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Post by ComfortZone on Feb 17, 2022 20:37:20 GMT 12
Floating homes are well established and accepted in Holland ![]()  www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/02/netherlands-floating-village-schoonschip-density/established more as an alternative type in place such as Seattle, Vancouver and Victoria BC to name a few. There is this rather expensive proposal for Whitianga watersidedevelopments.nz/waterside-whitianga/Just looking around Auckland there are many estuaries around the city where with minimal dredging you could establish Floating Home enclaves using the Holland type design (ferrocement basement semi submerged with the lightweight structure on top). There would need to be some intelligent application of the RMA and the Building Act, which I know is asking alot Comments? |
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Post by fish on Feb 17, 2022 21:46:00 GMT 12
The same benefits could be met by tiny homes, if they tweaked the RMA and Building Act. I think floating homes and the likes of Thames Barges are a nice lifestyle, but we are lacking the waterfront areas to tie them up to be of any great benefit to the housing situation. That, along with the infrastructure to serve them, water, wastewater, power and transport (roads).
With regard to estuaries around Auckland, the RMA would kill that idea. It is hard enough getting RC for land development. Try doing a land development in an estuary. It would make Kennedy Pt Marina look like a picnic.
I still loop back to tiny homes as a viable solution. It is beyond me why the regulatory levers aren't pulled to allow them.
Edit, possibly not a bad option if you chuck in climate change, risk of flooding and sea-level rise, though...
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Post by armchairadmiral on Feb 18, 2022 7:41:15 GMT 12
There is no housing shortage per se. It's a deliberate plan to create a shortage that ensures control of the masses. Take a patch of land ,say 400 acres.Sub divide it into 12 sections per acre equals ,say 5000 sections,with reserves. Sub divider does roading, basic kerb and channeling,package sewerage plants with grey water recycling,groundwater potable supply. Basic land cost $2000 per section. Basic infrastructure costs ,say,$100000 /$150000 . All this needs is the will by a Government. Needn't be a slum with covenants. Go back to the Keith Hay/ Beazley concept for a house. Abolish RMA requirements along with Council extortionate rules that are inconsistent. Can't be done I hear you say ? That's the reason there is a housing shortage. A created supply and demand situation is what there is. Of course once the supply exceeds demand prices drop. And few who have a house want that. And rule makers mostly own houses QED !
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2022 9:50:04 GMT 12
There is no housing shortage per se. It's a deliberate plan to create a shortage that ensures control of the masses. Take a patch of land ,say 400 acres.Sub divide it into 12 sections per acre equals ,say 5000 sections,with reserves. Sub divider does roading, basic kerb and channeling,package sewerage plants with grey water recycling,groundwater potable supply. Basic land cost $2000 per section. Basic infrastructure costs ,say,$100000 /$150000 . All this needs is the will by a Government. Needn't be a slum with covenants. Go back to the Keith Hay/ Beazley concept for a house. Abolish RMA requirements along with Council extortionate rules that are inconsistent. Can't be done I hear you say ? That's the reason there is a housing shortage. A created supply and demand situation is what there is. Of course once the supply exceeds demand prices drop. And few who have a house want that. And rule makers mostly own houses QED ! there is no house shortage. Just a Affordability issue for the people who made bad choices and wasted their income. |
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Post by GO30 on Feb 18, 2022 10:56:12 GMT 12
there is no house shortage. Just a Affordability issue for the people who made bad choices and wasted their income. there is no house shortage - Is accurate Just a Affordability issue for the people who made bad choices and wasted their income. - Is not accurate
Heap of houses out there if you want one but the cost of many, a growing many, is just beyond the ability of many, a help of a many, to ever reach. There is also the recent change by the Government, a Government that loves to use the phrase 'listen to the experts' but then ignore their own experts, that has made borrowing coin near impossible for most, even those with something are now being blocked out of the game.
