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Post by Fogg on Aug 22, 2023 17:15:38 GMT 12
Yes I’m hoping that once he’s actually taken delivery (not until 2026 😳) I’ll go for a sail with him on one of my work trips to Europe. Or I might even be living there by then 😊
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Post by muzled on Aug 22, 2023 17:35:56 GMT 12
The only thing in Fogg’s favour wrt a trip to / from the Auckland Islands is speed with 7-9kts being typical range in good conditions. And that is a downside to the Boreals, you're not going anywhere particularly fast. But I love the look of them. Pref the original to the newer fat ass myself. Apparently lots of problems with the curved glass window on the doghouse leaking though. There was a nice Garcia 47 in the cove at xmas, they'd been all over the place. (headed off to Fiordland about xmas day) haiyousailing.wordpress.com/
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Post by sabre on Aug 22, 2023 19:42:17 GMT 12
Its just a wee Raven 26. Nearly finished a top to bottom refit which has taken far too long and cost a silly amount of money. I have strengthened what I thought were all the weak points and modified it a bit. Looking forward to getting some return on all my efforts very soon. Nice solid little boat. I’d rather a small solid boat than a bigger softer one (and there are plenty of those around). Presume you have sone kind of heating solution? Obviously it’s a small cabin volume so doesn’t require a big, expensive installation. Agree. Certainly tough little boats. Encapsulated keel, good ballast ratio and oversized rigging. You would have to do something silly to break it I reckon. I have a 2kw diesel heater mounted in a cockpit locker that I built into the cockpit coaming. Works a treat and utilises space that was unused. 2kw warms it but not so much that the unit itself gets silly hot.
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Post by ComfortZone on Aug 22, 2023 20:04:22 GMT 12
The only thing in Fogg’s favour wrt a trip to / from the Auckland Islands is speed with 7-9kts being typical range in good conditions. And that is a downside to the Boreals, you're not going anywhere particularly fast. But I love the look of them. Pref the original to the newer fat ass myself. Apparently lots of problems with the curved glass window on the doghouse leaking though. There was a nice Garcia 47 in the cove at xmas, they'd been all over the place. (headed off to Fiordland about xmas day) haiyousailing.wordpress.com/The Garcia's are interesting but have abysmal viz from the cockpit and the engine would be a challenge to work on being buried under the cabin sole at the foot of the companionway steps This is paywalled but if you can get access is an interesting comparo of the 2 www.morganscloud.com/category/boat-design-selection/boreal/garcia-exploration-45-compared-to-the-boreal-44-47/this was written comparing the respective interior watch standing positions Visibilty The Boréal has a higher height of eye in relation to the shear line of the boat that results in a better sight angle over the bow than the Garcia. This is important.
Phyllis and I agreed that we would be perfectly comfortable navigating in at least light ice in the Boréal dog house.
I would not dream of doing the same in the Garcia since I could barely see over the bow at the inside watch station in the Garcia.
And this is not just a problem in ice as coastal waters are becoming ever more encumbered with floating hazards like logs that must be avoided, even by strong aluminum boats.
Blind Spots
There is little or no visibility aft from the Garcia forward watch station, unlike the Boréal dog house with its big windows in the aft dog house bulkhead and door.
One criticism I have heard of the Boréal dog house is that when heeled the sidedeck blocks the watch stander’s view to windward, but then again, surely the Garcia will have the same problem.
So a watch stander in the Garcia will need to walk through the entire length of the salon (disturbing the off watch on their way) every ten minutes or so to check blind spots. On the Boréal, that trip is one step. It’s a Sailboat
But even if one is happy with leaving blind quadrants to electronics, these are sailboats, so a trip to the cockpit will need to be made every time the slightest adjustment needs to be made to a sheet or, on the Garcia, even just to take a look at the mainsail trim.
Human nature being what it is, I’m guessing that those adjustments just won’t get made on a Garcia, but will on a Boréal where it’s one step out to the cockpit to do what’s required, and the trim of both main and jib are easily checked without even leaving the dog house.
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Post by fish on Aug 23, 2023 9:24:30 GMT 12
I think the comparison between the Garcia and the Boreal is academic, given that my current boat doesn't have a deck saloon and these two do. My current boat doesn't even have a bimini or a dodger... so if anyone wanted to gift me either a Boreal or a Garcia, I'd happily take it, and spout on social media how great it is...
Question for those with huge bimini's, how do yo see the mainsail to trim it?
As an aside, now I've moved on from the racing malarky I'm going to put the dodger back on. It is a real struggle to get a bimini to work out our boat, but I've got a sun-shade boom tent we use alot in summer. I'm looking at making one out of a waterproof sunbrella type solution died acrylic so I can make an all weather boom tent. I do get a little jealous of these pie boats with huge outdoor seating areas that is covered from rain and squals we get in NZ, especially in that unsettled spring weather. I reckon I can do one that sits over the boom and is robust enough to leave up semi-permanently, possibly even with clears on the sides and a connection to the dodger to make a weather proof gazebo area. I'd have to take it down when sailing. But typically when cruising with the kids we do one sailing voyage there and back and the week or more in between is short motor hops between various bays and beaches.
Combined with my new diesel heater, I reckon a multi day family cruise over the Sept school holidays is fully viable. Esp if we get weather like now and the next few days.
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Post by muzled on Aug 23, 2023 9:47:35 GMT 12
I've subscribed to thier site for several years now, there is some excellent content on there. He's clearly very knowledgable, but man oh man, he sounds like he'd be the most pendantic person this side of the black stump to be on a boat with! Their Adventure 40 is an interesting concept, I'm enjoying following how that goes. www.morganscloud.com/2013/10/10/adventure-40-an-overview/ (not paywalled)
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Post by Fogg on Aug 23, 2023 10:15:10 GMT 12
Question for those with huge bimini's, how do yo see the mainsail to trim it? Usually by having a panel you can unzip around 3 edges and roll back to reveal a clear window giving you a view of the mainsail.
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Post by ComfortZone on Aug 23, 2023 17:39:47 GMT 12
He's clearly very knowledgable, but man oh man, he sounds like he'd be the most pendantic person this side of the black stump to be on a boat with! You know he is half Kiwi? His mother was from NZ. Yes, agree with you about his being pedantic.
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