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Post by ComfortZone on Sept 19, 2022 20:44:35 GMT 12
likewise with CZ, she came to me with a marinised VW Golf diesel which I did not exactly see eye to eye with. When I decided to re-engine of course put it on TMe, guy from Christchurch did a deal with me. The engine was still in CZ at the time and I offered to show it running to anyone he wanted to send. He had some deal to get it shipped on the coastal freighter, last I saw it was dropping it off at Onehungha Wharf. CZ also had a kiwi made Trident controllable pitch prop that I did not like, Dave, the guy from Whakatane who used to build the long skinny steel Birdsalls bought that from me. This weekend's achievement was testing the new (used) ride-on mower on the sloping parts of the property. It is an Italian Grillo. Previous house owner recommended it saying "it's Italian and quite reliable", my response being "those are not words you would normally use in the same sentence"
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Post by sabre on Sept 19, 2022 21:18:08 GMT 12
My thinking is that the outboard will be heaps easier and cheaper to service in the long run. Also the 2 cylinder yanmar was a bloody tight fit that made it a hassle to do any maintanance on. My hull shape allows it to be set up so the prop will be in the same place so I don't think there will be much or any performance loss. I will also gain some very useable space that will be filled with a large lithium battery and a slide out freezer. It wasn't an easy or quick decision given that the diesel is a good motor.. if it was 40yrs old it would be a no brainer.. I sold a 35 yr old diesel for $3k. In full working order, with a few new parts on it. Was 38 Hp though. Had two guys who were keen on it. Advertised it whilst still in the boat so people could test drive it easily. There is a real market for people who's donk has packed up, their boat isn't worth putting a new engine into, but they really want a replacement donk so they can keep using their boat. I don't know much about the fuel costs of outboards, but I just changed the oil in my Beta 35 and I'm traumatised. 7.5 l of oil, 10 l barrel was $100. Can't remember the filter cost, as I have a stash of them on the boat, but yes, annual maintenance of my donk now needs some financial planning. HE anode needs changing every 6 months. Think they are about $25, and the HE needs to come out regularly for a de-scale, which is a new set of O rings and some Barnacle Buster or Rydelime. (Will try Rydelime next as Barnacle Buster is 3 times the price). Still, cheaper than getting a mechanic to service the car. I assume you've got a 4 stroke OB? If you want to sell your donk for a good price, I do recommend setting it up so you can run it, and people can come and look at it running. Bolt the engine mounts to a pallet or some old bearers. Connect a battery to the alternator and starter motor, and obviously a little fuel can, and off you go. Yeah the plan is to set it up on a pallet running. Should be quite simple. Taking potential buyers for a test motor isn't an option currently with the boat being about 50km from the coast. The condition and hours, I suspect, should give most buyers peace of mind. Replaced with a fourstroke 10hp. I hope it will do the job because they are cheap enough to replace every 3 or 4 years. I will soon swap it out for a 15hp if I'm not happy with it though.
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Post by fish on Sept 19, 2022 21:30:52 GMT 12
I sold a 35 yr old diesel for $3k. In full working order, with a few new parts on it. Was 38 Hp though. Had two guys who were keen on it. Advertised it whilst still in the boat so people could test drive it easily. There is a real market for people who's donk has packed up, their boat isn't worth putting a new engine into, but they really want a replacement donk so they can keep using their boat. I don't know much about the fuel costs of outboards, but I just changed the oil in my Beta 35 and I'm traumatised. 7.5 l of oil, 10 l barrel was $100. Can't remember the filter cost, as I have a stash of them on the boat, but yes, annual maintenance of my donk now needs some financial planning. HE anode needs changing every 6 months. Think they are about $25, and the HE needs to come out regularly for a de-scale, which is a new set of O rings and some Barnacle Buster or Rydelime. (Will try Rydelime next as Barnacle Buster is 3 times the price). Still, cheaper than getting a mechanic to service the car. I assume you've got a 4 stroke OB? If you want to sell your donk for a good price, I do recommend setting it up so you can run it, and people can come and look at it running. Bolt the engine mounts to a pallet or some old bearers. Connect a battery to the alternator and starter motor, and obviously a little fuel can, and off you go. Yeah the plan is to set it up on a pallet running. Should be quite simple. Taking potential buyers for a test motor isn't an option currently with the boat being about 50km from the coast. The condition and hours, I suspect, should give most buyers peace of mind. Replaced with a fourstroke 10hp. I hope it will do the job because they are cheap enough to replace every 3 or 4 years. I will soon swap it out for a 15hp if I'm not happy with it though. Revs and specifics of the propeller will be where the performance comes from. Get the size and pitch of the prop right for the size of boat and target boat speed. You may need to change props more than once to get it right. You can go whole hog with analysis and calculations, or you can just try one and swap it. The joy of having an OB, you can just tilt it up and swap the prop. That could make a fascinating thread all by itself, sizing a prop to match the new motor. I got Dave Geer's Propeller handbook from the library and got mine right first time, but then I actually enjoy reading shit like that. Need to socialise more...