Last week we were told 'don't even bother' when we asked about borrowing just under 5% of the value of a property they value at over 1 mill and carries exactly $0 debt. The money was for infrastructure which will support a potential million + bucks a year income. We got told unless you love wankery, they know my tolerance to that is very low, don't even bother. If I can't borrow a small 100K without jumping thru extreme hoops, and getting the numbers of coffees we buy* then those with low resources are buggered!!
* - I asked about that and was told yes they do comb statements looking at the coffee you buy, smashed avo breakfasts, Uber usage and all that stuff.
In the end we had to increase a tiny loan another entity had then wash it thru the system until it came out on the farm books. That way it was not new borrowing.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2022 12:14:57 GMT 12
there is no house shortage. Just a Affordability issue for the people who made bad choices and wasted their income. there is no house shortage - Is accurate Just a Affordability issue for the people who made bad choices and wasted their income. - Is not accurate
Heap of houses out there if you want one but the cost of many, a growing many, is just beyond the ability of many, a help of a many, to ever reach. There is also the recent change by the Government, a Government that loves to use the phrase 'listen to the experts' but then ignore their own experts, that has made borrowing coin near impossible for most, even those with something are now being blocked out of the game.
Last week we were told 'don't even bother' when we asked about borrowing just under 5% of the value of a property they value at over 1 mill and carries exactly $0 debt. The money was for infrastructure which will support a potential million + bucks a year income. We got told unless you love wankery, they know my tolerance to that is very low, don't even bother. If I can't borrow a small 100K without jumping thru extreme hoops, and getting the numbers of coffees we buy* then those with low resources are buggered!!
* - I asked about that and was told yes they do comb statements looking at the coffee you buy, smashed avo breakfasts, Uber usage and all that stuff.
In the end we had to increase a tiny loan another entity had then wash it thru the system until it came out on the farm books. That way it was not new borrowing.
all good stuff, but when has, for the majority, housing ever been anything but a lifetime slog. Right now I can get a 2 bedroom! 1 bathroom room house built for Under $100k. (79k to be exact from Koru cabins.) The problem is not house affordability either. As proven above. The problem is land affordability and people / government grandiose expectations for 4 beds 2 bath houses. Also, MSD spending 2 million for a huge house to accommodate 3 people does not help . The industry needs to pull it's head in and... 1. Free up land, stop land banking, and stop developers constraining the opening up of land to control the demand/ supply model inorder to drive up profits and prices. 2.stop building big houses and build prefab houses cheaply as a stepping stone house for the poor. |
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Post by GO30 on Feb 19, 2022 9:10:24 GMT 12
You can buy and erect ready to use a Ger for under 15K and 1000s upon 1000s of people live in those during -50 degree winters. But even if common sense was allowed in council and Govt the vast majority of NZers wouldnt live in one or even contemplate it as they have been told they live in paradise and thats not how we roll.
Then of course the entitled real estate industry would kick up merry hell screaming its not far attacking their right to over charge. Then the near but not quite duopoly building supply would bitch. Both would then throw coin at the government and suddenly Ger would run foul of something.
Very affordable housing is very easily available but the way NZ works means the vested interests and pure utter muppttrey that are our supposed civil servants simply can not allow it. The sad fuckers cant even see how fucked up they have made things due to the even sadder voting public asking them ever couple of years 'Can I gave some more Sir'.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2022 10:21:19 GMT 12
You can buy and erect ready to use a Ger for under 15K and 1000s upon 1000s of people live in those during -50 degree winters. But even if common sense was allowed in council and Govt the vast majority of NZers wouldnt live in one or even contemplate it as they have been told they live in paradise and thats not how we roll. Then of course the entitled real estate industry would kick up merry hell screaming its not far attacking their right to over charge. Then the near but not quite duopoly building supply would bitch. Both would then throw coin at the government and suddenly Ger would run foul of something. Very affordable housing is very easily available but the way NZ works means the vested interests and pure utter muppttrey that are our supposed civil servants simply can not allow it. The sad fuckers cant even see how fucked up they have made things due to the even sadder voting public asking them ever couple of years 'Can I gave some more Sir'. Very nice summation. |
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