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Post by Fogg on May 4, 2023 12:09:57 GMT 12
He came ashore at Campbell’s Bay at (unofficially) 99.1km. Regardless, it’s a new record because it’s well over 80.4 (the old Taupo record).
Narrowneck was the original plan and would have been 100km if he has swim the exact rhumb line set beforehand. But he deviated from that in a few places as his support crew searched for calmer water and most favourable currents eg Tiri Chl and north shore areas.
I had a couple of messages from him this morning - he spent the night in hospital as a precautionary measure which I think was a wise idea. And he’s still feeling a bit rough this morning but hoping to go home later and enjoy some R&R.
And I was surprised that he told me he recognised Fogg when I turned up yesterday in the Tiri Channel and appreciated the support. It’s nice to know that the presence of another supporter even registered with him in those confusing seas and after 24hrs of non-stop swimming... 😊
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Post by Fogg on May 4, 2023 12:11:53 GMT 12
I felt like a swim this morning but Safe Swim says it would be hazardous to my health because it’s been raining again 🙄
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Post by fish on May 4, 2023 13:57:23 GMT 12
Do you know how long it takes to ratify the distance and the record?
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Post by Fogg on May 4, 2023 14:36:57 GMT 12
No I don’t. But I know they were carrying at least 2 independent observers on the support crew who were monitoring all sorts of things so it was quite a detailed process to ensure it complied with the swimming rules.
I’m purely guessing here but I could well imagine the observers have to send some kind of post-swim report to the governing body with all their observed data in it and wait for their confirmation that it was a fully compliant swim. And only then officially certify the distance.
In other words it’s probably less of an issue with knowing the distance itself but more about confirming it was swum compliantly.
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Post by harrytom on May 4, 2023 17:23:25 GMT 12
Top arks to him for doing the swim. But someone with far more intelligence than me please explain how did it raise awareness of the state of the gulf?? Thats why he did right?? But media seemed to missed the point of it.
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Post by Fogg on May 4, 2023 18:09:42 GMT 12
I think that’s a totally fair question which I’ve asked Live Ocean themselves.
For Jono I think there’s a strong personal competitive motive ie. as an ultramarathon swimmer who has already achieved the ‘triple crown’ of open-water swimming, this was the next challenge he wanted to pull off, to set a new NZ record - which he did.
And associating his attempt with Live Ocean was (potentially) helpful for both parties to achieve increased awareness. But what, if anything, has changed for Live Ocean? Well, I for one was not even aware of their existence and we’re talking about here on this little forum of boaties with a strong interest in the Gulf.
And I’ve spent an hour browsing their website, learning more about what they are trying to achieve, and sent them an email asking for more specific ways I might be able to help.
But in terms of wider awareness or impact, I’m not sure.
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Post by harrytom on May 4, 2023 19:34:24 GMT 12
I think that’s a totally fair question which I’ve asked Live Ocean themselves. For Jono I think there’s a strong personal competitive motive ie. as an ultramarathon swimmer who has already achieved the ‘triple crown’ of open-water swimming, this was the next challenge he wanted to pull off, to set a new NZ record - which he did. And associating his attempt with Live Ocean was (potentially) helpful for both parties to achieve increased awareness. But what, if anything, has changed for Live Ocean? Well, I for one was not even aware of their existence and we’re talking about here on this little forum of boaties with a strong interest in the Gulf. And I’ve spent an hour browsing their website, learning more about what they are trying to achieve, and sent them an email asking for more specific ways I might be able to help. But in terms of wider awareness or impact, I’m not sure. Thanks "Fogg" checked out LIVE ocean and just repeating what many others have called for,but no real solutions,Yes to rebuild kelp beds,but until mpi/fisheries allow devastation of kina ,kelp cannot re establish itself. Buts it not just kina,pollution as well. I keep coming back to my youth in Devonport and seeing kelp beds. Naval base to North head along the foreshore,recent trip all but gone,now thats water pollution.So we need to make changes onland first for a follow on effect to take place in the oceans.
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Post by GO30 on May 4, 2023 19:41:11 GMT 12
He came ashore at Campbell’s Bay at (unofficially) 99.1km. Regardless, it’s a new record because it’s well over 80.4 (the old Taupo record). Narrowneck was the original plan and would have been 100km if he has swim the exact rhumb line set beforehand. But he deviated from that in a few places as his support crew searched for calmer water and most favourable currents eg Tiri Chl and north shore areas. Ah, so that's where the Narrow Neck came in.
