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Post by armchairadmiral on Nov 10, 2022 7:25:25 GMT 12
Fuel rationing next step. Followed by get stuffed from oil companies. They just don't need to be held to ransom by a little bimbo twit. The oil companies have got something NZ wants. NZ has nothing they want. Perfect market storm...pay up or else. Plus a strategic gem ..closing NZ refinery. Yes yes I know it was old,outdated,worn out etc.But I'll warrant NZ ingenuity could have kept it running to process NZ oil.Which would soon be forthcoming once imports stopped
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Post by fish on Nov 10, 2022 10:14:30 GMT 12
Fuel rationing next step. Followed by get stuffed from oil companies. They just don't need to be held to ransom by a little bimbo twit. The oil companies have got something NZ wants. NZ has nothing they want. Perfect market storm...pay up or else. Plus a strategic gem ..closing NZ refinery. Yes yes I know it was old,outdated,worn out etc.But I'll warrant NZ ingenuity could have kept it running to process NZ oil.Which would soon be forthcoming once imports stopped But do you think the Labour Maori Caucus can spell 'energy security'? We know the greens can't. |
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Post by em on Nov 10, 2022 11:32:02 GMT 12
Jokes aside I recommend solar panels and an EV, cause this govt is going to seriously fuck petrol / diesel supply.…..
That’s a similar scenario to buying a loss making refinery . We have total energy security here at our house , a fairly modest system that cost 30k . To run an average middle/middle upper class household would be more to the tune of 50-70k . How many of you guys would do that when you can buy another spa pool or heat pump for 5k-10k and keep the extra fridge in the garage if you stay on the grid .
Same goes for a loss making refinery , why keep it running when you can buy fuel from up around the corner from Aussie and stop the haemorrhage of 200 odd million per annum .
As for the Govt buying a loss making refinery and trying to run it …remember the railways and Toll holdings ? . Or what about Rio Tinto being propped up by the Govt to smelt Aluminium
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Post by armchairadmiral on Nov 10, 2022 15:06:15 GMT 12
Jokes aside I recommend solar panels and an EV, cause this govt is going to seriously fuck petrol / diesel supply.….. That’s a similar scenario to buying a loss making refinery . We have total energy security here at our house , a fairly modest system that cost 30k . To run an average middle/middle upper class household would be more to the tune of 50-70k . How many of you guys would do that when you can buy another spa pool or heat pump for 5k-10k and keep the extra fridge in the garage if you stay on the grid . Same goes for a loss making refinery , why keep it running when you can buy fuel from up around the corner from Aussie and stop the haemorrhage of 200 odd million per annum . As for the Govt buying a loss making refinery and trying to run it …remember the railways and Toll holdings ? . Or what about Rio Tinto being propped up by the Govt to smelt Aluminium To provide security that will enable NZ to process its own oil....which will soon become available if /when imports cease. Enough to keep supply chain going even if we're riding horses |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2022 16:22:54 GMT 12
roughly 4.5 million vehicles registered in NZ,Now convert those to electric + trucks + tractors. Where the fuck is the power coming from?? The old Mardens refinery maybe become a solar farm with batteries to power 15,ooo homes but the supply would run out after 4hrs in winter.
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Post by em on Nov 10, 2022 17:07:43 GMT 12
roughly 4.5 million vehicles registered in NZ,Now convert those to electric + trucks + tractors. Where the fuck is the power coming from?? The old Mardens refinery maybe become a solar farm with batteries to power 15,ooo homes but the supply would run out after 4hrs in winter. Buy fuel from Singapore without any Govt fuckery on the sidelines |
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Post by em on Nov 10, 2022 17:10:28 GMT 12
Jokes aside I recommend solar panels and an EV, cause this govt is going to seriously fuck petrol / diesel supply.….. That’s a similar scenario to buying a loss making refinery . We have total energy security here at our house , a fairly modest system that cost 30k . To run an average middle/middle upper class household would be more to the tune of 50-70k . How many of you guys would do that when you can buy another spa pool or heat pump for 5k-10k and keep the extra fridge in the garage if you stay on the grid . Same goes for a loss making refinery , why keep it running when you can buy fuel from up around the corner from Aussie and stop the haemorrhage of 200 odd million per annum . As for the Govt buying a loss making refinery and trying to run it …remember the railways and Toll holdings ? . Or what about Rio Tinto being propped up by the Govt to smelt Aluminium To provide security that will enable NZ to process its own oil....which will soon become available if /when imports cease. Enough to keep supply chain going even if we're riding horses Yeah I thought that too but fish reckons the $$$ are way beyond any NZ company’s to run oil rigs ….then there’s the small matter of an inefficient refinery . Singapore has the luxury of exploiting Indian workers to keep their refining costs down . |
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Post by fish on Nov 10, 2022 19:12:28 GMT 12
Not necessarily the $$$ but the knowledge. The intellectual property. Sure you still need $$$, but the risk goes through the roof if you don't know what you are doing. Especially at the investment decision making phase.
