth. It is an embarrassment to New Zealand’s government that they are more or less forced to mix indigenous myths with science to pretend that they can reinforce each other. And that pressure comes from trying to sacralize the indigenous people and satisfy, so they think, are the demands of the 1840 Treaty of Waitangi. But that treaty says nothing about indigenous ways of knowing being made coequal to modern science.
Yes, indigenous knowledge may be a useful addition to some limited scientific endeavors, but this is not one of them. Get the gods out of geology!
This could be taught in social studies or religious studies, but should not be taught in geology. My boy thinks the world was created by a tree pushing its parents apart. Complete nonsense. When I hit up one of the treachers (family friend) she explained they are not allowed to call those stories myths or legends in fear of offending people who believe that was how the world was created. Apparently once when they explained what a myth was, some kids father came into the school going nuts that the school was lying to his child. TPM type of guy apparently.
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