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Post by eri on Feb 29, 2024 17:20:51 GMT 12
it seems "guess the ozzie traitor" is going to be a game they play in oz for quite awhile the australian security services say they shut down a spy-ring before it got going and the big fish was a retired politician they won't say who it is... .but the implication is, that it's not a pmand they won't say who they were going to work for............ but china seems likely "Australian intelligence has revealed a retired politician was recruited by an international spy ring, and in one plot attempted to introduce a prime minister's family to their foreign handlers.The Australian Security Intelligence Organisation's boss Mike Burgess said the politician had "sold out their country, party and former colleagues to advance the interests of the foreign regime".dodgy dutton the first to have a crack Speaking on radio station 2GB, Mr Dutton took a punt on who the traitor may be, saying "I would put my money" on it being an ex-Labor politician from New South Wales, who had dealings with China". www.abc.net.au/news/2024-02-29/unnamed-traitor-politician-question-loyalty-joe-hockey/103525666 |
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Post by fish on Feb 29, 2024 18:37:08 GMT 12
You would be very naïve to think that the US and UK don't spy on their allies. Especially the US.
Imagine the controversy if it turns out this MP was spying on Aust for the US.
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Post by eri on Feb 29, 2024 18:59:04 GMT 12
i think the whole point of the "5 eyes agreement" was to prevent that
supposedly if the usa, can, uk, aus, nz want to know what each other are doing...they just ask
of course the usa has to have some secrets it won't share with others...
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Post by Fogg on Feb 29, 2024 19:13:26 GMT 12
They all spy on each other.
Don’t ask me how I know this.
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Post by fish on Feb 29, 2024 19:16:14 GMT 12
i think the whole point of the "5 eyes agreement" was to prevent that supposedly if the usa, can, uk, aus, nz want to know what each other are doing...they just ask 5 eyes is about sharing intelligence gathered on other countries, as in outside 5 eyes. The US in particular benefits from information on cabinet discussions and what not, so they can pressure or influence individuals within the cabinet to come up with decisions that favour the US interests. String-pulling. But they can't pull the strings if they don't have the inside information as to what is going on. Think of this. Australia signed a gazzilion dollar deal with France to build submarines. Several years in France are building those subs. Everything on track. Nekkminnit, Australia cancels French subs, mid build, and enters into a gazzillion dollar contract for US subs (or subs with British and US technology). Who benefitted from that? The Aussies are still spending a gazzillion dollars on subs, but some US defence companies just made a fortune... And how did that decision come about? Cancelling the French sub contract had a shit-tonne of collateral damage. |
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Post by eri on Feb 29, 2024 19:32:17 GMT 12
the yanks allowing the ozzies to buy their nuc sub technology is a pretty big deal
showing they are a trusted and valued partner, up there with canada and the uk
part of that quid pro quo
is massive expansion of american bases in oz, mainly the remote north
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Post by Fogg on Feb 29, 2024 20:13:26 GMT 12
i think the whole point of the "5 eyes agreement" was to prevent that supposedly if the usa, can, uk, aus, nz want to know what each other are doing...they just askof course the usa has to have some secrets it won't share with others... That’s so naive I don’t know where to start. Sorry but this is a world I was close to in a previous life. |
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Post by ComfortZone on Feb 29, 2024 20:41:09 GMT 12
i think the whole point of the "5 eyes agreement" was to prevent that supposedly if the usa, can, uk, aus, nz want to know what each other are doing...they just ask Think of this. Australia signed a gazzilion dollar deal with France to build submarines. Several years in France are building those subs. Everything on track. Not correct about being "on track", even in the early stages of the contract the French contractors were running late and cost overruns were already becoming evident www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-17/australia-in-talks-with-france-over-troubled-submarine-contractThe whole contract was a cock up driven by that fool Malcolm Turnbull. The submarines being supplied by the French were nuclear designs which had to be re-engineered for conventional power plants. There were other better options during the EOI and tender phase but Turdball insisted on going the French route. |
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Post by fish on Feb 29, 2024 21:14:48 GMT 12
Think of this. Australia signed a gazzilion dollar deal with France to build submarines. Several years in France are building those subs. Everything on track. Not correct about being "on track", even in the early stages of the contract the French contractors were running late and cost overruns were already becoming evident www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-17/australia-in-talks-with-france-over-troubled-submarine-contractThe whole contract was a cock up driven by that fool Malcolm Turnbull. The submarines being supplied by the French were nuclear designs which had to be re-engineered for conventional power plants. There were other better options during the EOI and tender phase but Turdball insisted on going the French route. I'm not wanting to overly focus on details of the sub contract, but wanting to focus on the likelihood of allies spying on each other. You add another good plank to that example. Why would Malcom Turnball go with the French if there were other better options in the EOI and tender phase? Where the French spying (as well as the Americans), did the French have some leverage on Turnball? The point is, there are plenty of interactions, and a shit-tonne of money being exchanged between "allies". Almost all of this, at govt level, is decided by relatively incompetent people (MP's) who have incredibly short career spans (3 years usually) and who tend to have personalities that attract them to troughs like pigs. They are prime targets for inappropriate influence from foreign actors, including our allies. There are far more opportunities for financial gain by spying on allies than traditional adversaries. Take Russia for example. What benefit would there be to Russia if they had an MP spilling the beans on Cabinet decisions etc? Russia doesn't trade with Aust. Russia may be interested in military secrets. I wouldn't have thought an MP was target rich for that sort of thing. The MSM is making the ASIO statement out to be some cold war 'thing' from an existential enemy. But the wording is very bland. "A foreign power". Technically NZ is a 'Foreign Power'. Sure, it could have been China, maybe North Korea. But I reckon there is equal or greater liklihood it was the US or maybe the UK. |
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Post by eri on Feb 29, 2024 21:23:20 GMT 12
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Post by Fogg on Mar 1, 2024 8:47:02 GMT 12
Like I said, everyone spies on everyone regardless of whether friend or foe.
It provides reassurances to allies - that they are indeed staying in-line.
But also because you never know when this year’s ally will become next year’s foe. Or vice-versa.
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Post by fish on Mar 1, 2024 9:21:12 GMT 12
So, if this was historical, why has ASIO made it public now?
Is their funding being reviewed? Are they just flexing their muscle and showing how important they are?
If there isn't an associated criminal investigation, why did the public need to know?
The spooks are constantly doing shit, but always in the shadows. For this to come out in the open is interesting in itself.
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Post by Fogg on Mar 1, 2024 9:50:55 GMT 12
Yeah when this stuff comes out like this it’s usually either:
1. A politically-driven agenda
2. A bureaucratically-driven grudge
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Post by eri on Mar 1, 2024 9:58:51 GMT 12
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Post by dutyfree on Mar 1, 2024 14:13:16 GMT 12
Chinese had or have both police and police stationed in Fiji. Plus they provided training for Fiji police in China and equipment like drones etc.
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