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Post by Fogg on Dec 11, 2023 13:06:54 GMT 12
There are some usually big beasts on the hardstand at GH this year.
At 15m Fogg is dwarfed by them. I reckon the biggest is 30-35m.
I’ve not seen quite so many at GH at one time even during the pre-Xmas rush.
Are they escaping downtown facilities?
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Post by Fogg on Dec 11, 2023 13:08:22 GMT 12
Yes that’s Fogg’s nose peeking out at the end
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Post by GO30 on Dec 11, 2023 16:48:36 GMT 12
What downtown facilities? Orams don't want little people boats and what little is left can only handle small boats up to 40ft max there abouts.
But things are getting bigger. What as 5.5m 10 years ago is now 6.5-7m.
What's the biggest getting bigger d the cost. We've been flooded by inflatables of all sizes, most slightly flash centre console, for lifting bridles etc. Some get dropping in for templating still with the sale guff on them and the numbers seen on a 3. something is less than I paid for a 80hp tractor complete from decent post rammer on the back.
Interesting to see just how many inflatables, of many assorted brands, are made in the Ukriane. As yet we have found no russians hiding in any lockers nor seen any weapon mounts fitted
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Post by ComfortZone on Dec 11, 2023 18:31:52 GMT 12
There are some usually big beasts on the hardstand at GH this year. At 15m Fogg is dwarfed by them. I reckon the biggest is 30-35m. I’ve not seen quite so many at GH at one time even during the pre-Xmas rush. Are they escaping downtown facilities? but what is not getting any bigger are the bays we anchor in. These things take up alot more space.
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Post by Fogg on Dec 12, 2023 18:52:14 GMT 12
A productive couple of days on the hardstand. Antifoul touch-ups (this is the touch-up year not the full repaint year). Propspeed. Anodes. 3 bronze skin fittings replaced with plastic (including a seized engine cooling intake at the top of the saildrive leg). And a hull polish.
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Post by fish on Dec 12, 2023 19:13:35 GMT 12
There is an article about a boat just like those in this months BNZ. 28t displacement. Standard fuel payload is 4,400l, going up to 6,000l with long range tanks for trans-ocean crossings. Can you imagine putting 4,400l of fuel into a boat? That is something like $10k to fill her up. $15k for the long range capacity, although I'd assume you'd get your own tanker and get it all duty free if you were going offshore. Article is strangely silent on fuel efficiency / mileage. I hate to think what a weekend at Kawau costs in diesel on a boat like that. Wonder what the logistics are of fuelling something like that? What is the storage capacity of the average marina fuel dock? Two boats like that and they'd run out. What does the average road tanker carry? 20,000l? or less?
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Post by Fogg on Dec 12, 2023 19:55:55 GMT 12
When I was on a Palmer Johnson 84 for a while, we needed to fill up in Sydney. We knew we needed about 5 tons of diesel and we had a fuel barge came out to us at anchor and raft up for the transfer. Took a couple of hours.
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Post by dutyfree on Dec 12, 2023 22:09:01 GMT 12
Go fuel in westhaven is where the ferry’s fill. Never seems to be short of diesel.
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Post by sabre on Dec 13, 2023 5:28:36 GMT 12
A productive couple of days on the hardstand. Antifoul touch-ups (this is the touch-up year not the full repaint year). Propspeed. Anodes. 3 bronze skin fittings replaced with plastic (including a seized engine cooling intake at the top of the saildrive leg). And a hull polish. View AttachmentLooking sharp! Can I ask why you replaced the bronze skin fittings with plastic? A lot of people seem to do this and I am confused why. I removed 4 skin fittings from my boat recently.. now only have one skin fitting for the sink. The two bronze ones were solid, as solid as the day they were fitted probably 40yrs ago. I reckon they had another 400yrs of life left in them. The plastic not so much. The fitting for the sink intake used to flex when I turned the seacock on/off.
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Post by ComfortZone on Dec 13, 2023 7:56:44 GMT 12
A productive couple of days on the hardstand. Antifoul touch-ups (this is the touch-up year not the full repaint year). Propspeed. Anodes. 3 bronze skin fittings replaced with plastic (including a seized engine cooling intake at the top of the saildrive leg). And a hull polish. View AttachmentLooking sharp! Can I ask why you replaced the bronze skin fittings with plastic? A lot of people seem to do this and I am confused why. I removed 4 skin fittings from my boat recently.. now only have one skin fitting for the sink. The two bronze ones were solid, as solid as the day they were fitted probably 40yrs ago. I reckon they had another 400yrs of life left in them. The plastic not so much. The fitting for the sink intake used to flex when I turned the seacock on/off. This is a modern problem. Some years ago the ISO standards applicable to European built boats were changed to allow the use of high zinc bronze, other wise known as Brass, for skin fittings and they only required a life of 5 years. Been alot of sinkings and near sinkings as a result www.sail-world.com/Australia/When-skinny-fittings-arent-worth-a-brass-razoo/-97049?source=googlewww.yachtingmonthly.com/gear/seacock-misconceptions-busted-79012fieldhouse-yacht-surveys.com/technical-help/skin-fittings-valves-dezincification/Your skin fittings will be a high grade copper bronze and will likely last almost forever
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Post by sabre on Dec 13, 2023 8:18:52 GMT 12
Thanks for the reasoning behind it. They really did make things to last back in the day didn't they.
My plan was to replace my one remaining bronze skin fitting but after the effort it took to remove the other two I thought what a pointless exercise. Its clearly not going to fail of its own accord and will last a lot longer than anything I replace it with.
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Post by Fogg on Dec 13, 2023 9:31:53 GMT 12
Yes the metal skin fittings and valves are in varying states of decline.
The ones just above the waterline (like shower and WC drains) look like new. But some of the fully underwater units (like toilet intakes and a/c intakes) were looking quite crusty and becoming stiffer to operate. The TruDesign skin fittings & valves seem pretty robust units and not prone to flexing and the most popular choice for plastic.
I think I’ve got about 12 through-hulls in total and now 8/12 are plastic. Next year I’ll probably increase that to 10/12 leaving the last 2 above waterline metal units which seem to have years left in them.
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Post by sabre on Dec 13, 2023 10:30:27 GMT 12
High zinc content skin fittings. I guess they double as anodes... hmmmm
I had a boat builder do a report on my boat a few weeks back. He commented that they had just done a job replacing 16 skin fittings on a euro boat. Prick of a job he reckoned. They even had to dismantle parts of the boat just to get at some of them. I would hate to get the invoice for that..
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Post by fish on Dec 13, 2023 10:38:40 GMT 12
Is there any way to assess the condition of bronze skin fittings? any technical tests or anything? I thought all ours were changed out to plastic, but it turns out it was just the valves and the skin fittings themselves are still original. 40 yr old wooden log, so I'm hoping they are the 'last forever' type and not the modern 'designed to last 5 years type'.
I have 4 total. Can get at all of them, and have the good old wooden pegs tied close by each, but I'd prefer not to go down that path.
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Post by Fogg on Dec 13, 2023 10:59:00 GMT 12
I just got the Brin Wilson guys to examine each one with me when I had lifted out. They seemed to give a pretty fair assessment - the ones I thought looked ok they said were ok. The ones I wasn’t sure about they cleaned and concluded 1 was still ok the other needed replacing.
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