99.1 or 100, makes no difference to me.
Taupo verses the Gulf. The lake would have advantages but then so would the Gulf. I'd pick the Gulf as a harder option though, especially with the weather he had.
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Post by Fogg on May 5, 2023 12:16:45 GMT 12
I haven’t asked him but I suspect the Gulf might be preferable to Taupo due to (1) extra buoyancy of salt water and (2) the surface stream effect running in his favour from a strong following wind / waves / swell.
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Post by fish on May 5, 2023 12:39:09 GMT 12
I haven’t asked him but I suspect the Gulf might be preferable to Taupo due to (1) extra buoyancy of salt water and (2) the surface stream effect running in his favour from a strong following wind / waves / swell. Isn't Lake Taupo water temp about 9 degs, compared with about 18/19 for the Gulf at the moment? A mate of mates tried doing 100km in Taupo and got dragged out by his support team. Hypothermic.
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Post by Fogg on May 5, 2023 13:24:42 GMT 12
I think Taupo is about 16-17C right now but gets down closer to 10C in winter. But warmest time (Feb) is the “summer swim season” where it’s around 20C. So depends when you do it.
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Post by Fogg on Jun 3, 2023 1:47:31 GMT 12
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Post by Fogg on Jun 3, 2023 7:00:09 GMT 12
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Post by harrytom on Jun 3, 2023 7:16:30 GMT 12
I am still missing how his swim is raising awareness of the plight of the gulf. Many advocacy groups have raised the same issue for many yrs. Govt/mpi dont care,maybe they do?? but as long as other groups,comms fishing,tip millions in to party pockets there will be no change. Legasea have put up a new F/B post on how govt to help inshore fisheries with a 40 mill payout towards updating aging vessels. Says it allreally. LegaSea - More Fish In The Water nsertoSdoplfi0hg03fa1ihfm32c0418t3igum51ig61g4m22t8mcgchla41 · In the midst of a crippling cost of living crisis, is it right for the government to be spending our tax money on buying bottom trawlers? Fisheries New Zealand's Draft Fisheries Industry Transformation Plan is out for consultation, but the government needs to know that we, the public, object to having more and bigger trawlers working up and down our coastline. Already there are people concerned that the plan fails to address the damage caused by bulk harvesting, bottom trawling and excessive export of our dwindling fish populations. Now the government is expecting the public to prop up an industry that is unable to support itself. You can have your say here: legasea.co.nz/.../industry-transformation-plan/Transformation of fishing would mean phasing out destructive bottom trawling - a method that ravages our seafloor and its delicate ecosystems. In this plan, there is no phase-out deadline. It also proposes that taxpayers invest more than $40 million in replacing small-scale, fishing boats with larger, more powerful ones, enabling increased industrial fishing near our shores, meaning fewer local jobs and making it harder for people to catch fish to put on the table. And the salt in the wound is that over 90% of our landed fish is exported, leaving everyday Kiwis grappling with even more food insecurity. In the midst of the worst cost of living crisis in recent memory, it's time for a more pragmatic solution. It’s time to demand change: The government needs to ban industrial fishing from inshore waters. They also need to buy back the existing quota and lease it to small-scale fishers who can directly sell their catch to the community. This empowers fishers, reduces environmental harm, and ensures affordable food for all. After 37 years, surely if the fishing industry hasn't generated enough profit to upgrade its own fleet, it's high time to replace the failing Quota Management System and reassess how that industry is operated in general. It’s time to let Fisheries Minister Rachel Brooking know that we refuse to subsidise fishing industry costs for new trawl vessels and we demand fundamental industry transformation now!
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Post by armchairadmiral on Jun 3, 2023 7:48:50 GMT 12
Yep...it's long overdue a ban on inshore trawling. Longlines only within 12 mile limit. Like Asia we won't be happy until theres nothing left for anyone. The old 'if I can't have it then nobody's going to have it 'syndrome. And while we're at it reduced limits. Do you really need 7 snapper per person per day. We take one or two a day for 4. More power to Jono. At least he did something oh and bloody hell I see the Minister of Fisheries is another woman. Are there any men left in guvmit? (hipkins doesn't count) No problem if they are the best person for the job but suspect they are the only person available.
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