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Post by GO30 on Jan 26, 2022 18:13:42 GMT 12
NOT this is not the current model, it is the one before and affects about 60 boats so I'm told.
There's been some stability testing done, in NZ, and the numbers reckon the boats are their most stable when fully inverted.
A dude brought one in the EU, sailed it down and for the last part had a clever crew. All reckoned it was too tender and didn't play as expected so did some testing to find the result is not that flash. There is also other 'WTF?' stuff going on aboard.
For a supposedly respectable ocean cursing brand this may get nasty and expensive. The people here are not happy, seem very experienced and appear well financed so it'll be interesting to see where this goes.
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Post by ComfortZone on Jan 26, 2022 20:20:05 GMT 12
NOT this is not the current model, it is the one before and affects about 60 boats so I'm told.
There's been some stability testing done, in NZ, and the numbers reckon the boats are their most stable when fully inverted.
A dude brought one in the EU, sailed it down and for the last part had a clever crew. All reckoned it was too tender and didn't play as expected so did some testing to find the result is not that flash. There is also other 'WTF?' stuff going on aboard.
For a supposedly respectable ocean cursing brand this may get nasty and expensive. The people here are not happy, seem very experienced and appear well financed so it'll be interesting to see where this goes.
Is the testing a stability calculation or physical incline testing? Has the Angle of Vanishing Stability been calculated? EC Cat A, so the original designer should have done all the calcs Specs for the 2012-18 model show displacement 2/3 load ~24t ballast 5.9t which gives a ballast ratio of 25% which is on the low side I expect the 2 masts with in mast furling are quite heavy, which of course is weight in the wrong place. Based on the above I could certainly understand crew feeling it is a bit on the tender side, but then they would probably feel the same about my Farr with its swing keel and similar ballast ratio Reasonably beamy at 5m which would contribute to being stable inverted. Keep us posted... |
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Post by Fogg on Jan 26, 2022 20:52:49 GMT 12
Presume this affects the newer designs (which look like they are chasing the easy-living aesthetic of the Ben / Bav / Jen / Han brigade whilst retaining their offshore pedigree?
The earlier Amels have Hallberg Rassey type offshore credentials if not better with some of their design innovations (I love the watertight engine compartment / emergency pump room for example) but those older proven designs look really dated now.
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Post by ComfortZone on Jan 26, 2022 21:21:29 GMT 12
Presume this affects the newer designs (which look like they are chasing the easy-living aesthetic of the Ben / Bav / Jen / Han brigade whilst retaining their offshore pedigree? The earlier Amels have Hallberg Rassey type offshore credentials if not better with some of their design innovations (I love the watertight engine compartment / emergency pump room for example) but those older proven designs look really dated now. I believe the model GO30 is referring to is the last of the "old style" versions, not the new single mast with windows in the hull |
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Post by GO30 on Jan 28, 2022 10:45:16 GMT 12
yeah, not the latest modle, the one before it.
I was told the ballest testing, and they did full incline tests, calculated out to them not even reaching Cat A requirements, something they were sold as achieving.
That's a bit spooky for a brand name like that.
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