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Post by sabre on Sept 19, 2022 22:01:54 GMT 12
Yeah the plan is to set it up on a pallet running. Should be quite simple. Taking potential buyers for a test motor isn't an option currently with the boat being about 50km from the coast. The condition and hours, I suspect, should give most buyers peace of mind. Replaced with a fourstroke 10hp. I hope it will do the job because they are cheap enough to replace every 3 or 4 years. I will soon swap it out for a 15hp if I'm not happy with it though. Revs and specifics of the propeller will be where the performance comes from. Get the size and pitch of the prop right for the size of boat and target boat speed. You may need to change props more than once to get it right. You can go whole hog with analysis and calculations, or you can just try one and swap it. The joy of having an OB, you can just tilt it up and swap the prop. That could make a fascinating thread all by itself, sizing a prop to match the new motor. I got Dave Geer's Propeller handbook from the library and got mine right first time, but then I actually enjoy reading shit like that. Need to socialise more... My boat is nearly 4t on the travel lift apparently so I took a punt and bought the "lowest" geared, four bladed high thrust prop for it. $200 and they told me I can swap it for the higher pitched model if it's not right. Yeah so easy to do aye.. lift it out of the well, swap props and drop it back in. I know of a guy who has crossed oceans using his 2hp tender motor in a well as his auxillary.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2022 1:47:22 GMT 12
I sold a 35 yr old diesel for $3k. In full working order, with a few new parts on it. Was 38 Hp though. Had two guys who were keen on it. Advertised it whilst still in the boat so people could test drive it easily. There is a real market for people who's donk has packed up, their boat isn't worth putting a new engine into, but they really want a replacement donk so they can keep using their boat. I don't know much about the fuel costs of outboards, but I just changed the oil in my Beta 35 and I'm traumatised. 7.5 l of oil, 10 l barrel was $100. Can't remember the filter cost, as I have a stash of them on the boat, but yes, annual maintenance of my donk now needs some financial planning. HE anode needs changing every 6 months. Think they are about $25, and the HE needs to come out regularly for a de-scale, which is a new set of O rings and some Barnacle Buster or Rydelime. (Will try Rydelime next as Barnacle Buster is 3 times the price). Still, cheaper than getting a mechanic to service the car. I assume you've got a 4 stroke OB? If you want to sell your donk for a good price, I do recommend setting it up so you can run it, and people can come and look at it running. Bolt the engine mounts to a pallet or some old bearers. Connect a battery to the alternator and starter motor, and obviously a little fuel can, and off you go. Yeah the plan is to set it up on a pallet running. Should be quite simple. Taking potential buyers for a test motor isn't an option currently with the boat being about 50km from the coast. The condition and hours, I suspect, should give most buyers peace of mind. Replaced with a fourstroke 10hp. I hope it will do the job because they are cheap enough to replace every 3 or 4 years. I will soon swap it out for a 15hp if I'm not happy with it though. cheap enough to replace 3 to 4 yrs?? hope you didnt get a parsun?? Did look at swapping a diesel out and putting a outboard on a cav 26ft,but the fuel required to motor back from kawau to panmure was more than I thought,then comes charging batteries issue,being in well will give better drive than transom hung.
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Post by sabre on Sept 20, 2022 7:16:48 GMT 12
Yeah the plan is to set it up on a pallet running. Should be quite simple. Taking potential buyers for a test motor isn't an option currently with the boat being about 50km from the coast. The condition and hours, I suspect, should give most buyers peace of mind. Replaced with a fourstroke 10hp. I hope it will do the job because they are cheap enough to replace every 3 or 4 years. I will soon swap it out for a 15hp if I'm not happy with it though. cheap enough to replace 3 to 4 yrs?? hope you didnt get a parsun?? Did look at swapping a diesel out and putting a outboard on a cav 26ft,but the fuel required to motor back from kawau to panmure was more than I thought,then comes charging batteries issue,being in well will give better drive than transom hung. I got a new old stock Evinrude which is actually a Tohatsu/Mercury apparently. Very nearly pushed go on a new Honda 15hp but thought I would give the 10 a go due to the cost savings. Fuel consumption is probably the only negative to swapping but not a major. I expect around 3-3.5L an hr at 3/4 throttle (4.5L@WOT) The way I intend to use the boat over the next 3-5 years means that is more than acceptable. I'm quite a big fan of hoisting the big white things and using them for propulsion. I took a tonne of diesel with me when I sailed up to the BOI a couple of summers ago and it nearly all came back with me. I would never have an outboard on the transom unless it is for sheltered waters. Yes no charging at all off this engine but I have no high power draw equipment. My anchor winch is an Armstrong model. I currently have 150W of solar and looking to add another 200W. Along with a large lithium battery I don't see any issues with power supply.
