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Post by GO30 on Apr 3, 2022 9:37:36 GMT 12
I'm a hopeless fisho ! But we catch enough when we're sailing Coromandel / Barrier. We only take enough for 2 nights and no freezing fillets.I'd say reduce limits toall if there is really a shortage. And that's everyone. Commercial/ Recreation? and do away with that Maori can take what they want when they want crap. If the fishery gets wiped out I can't see how a preferential system helps any of them In there with you on all of that. I could walk into Seamart with a hand grenade and still not come out with any fish. Luckily the team are OK so when were out there they will catch 2, maybe 3, which will be eaten not long after. We don't store like the smart, occasionally  , Admiral above.
I'd make the rule zero storage so you can catch a feed but that's ya wack jack, none of this must catch the limit crap.
I'd also seriously increase the penalties for those caught beyond the rules. At the moment the main offenders get off too lightly, far too lightly considering most are intentional in the catching they do.
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Post by Fogg on Apr 3, 2022 14:34:47 GMT 12
Zero storage is a good idea.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2022 15:13:42 GMT 12
Zero storage is a good idea. Our general rule is,if klegal keep,2 maybe 3 for dinner and 1 for the old neighbour,been out with my nephew a number of times (surprising still takes me)The arguements we have when I settle on 2 or 3 legal hes tossing back perfectly good fish. Tried to explain the baratrauma effect depth has on fish but nah wont listen. heres a good video on it,aussie mind you but I cant see the difference between us and them. www.fishingworld.com.au/news/video-barotrauma-in-golden-snapper |
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Post by armchairadmiral on Apr 3, 2022 17:30:39 GMT 12
Well that video is bloody depressing. I've prided myself over the years in releasing the big breeding snapper....mostly caught at 12m plus. But never had them float up. Most swam away,straight down very strongly. Is that video correct ?
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Post by armchairadmiral on Apr 3, 2022 17:50:35 GMT 12
But not that many ! Of any size......
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2022 18:50:22 GMT 12
Well that video is bloody depressing. I've prided myself over the years in releasing the big breeding snapper....mostly caught at 12m plus. But never had them float up. Most swam away,straight down very strongly. Is that video correct ? Just because they swim away doesnt mean survival.Bit like the Marlin hunters tag n release.Light up swim away.Now they are finding them dead in America and not many tagged being recaptured. Its a feel good thing. Big snapper the class is still out whether they the breeders or not. Due to the fact big snapper are teritorial and dont move far. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2022 17:44:40 GMT 12
Have spent or wasted 2 hrs recc v comms v grennies.for no answer.But we have spent 2 or 3 yrs in a working group called "seachange" which was suppose to be the answer. You serious action and piss a lot of people including myself,close the gulf for 5 yrs and it will regenerate,closed no take of anything. 50% reserves yeah right,bit like the bus stop. we need one but not outside my place,we will still be going around in circles next 20yrs. Now the minister has announced this?? www.mpi.govt.nz/consultations/review-of-recreational-daily-bag-limits-for-finfish/An example of a species with an individual daily limit is kingfish, which has a daily limit of three per angler. These individual limits will be retained but are now included within the combined daily bag limit. For example, a fisher in the Auckland/Kermadec, Central or Challenger areas can take three kingfish and up to 17 other finfish to make up their daily limit of 20. If I have interpreted it correctly,20 finfish bag limit,no more 20 finfish + allocated species entitlement IE 20 + 7 snapper + 3 king + unlimited maomao |
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Post by Fogg on Apr 20, 2022 18:56:40 GMT 12
Someone answer me this paradox:
Why do we as one of the biggest fish-catching & eating populations enjoy some of the worst health outcomes?
Whereas in other places the big fish-eaters enjoy great health eg Med & Japan?
