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Post by em on Dec 14, 2023 21:17:27 GMT 12
And the ferries are not??... for ever. I'm sorry, but anyone that thinks you can either tunnel or build a bridge across Cook Straight lacks understanding on many, many levels. The main issue being the cost, the next issues being the trenches, fault lines, geology, weather and distance. Did I mention the cost? If you think building a ferry terminal on a fault line in Welly Harbour is cost prohibitive, try building a bridge or tunnel over the several dozen fault lines between North & South Islands. I think Wayne Brown had an apt discription for that style of thinking |
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Post by fish on Dec 14, 2023 21:20:19 GMT 12
I'm sorry, but anyone that thinks you can either tunnel or build a bridge across Cook Straight lacks understanding on many, many levels. The main issue being the cost, the next issues being the trenches, fault lines, geology, weather and distance. Did I mention the cost? If you think building a ferry terminal on a fault line in Welly Harbour is cost prohibitive, try building a bridge or tunnel over the several dozen fault lines between North & South Islands. Name a tunnel that has collapsed after sn earthquake in NZ. Al thoseceast coast tunnels betwee blenhiem and chch ? No issues other than landslides at one end of one tunnel.. Ferries are costly to buy, maintain and run every year. Bridge would be easy. The chinese build bigger more challenging ones Think about the economic benefits. Are you seriously trying to compare a 20m road tunnel in one piece of solid rock with tunnelling under Cook Straight? With a couple of a dozen fault lines, a massive trench and some of the most complex geology you could possible get? You are talking a distance of over 33 nm / 60 km. Ask yourself this, why are the roads so shit in the Marlborough Sounds? |
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Post by Hugh Jorgan on Dec 14, 2023 21:35:52 GMT 12
Eh! Roads in The sounds v all the 70yo train tunnels south of Blenhiem Unaffected by earthquakes. WtF conparison is that bro
Fishy. Name a tunnel that has collapsed from a earthquake.
And the trench is weĺl south of the tunnel route
There are no fault lines, from memory, on the route from makara or titahi bay to blenhiem. They are south east and norwest
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Post by fish on Dec 14, 2023 21:47:48 GMT 12
Eh! Roads in The sounds v all the 70yo train tunnels south of Blenhiem Unaffected by earthquakes. WtF conparison is that bro Fishy. Name a tunnel that has collapsed from a earthquake. And the trench is weĺl south of the tunnel route There are no fault lines, from memory, on the route from makara or titahi bay to blenhiem. They are south east and norwest OK, you are clearly ignorant of basic geological issues. Lets talk costs. If a tunnel under the Waitemata Harbour (2 or 3 km) and a depth of about 20m was going to cost $56billion, how much do you think a 60km tunnel across Cook Straight will cost? Remember that the iReX project got canned when it got to $3billion. Oh, and given the amount of concrete needed in a Cook Straight tunnel (or bridge) and concrete is a massive greenhouse gas emitter, what do you think the carbon footprint of constructing a Cook Straight crossing would be? |
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Post by DuckMaster on Dec 14, 2023 22:01:27 GMT 12
It's been discussed since the 1900s.
All the experts seem to think a tunnel or bridge would be impossible with our current technology.
We should always listen to the experts they know best. We learned that during COVID.
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Post by harrytom on Dec 14, 2023 22:07:40 GMT 12
Maybe the Govt should put the Cook Straight ferries up for tender. Advertise overseas for a company to supply and run the service?
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Post by DuckMaster on Dec 14, 2023 22:12:39 GMT 12
Maybe the Govt should put the Cook Straight ferries up for tender. Advertise overseas for a company to supply and run the service? The cost seems to be the infrastructure at each end. Not the ferries themselves. |
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Post by em on Dec 15, 2023 4:19:37 GMT 12
Anyone seen the way Greek ferries bowl up to a concrete slab , tie off stern to and drop the ramp and disgorge with minimum fanfare ?
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Post by Hugh Jorgan on Dec 15, 2023 7:15:19 GMT 12
Yip, spent many northern summers travelking betwen Santorini, naxos, paros, mykonos, crete, pathos,... by Greek ferries.
This last summer i had a berth in Kamares, the port of Sifnos, for ten days just watching the large ferries come in, spin around, drop anchor, back up to the slab, two stern lines and boom! The trucks are off, including the one for the island generatorm cars are off, people walk of with the trucks...and everybody just follows the simple insruction of one guy and his finger. .. 30 minutes later they are gone.
I got a video of it. How do i upload it.?
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Post by fish on Dec 15, 2023 8:23:58 GMT 12
Maybe the Govt should put the Cook Straight ferries up for tender. Advertise overseas for a company to supply and run the service? The chatter on the unionist dominated 'ship spotter' pages is exactly that. This is the first step of National selling off the Interisland Line, and probably Kiwirail as well, in another asset sale. Of course said unionists are up in arms already. But looking at the way Straight Shipping / Bluebridge operate without any ball ache and such a mess KiwiRail are in, on first look the idea has merit. |
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Post by muzled on Dec 15, 2023 8:31:40 GMT 12
Just thinking about what the auditor general said about the inzid upgrade programme and shovel ready programme. I'm assuming this comes back to the minister of filth who made these decisions given he was the transport mincer. The same minister that couldn't manage his own shares but was put in charge of 15 billion dollars of our money. And duly fucked it up. Who would have thought that if you can't manage your own life, what chance have you got of managing the country's affairs. Guess it's easier when it's not your money though. What we found
Officials worked hard to meet expectations and provided advice about the risks. At several points, officials advised Ministers of risks to value for money for both the NZUP and the SRP.
Ministers made decisions to progress some NZUP projects even though those projects were not fully scoped or planned. Full business cases were not always available or up to date even when the project’s planning was more advanced, such as for transport projects that were already part of the National Land Transport Programme.
In our view, Ministers did not have enough information to be sure that decisions supported value for money.
The SRP was a largely well-run process, and there is good reporting on the programme’s delivery. However, the process was let down by the absence of clear records and a rationale of how and why some decisions were made after an Infrastructure Reference Group provided its report to Ministers.
Ministers have the authority to make significant decisions. In our view, this power comes with an obligation to Parliament and the public to be transparent about how and why they made those decisions and whether those investments deliver what was intended.
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Post by ComfortZone on Dec 15, 2023 13:27:57 GMT 12
The same minister that couldn't manage his own shares but was put in charge of 15 billion dollars of our money. And duly fucked it up. Actually to be fair he had made some quite good investments with his share holdings (a capitalist in hiding), but like almost everyone in the Liebour government he had the view that rules were just for the little people and he did not need to concern himself with the direct conflicts of interest in spite of being warned multiple times that he needed to dispose of the shares. He programmed a visit to our job last year but could not even get that right showing up at the wrong place at the wrong time, cabinet ministers and the PM (well Stalinda was the exception, she was infamous for keeping people waiting) normally run to the minute of their agendas |
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