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Post by armchairadmiral on Sept 20, 2022 8:34:13 GMT 12
HT is correct re Parsun o/b.I visited their factory in China. They had 3 brands...all the same.Parsun,Sail & one other (can't remember) it was so forgetable. The factory was unbelievably basic & manufacture process worse. Best bit was packaging,very flash. They test ran them in an old bath. Hope someone can come on here and tell me they are the world's best but from what I saw rowing would be more reliable.
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Post by Dirty den on Sept 20, 2022 12:21:09 GMT 12
Petrol on boats... Why??? your mad!
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Post by sabre on Sept 20, 2022 12:41:58 GMT 12
Petrol on boats... Why??? your mad! Can you explain your logic? I have a diesel 4wd and a petrol car. I don't feel anymore at risk of explosion when driving the car...
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Post by sabre on Sept 20, 2022 12:49:49 GMT 12
There are literally hundreds of thousands of recreational boats in NZ. The vast majority of them powered by petrol outboards...
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Post by ComfortZone on Sept 20, 2022 13:45:28 GMT 12
HT is correct re Parsun o/b.I visited their factory in China. They had 3 brands...all the same.Parsun,Sail & one other (can't remember) it was so forgetable. The factory was unbelievably basic & manufacture process worse. Best bit was packaging,very flash. They test ran them in an old bath. Hope someone can come on here and tell me they are the world's best but from what I saw rowing would be more reliable. I understand they are basically old Yamahas reverse engineered by the Chinese
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Post by armchairadmiral on Sept 20, 2022 15:24:14 GMT 12
Thx 4 that CZ. They manufactured everything on site so no Japanese input in the making. I see nothing wrong with petrol. Lots of trailer sailers,930's,N 30's. The old Ford 8's & Ford 10's were remarkably smooth, plenty of power & easy to fix vs the Listers Yanmar & Bukh diesels that shook the boat to bits. Remember the Vire...great little 7 hp petrol Finnish motor and very light. Stuart Turners too.Petrol just requires more awareness
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2022 15:58:02 GMT 12
HT is correct re Parsun o/b.I visited their factory in China. They had 3 brands...all the same.Parsun,Sail & one other (can't remember) it was so forgetable. The factory was unbelievably basic & manufacture process worse. Best bit was packaging,very flash. They test ran them in an old bath. Hope someone can come on here and tell me they are the world's best but from what I saw rowing would be more reliable. "waterman" another Chinese motor. Yes copy of a Yamaha but would you risk it?? can get a 60 hp 4 stroke parsun for $9k Yamaha 60hp $13k 700hrs and still good.Doubt a parsan would last 300hrs.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2022 16:05:58 GMT 12
cheap enough to replace 3 to 4 yrs?? hope you didnt get a parsun?? Did look at swapping a diesel out and putting a outboard on a cav 26ft,but the fuel required to motor back from kawau to panmure was more than I thought,then comes charging batteries issue,being in well will give better drive than transom hung. I got a new old stock Evinrude which is actually a Tohatsu/Mercury apparently. Very nearly pushed go on a new Honda 15hp but thought I would give the 10 a go due to the cost savings. Fuel consumption is probably the only negative to swapping but not a major. I expect around 3-3.5L an hr at 3/4 throttle (4.5L@WOT) The way I intend to use the boat over the next 3-5 years means that is more than acceptable. I'm quite a big fan of hoisting the big white things and using them for propulsion. I took a tonne of diesel with me when I sailed up to the BOI a couple of summers ago and it nearly all came back with me. I would never have an outboard on the transom unless it is for sheltered waters. Yes no charging at all off this engine but I have no high power draw equipment. My anchor winch is an Armstrong model. I currently have 150W of solar and looking to add another 200W. Along with a large lithium battery I don't see any issues with power supply. Not sure that solar panel would produce enough to top up batteries after use of anchor winch.You dont use winch when motor not going so why would you think solar can do it?? Your old 2gm yanmar would burn less 2lt hr + warms the boat up in winter. Question you may need to ask yourself.Would you of brought the yacht if it had a outboard??
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Post by armchairadmiral on Sept 20, 2022 16:37:59 GMT 12
Question is which is least in a chilly bin going up coast? A diesel thumping away or outboard in cockpit ? Each have upside and downside. Thx HT .Waterman resonates with me as that 3rd brand of Parsun. No contest with Yamaha at twice
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