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Post by sabre on Mar 8, 2024 9:53:45 GMT 12
Even my v13 rode better than the stabi of 18ft. Currently have a older glascradt 16ft handles most conditions well.All comes down too how far you drop the hammer. Same with my old Sea Nymph 14'6. Far better ride than my mates Stabi and brothers Frypan. |
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Post by chariot on Mar 8, 2024 10:14:00 GMT 12
Haines Hunter are all still hand Laye'd. Took a mate out that has a tinnie of similar SIZE and he couldn't believe the difference in the ride. The Stabis thump under those pontoons.
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Post by ComfortZone on Mar 8, 2024 11:46:40 GMT 12
Haines Hunter are all still hand Laye'd. Took a mate out that has a tinnie of similar SIZE and he couldn't believe the difference in the ride. The Stabis thump under those pontoons. the difference there is the Haines (and Rayglass, Tristram, Buccaneer etc) have stern vee angle of 23 deg and a finer entry in front of this c.f almost all tinnies which generally have a stern vee around 16-17 deg |
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Post by GO30 on Mar 8, 2024 11:59:15 GMT 12
A couple of the names mentioned were winding down due to other circumstances than the economy. But the marine industry is in a slump for sure. The signs started early last year and come election time it was solidly set in. Stabi have dropped numbers, Surtees doing 4 day weeks, Extreme down to short hours. The more one off like mobs like AMF, Inovision and the like are doing OK but most of their craft are one offs or damn close to it. The few bigger mobs are doing OK but many are coming to the end of current builds and I know some have more to start but a few may not. A couple of the big name suppliers are reporting numbers down a little.
Last year was a total shit for marine. The helicopter money ran out, the country was grumpy as, the Govt was lost, interest rates going up fast and the boating weather was shit after a shit boating Xmas weather, a near perfect storm. What we are seeing at the moment is that washing through the system. We've been here before, it's just part of the cycle. I can't really put anyof this on the new Govt, if anything the change did remove a little of the gloom and uncertainty.
But we are seeing signs of a pickup, small but at least not going backwards any longer. We're doing fine but marine is a ever decreasing part of the business these days and when things get tight our competitors do silly shit which drives custies to us. Then consider we have no website, due to the muppets at Freeparking, which was good for around 1K a day and more importantly as a billboard. We've just had a record February so I can't complain. Some new products kicking in shortly. Just taken on the Sth Pacfic manufacture and distribution of a new anchor which is a little exciting, more news to follow shortly. That may also spur the release of Alain 'Mr Spade', last and he reckons best design, we'll see. So our future looks quite shiny.
We did wonder how Trev Terrys could go from 1 to 6 in such a short time. It appears they couldn't. Yes they brought Firmans and we have been wondering if Brian may get a deal buying it back. If he did he wouldn't be the first to do so back, I've seen a few sell then it turn to pooh and they buy it back for a few cents in the dollar.
Boat ride is in the underwater shape. Some newer ones have it, some older ones have it and the opposite. Go for a fang in a big Zodiac and then the same size Sth Pacific, huge difference. Do the same in a Surtees V a Extreme, again a noticeable difference.
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Post by harrytom on Mar 8, 2024 14:09:23 GMT 12
Stabi bow section is like a tug,no lift,Senator/surtees have a nice dead rise. Glass are heavier and tend to ride chop better.The v13 had 35hp johnson 4 blade prop,dug in well and handled briliantly unti we put about 180kg of fish in the stern.Big day out 4 kings 14 snapper 12 kahawai ave snapper was 4kg kings went 24kg and ky 2kg coro farms,10knt sw out going tide back to kawakawa bay,interesting to say the least. Current glasscraft,great punching in to a head sea but following HaHa handle full,need to play throttle as wide bow section.  |
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Post by GO30 on Mar 10, 2024 9:43:38 GMT 12
My understanding is a deeper V at the front dictates the ride. I'd think displacement would also have a big input.