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Post by fish on Apr 20, 2022 19:33:43 GMT 12
Someone answer me this paradox: Why do we as one of the biggest fish-catching & eating populations enjoy some of the worst health outcomes? Whereas in other places the big fish-eaters enjoy great health eg Med & Japan? Huh? Do they have Dirty Bird (KFC) in the Med & Japan? |
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Post by ComfortZone on Apr 20, 2022 20:34:53 GMT 12
Someone answer me this paradox: Why do we as one of the biggest fish-catching & eating populations enjoy some of the worst health outcomes? Whereas in other places the big fish-eaters enjoy great health eg Med & Japan? Actually, all being equal NZ is not travelling too badly www.worldometers.info/demographics/life-expectancy/Interesting perusing the numbers. Japan top of the heap but their average is driven by women, the men's life expectancy is very similar to NZ, Italy the same profile. In fact very few countries have men exceeding an average above 82, the fluctuations are more driven by women's varying averages in the top 20 Interesting to see Australia so high, I know from experience nothing healthy about the average Aussies lifestyle. Italy's average higher than NZ but Greece's lower, as is Germany, Netherlands, Denmark & UK. I bet if you took this data and overlay stats on smoking you would see a pattern emerging |
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Post by armchairadmiral on Apr 21, 2022 8:30:35 GMT 12
Someone answer me this paradox: Why do we as one of the biggest fish-catching & eating populations enjoy some of the worst health outcomes? Whereas in other places the big fish-eaters enjoy great health eg Med & Japan? Huh? Do they have Dirty Bird (KFC) in the Med & Japan? |
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Post by armchairadmiral on Apr 21, 2022 8:31:33 GMT 12
Yep...Japan and China big KFC fans along with Starbucks and Maccas
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Post by fish on Apr 22, 2022 10:48:52 GMT 12
So these new fishing rules, one group of assholes pillage loads of pink moamoa, and the Minister actually closes the loop holes. That is a good thing. So the catch limit is now 20 / day for all species, excluding explicitly listed baitfish and fresh water eels.
Does anyone know how this applies to set netting? Does the finfish limit apply regardless of how you catch them?
Over easter up at Shakespeare park (Te Hauhuru Bay) there were 13 or 14 set nets - the bay was literally full with them. I didn't see who was setting them, but there was a very large group of PI's in the campground, and a PI guy gutting and cleaning his fish in the water, as if he was back in his lagoon in the islands and not in a regional park in Auckland. Fish heads all up the beach, seagulls everywhere. Oh, and a dead shark on the beach, just left to rot. Clearly been caught in a set net.
We wanted to see the critically endangered dotterils that nest there, but couldn't find any. I suspect with all the black back gulls in a feeding frenzy, they had either run away in hiding, or had already been eaten.
Part of me thinks if the whole family group is catching and sharing the fish, and having a social meal, then that is fine, but then the shear impact on the bay (difficult for other water users to do anything without hitting a set net). Fish heads everywhere, swarms of gulls (not normal for Shakespeare, changes the ecology).
Currently set netting is permitted. I think the impacts are significant and it shouldn't be allowed, especially in urban areas and Regional Parks.
Rant over.
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Post by ComfortZone on Apr 22, 2022 13:08:20 GMT 12
So these new fishing rules, one group of assholes pillage loads of pink moamoa, and the Minister actually closes the loop holes. That is a good thing. So the catch limit is now 20 / day for all species, excluding explicitly listed baitfish and fresh water eels. Does anyone know how this applies to set netting? Does the finfish limit apply regardless of how you catch them? Over easter up at Shakespeare park (Te Hauhuru Bay) there were 13 or 14 set nets - the bay was literally full with them. I didn't see who was setting them, but there was a very large group of PI's in the campground, and a PI guy gutting and cleaning his fish in the water, as if he was back in his lagoon in the islands and not in a regional park in Auckland. Fish heads all up the beach, seagulls everywhere. Oh, and a dead shark on the beach, just left to rot. Clearly been caught in a set net. We wanted to see the critically endangered dotterils that nest there, but couldn't find any. I suspect with all the black back gulls in a feeding frenzy, they had either run away in hiding, or had already been eaten. Part of me thinks if the whole family group is catching and sharing the fish, and having a social meal, then that is fine, but then the shear impact on the bay (difficult for other water users to do anything without hitting a set net). Fish heads everywhere, swarms of gulls (not normal for Shakespeare, changes the ecology). Currently set netting is permitted. I think the impacts are significant and it shouldn't be allowed, especially in urban areas and Regional Parks. Rant over. Interesting that this should be happening when there is the ban in place, I assume until end of Easter www.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz/plans-projects-policies-reports-bylaws/bylaws/Pages/set-net-fishing-controls.aspxwhere were the MAF boys & girls? |
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