And you don't need to make petrol out of oil. There are literally a million things you can make. Think the Methanex gas to methanol plant in Waitara.
Polyethylene is made from resin stock which is made from crude oil. The main thing with natural resources like oil is to use it to generate forex revenue. If you have something that someone else wants, you can sell it to buy the petrol that someone else already has. Diversify away from just agriculture and tourism.
Even CO2 is made from crude oil apparently, as we have learnt now the refinery has closed down...
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Post by Cantab on Nov 10, 2022 19:28:46 GMT 12
Ironically for the greenies, Co2 is a by product of the huge, recently refurbished, hydrogen generator at the refinery, it used natural gas and steam, not crude oil as such.
Don't need the hydrogen now so no Co2 either.
If you think diesel got expensive it's got nothing on the price rise of Co2.
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Post by em on Nov 11, 2022 7:37:38 GMT 12
Ironically for the greenies, Co2 is a by product of the huge, recently refurbished, hydrogen generator at the refinery, it used natural gas and steam, not crude oil as such. Don't need the hydrogen now so no Co2 either. If you think diesel got expensive it's got nothing on the price rise of Co2. The breweries and Suntory should band together and buy the hydrogen generator |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2022 11:03:13 GMT 12
Ironically for the greenies, Co2 is a by product of the huge, recently refurbished, hydrogen generator at the refinery, it used natural gas and steam, not crude oil as such. Don't need the hydrogen now so no Co2 either. If you think diesel got expensive it's got nothing on the price rise of Co2. The breweries and Suntory should band together and buy the hydrogen generator very smart idea |
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Post by Fogg on Nov 13, 2022 16:22:03 GMT 12
Today my mother couldn’t find any fuel on the Whangsparaoa peninsula - apparently all closed or run out?
Eventually filled up in Orewa.
Fish???
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Post by fish on Nov 13, 2022 20:17:22 GMT 12
Today my mother couldn’t find any fuel on the Whangsparaoa peninsula - apparently all closed or run out? Eventually filled up in Orewa. Fish??? Yes, my fault, I've got all the fuel stashed in 20l jerry cans in my shed. Seriously though, really? There are three gas stations on the Peninsular. A little z at Manly (on Whanga's rd). a Big Z on the main drag, I'd describe it as Stanmore Bay. I know they have been doing major forecourt works, i.e. replacing or re-building their tanks. So that is likely to cause some legit disruption. I've not been passed there for a while so no idea if that is still going on or not. There is a Mobil on Red Beach. Being a different brand, I'd be surprised if they had the same supply issues as Z. And a BP and an even bigger Z on the Hibiscus Coast Highway at Silverdale (technically probably not Whangas), with another BP in Orewa. I've not heard anything about fuel supply issues, but then we are running the PHEV and the 1200 cc hybrid, and I do have a wee quantity in my shed just in case, so easily not on our radar. If your Mum was just driving the main Rd (Whangaparaoa Rd) and the big Z was closed for renovations it would certainly appear the whole Peninsular was out of gas. |
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Post by fish on Nov 13, 2022 20:20:56 GMT 12
This article sums up the Govts schizophrenic approach to their policies. It spells out that a large part of govt WANT fuel to be expensive, and they WANT Petrol cars to go away. Kind of refreshing to see someone call a spade a spade on the issue. Confirmation there is an official war on cars. Opinion - The government announcement that the Commerce Commission will soon have the power to regulate wholesale petrol and diesel prices might be good news for cash-strapped motorists, but it's arguably a retrograde step in the fight against climate change. While there is some scepticism about whether the commission will ever act to enforce fuel price caps, any move to make carbon-emitting vehicles more affordable must come at the expense of efforts to encourage people out of cars and into more sustainable modes of transport. Making matters more complicated, the policy announcement happened against the backdrop of the critical COP27 climate meeting in Egypt, and the draft UN report warning of soon-unreachable global warming targets. The move suggests conflicting government priorities at best. Aside from being counter to other plans to mitigate climate change, there is plenty of evidence that price caps can often cause outcomes opposite to those intended. Sometimes, leaving it to the market can be the better option. www.rnz.co.nz/news/on-the-inside/478656/why-giving-the-commerce-commission-the-power-to-set-fair-fuel-prices-is-unfair-on-nz-s-climate-targets |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2022 0:25:57 GMT 12
Remember fuel prices will rise in January when the excise/road tax is reinstated. Diesel shouldnt be the price it is due to being one the first products when refined.
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