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Post by ComfortZone on Mar 10, 2024 11:00:22 GMT 12
My understanding is a deeper V at the front dictates the ride. I'd think displacement would also have a big input. Like everything power boat design is a compromise. The old "warped plane" style hull (think Ship builders launches or even further back WW II GB and US motor torpedo boats) had a fine entry but almost flat across the stern and pounded like hell. Interestingly the German "Schnell Bootes" were round bilge, they reckon for better seakeeping in the North Sea conditions The Hunt deep vee saw the vee at stern increased to 23 deg, which has since become almost universal +/- a deg or 2. The vee at entry was always somewhat greater, then there is the option of the hull being a monhedron where the vee soon after entry flattens out to the stern vee (Mason Clippers have this) or are a more gradual change. The vee at the stern makes the biggest difference for boats that may almost come out of the water ie race boats and fizz boats. Have a look at some of Renato Levi's race boat designs if you want to see a really deep vee. In typical planing launches this is not the case so stern vee is alot flatter, typ around 10 deg for better efficiency - deep vees need more power to push them. The entry varies alot, eg Corsairs have quite a sharp entry and are great in a head sea but bow steer big time in a following sea, whereas say a Markline has a flatter entry so will pound a bit more into a head sea but more controllable down wind. Bill Upfold's Elites are quite similar to a Corsair but with a little more forward buoyancy to make them track better. |
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Post by harrytom on Mar 10, 2024 11:15:00 GMT 12
 These v13s for size,weight punch well above their weight compared to larger vessels up 16ft.Had one,up hill/down wind beam on,not being too stupid were a safe vessel Done many a trip across the firth from kawakawa bay and been caught out coming home in to sw 10/12 knot but cruise at 8 knts no issues and dry. |
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Post by ComfortZone on Mar 16, 2024 8:28:04 GMT 12
went to the boat show yesterday for a day out.
No 1 talking point was the f'wits in Auckland Council (Panuku?) having the walk bridge up over Viaduct Basin "for repairs". I was told it was down on Wednesday but up Thursday and Friday. Alot of pissed off exhibitors and show goers.
Show was pretty quiet, very few yachts. Some nicley built Upfold launches and the usual Rivs, interestingly no Maritimos.
Rayglass, Tristram and Haines there, but none of the other GRP Fizz Boats. Some of the alloy fizz boat builders.
Word is business is very quiet at the tradie end of the market, the "high net worth" are still speniding.
Interesting who was and was not showing gear, 2 notable absentees were Cummins and Lees (Iveco).
Talking to Waldo he said unfortunately he just had a nice order cancelled for a big gennaker for a cat, owner has discovered all the bulkheads have come adrift and joinery is twisting, big repair job for Norsand.
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Post by Fogg on Mar 16, 2024 8:43:17 GMT 12
Talking to Waldo he said unfortunately he just had a nice order cancelled for a big gennaker for a cat, owner has discovered all the bulkheads have come adrift and joinery is twisting, big repair job for Norsand. A Lagoon? |
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Post by GO30 on Mar 16, 2024 8:57:12 GMT 12
Interesting the bridge has been down for the last few weeks inc all during the Wooden Boat Festival.
Due to the costs some of the names you mention have their own 'show weekends'. Chatting to one of the principals of an above mentioned company the cost of them doing a show is massive, like well in excess of 50K. If the market is subdued, and it certainly is, the show becomes only recognition thing and you can do that at far less cost.
But that is meaning the show/s are moving from everyday people who want to see things relevant to them towards those who can afford to show i.e. why should I go when I have zero interest in Rivertimos, BFO engines and $20K chart plotters. Which is the very reason the last show I went to was maybe 3-4 years ago, I have no desire to pay a tidy sum to be bored shitless...not that I need to pay but ya get my drift.
One of those Catch 22 things where the companies that service/supply the everyday people are priced out leading to less everyday people turning up.
Now the Hutchwilco Show at Ellerslie has been 'sold' (no idea by whom) to a professional Show organising company everyone is expecting the costs to sky rocket even more.
The Akl Show on now is 'owned' by the Marine Industry Association. One would have thought the industries own association would go hard out to make sure it caters to everyone on both sides of the fence. When I sussed doing one a couple of years back I saw a very distinct totem pole that favoured some at the expense of new entrants. While I can see some of the justification i.e reward those who show a lot, I couldn't see where it encouraged new entrants. A bit like DHL, yes we will give you rates that aren't total bullshit but only after you have spent a fortune with us. Hardly a sign of 'We do really want you aboard, come on down'.
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Post by fish on Mar 16, 2024 9:32:47 GMT 12
went to the boat show yesterday for a day out. No 1 talking point was the f'wits in Auckland Council (Panuku?) having the walk bridge up over Viaduct Basin "for repairs". I was told it was down on Wednesday but up Thursday and Friday. Alot of pissed off exhibitors and show goers. Show was pretty quiet, very few yachts. Some nicley built Upfold launches and the usual Rivs, interestingly no Maritimos, Rayglass, Tristram and Haines there, but none of the other GRP Fizz Boats. Some of the alloy fizz boat builders. Word is business is very quiet at the tradie end of the market, the "high net worth" are still speniding. Interesting who was and was not showing gear, 2 notable absentees were Cummins and Lees (Iveco). Talking to Waldo he said unfortunately he just had a nice order cancelled for a big gennaker for a cat, owner has discovered all the bulkheads have come adrift and joinery is twisting, big repair job for Norsand. I didn't even realise it was on this weekend. That said, I'm struggling to keep up with what day of the week it is. I've had plenty of spam emails about it, but at the same time I've had plenty of emails about the fizz boat show at the showgrounds in May. Hard to tell the two apart. I distinctly remember checking the date, saw it was May and wondered why they were sending such a high volume of emails in Feb / March. If they called it the Auckland On 'Water Boat' show like they used to I probably wouldn't be so confused. Anyway, aware the boat show was coming up, I've been trying to decide if I would bother going, expecting gazillion dollar boats, BFO engines and very little that would interest me, especially related to the tasks of maintaining my 40 yr old wooden log. I like hoping on boats and checkign them out, but the sales people on the gazillion dollar ones make you feel somewhat unwelcome. I'm not paying $30 to walk around a marine, I can do that at Westhaven for free, where the Rivitmo sales berths already are. Your guys comments are reinforcing my view I'm far better off to get the weed eater out and tackle the lawn as per the Admirals request. How much are tickets? The bridge was working fine on the Saturday of the Wooden Boat festival. It was a highlight for Mr 9 to see it going up and down. Although it did require a rather grumpy lady in a hut to yell at everyone every now and then. Maybe she is on stress leave and they need to leave the bridge up? Having an expensive boatshow cut in half cause the bridge is up sounds like a complete clusterfuck. With all those boats, couldn't someone just run a barge back and forth, old school like? |
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Post by fish on Mar 16, 2024 10:01:40 GMT 12
Tickets are $26 if you rock up, under 16yrs free, so no extra for Mr 9.
Had a good browse of the exhibitors. Feeling really underwhelmed. Struggling to think of one thing I want to go and see, check out or investigate. Basically did a virtual boatshow online. There were a handful of exhibitors I wasn't already aware of, looked at their websites and confirmed I have zero interest in their products.
Guess I'll be getting the weed eater going instead and doing the lawns this weekend.
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Post by ComfortZone on Mar 16, 2024 12:15:15 GMT 12
Tickets are $26 if you rock up, under 16yrs free, so no extra for Mr 9. Had a good browse of the exhibitors. Feeling really underwhelmed. Struggling to think of one thing I want to go and see, check out or investigate. Basically did a virtual boatshow online. There were a handful of exhibitors I wasn't already aware of, looked at their websites and confirmed I have zero interest in their products. Guess I'll be getting the weed eater going instead and doing the lawns this weekend. I gave MIA a serve, even to find out how much the tickets were from their web site was a mission. Then buying them on line by the time they added a "ticket fee" and a credit card fee it was a whole 25c cheaper for 2 of us c.f buying at the gate! |
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Post by ComfortZone on Mar 16, 2024 12:16:56 GMT 12
Talking to Waldo he said unfortunately he just had a nice order cancelled for a big gennaker for a cat, owner has discovered all the bulkheads have come adrift and joinery is twisting, big repair job for Norsand. A Lagoon? didn't say, but Fontaine Pajots (and all the other production cats) are as bad as Lagoons, just have not had the same bad publicity. |
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