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Post by ComfortZone on Mar 14, 2022 8:57:50 GMT 12
Nothing like a good exchange on the Climate fear mongering that seems to circulate, when not overtaken by the WuFlu and now Ukraine. The climate catastrophists love to demonise CO2, even calling it toxic, though it is the gas of life. They keep saying it has to be reduced but you never hear anyone of them say reduced to what? They say CO2 drives temperature rise whereas the evidence shows temperature rise drives CO2 release from the Oceans (Boyles Law at work) Interesting article here to get discussion going www.rationaloptimist.com/blog/how-global-warming-can-be-good/ |
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Post by OLD ROPE đź‘€ on Mar 14, 2022 10:00:15 GMT 12
Nothing like a good exchange on the Climate fear mongering that seems to circulate, when not overtaken by the WuFlu and now Ukraine. The climate catastrophists love to demonise CO2, even calling it toxic, though it is the gas of life. They keep saying it has to be reduced but you never hear anyone of them say reduced to what? They say CO2 drives temperature rise whereas the evidence shows temperature rise drives CO2 release from the Oceans (Boyles Law at work) Interesting article here to get discussion going www.rationaloptimist.com/blog/how-global-warming-can-be-good/ hey ! They have a solution it's called ev cars and battery-powered everything, yet they forgot that you have to dig up the planet and use a lot of energy to produce the ingredients in batteries... then you got the waste disposal off said batteries. oh well they're all Legends these greenie guys. The quickest way to reduce vehicle emissions .. Improve then Make public transport free. |
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Post by GO30 on Mar 14, 2022 18:24:57 GMT 12
The quickest way to reduce vehicle emissions .. Ban shopping malls and big box stores.
When I was a youngun, earlier last month...maybe a little before that, I used to able to get 90% of my needs at the local shops 2km down the road. Now most of those shops have been rolled by big multinationals in and around biog box/shopping centres so they are now cafes which come and go with disturbing frequency, souvenir like crap, vape shops and occasionally a bakery and/or chippy.
To get just a pair of undies is now a 30-40min drive by the time you add in the traffic. To get a packet of nails is an hours drive round trip, longer on Saturdays.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2022 18:31:15 GMT 12
The quickest way to reduce vehicle emissions .. Ban shopping malls and big box stores.
When I was a youngun, earlier last month...maybe a little before that, I used to able to get 90% of my needs at the local shops 2km down the road. Now most of those shops have been rolled by big multinationals in and around biog box/shopping centres so they are now cafes which come and go with disturbing frequency, souvenir like crap, vape shops and occasionally a bakery and/or chippy.
To get just a pair of undies is now a 30-40min drive by the time you add in the traffic. To get a packet of nails is an hours drive round trip, longer on Saturdays.
Sterlings ,marine,homewares,paint.etc even rifles and ammunition,fishing gear. All gone now.Was it Parsons who owned it?? |
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Post by em on Mar 14, 2022 18:46:53 GMT 12
Nothing like a good exchange on the Climate fear mongering that seems to circulate, when not overtaken by the WuFlu and now Ukraine. The climate catastrophists love to demonise CO2, even calling it toxic, though it is the gas of life. They keep saying it has to be reduced but you never hear anyone of them say reduced to what? They say CO2 drives temperature rise whereas the evidence shows temperature rise drives CO2 release from the Oceans (Boyles Law at work) Interesting article here to get discussion going www.rationaloptimist.com/blog/how-global-warming-can-be-good/ hey ! They have a solution it's called ev cars and battery-powered everything, yet they forgot that you have to dig up the planet and use a lot of energy to produce the ingredients in batteries... then you got the waste disposal off said batteries. oh well they're all Legends these greenie guys. The quickest way to reduce vehicle emissions .. Improve then Make public transport free. The quickest way to reduce vehicle emissions .. Improve then Make public transport free excellent comment man ! I’m happily emitting as much as next the person and it bugs the shit out of me . I think the biggest stumbling block is just giving a fuck and ignoring the CC spin . The usual reaction to suggesting personal emissions add to the big picture of a tan coloured hauraki gulf or Marlborough sounds are quite dramatic in the extreme . the gulf , the sounds , Mercury bay , Tasman bay BOI are not what they were and getting worse , what’s the harm in admitting that we contribute to that as boaters ? |
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Post by ComfortZone on May 10, 2022 22:09:11 GMT 12
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2022 4:07:02 GMT 12
Dont really see a problem burning coal. With today technology and filtration systems should be able disperse in to the atmosphere with little pollutants. Only issue is the coal mines may contain methane which is more harmful in short term compered to carbon.
i dont have a problem with nuclear ,after all its only devise to heat water to turn in to steam to drive a turbine that produces power,its just the waste.What do you do with it?
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Post by em on May 11, 2022 8:09:32 GMT 12
Dont really see a problem burning coal. With today technology and filtration systems should be able disperse in to the atmosphere with little pollutants. Only issue is the coal mines may contain methane which is more harmful in short term compered to carbon. i dont have a problem with nuclear ,after all its only devise to heat water to turn in to steam to drive a turbine that produces power,its just the waste.What do you do with it? Well You can make creosote out of it , you can make red food colouring out if it ….which is really fuckin bad for you it turns out , coal tar shampoo and soap . There must be other things you can do with it , I would look to India or china for innovative and and deadly ways to use coal ash . Who’s noticed that super cheap auto smells like a coal pit ? Always wondered what it is in there that emits that pong . |
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Post by armchairadmiral on May 11, 2022 9:30:39 GMT 12
The only crisis is a humankind crisis. Anyone else notice how most news is centred around fear generation.Planet warms up and cools down. We could do with a war on plastic pollution but as for the rest of it get on with living. Read 'realise you're living the dream' Horrild May 4. Picked it up in a cafe. One of the few articles worth reading!
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Post by ComfortZone on May 11, 2022 10:55:16 GMT 12
Dont really see a problem burning coal. With today technology and filtration systems should be able disperse in to the atmosphere with little pollutants. Only issue is the coal mines may contain methane which is more harmful in short term compered to carbon. i dont have a problem with nuclear ,after all its only devise to heat water to turn in to steam to drive a turbine that produces power,its just the waste.What do you do with it? Coal is very useful stuff, for firing boilers to produce heat for power generation, processing and general heating purposes. Also used as a reductant for various metal production processes. The "problem" is that the climate catastrophists have wrongly declared CO2 as public enemy number one, even though Water Vapour is by far the most predominant greenhouse gas. Take away CO2 and see how long you last. I worked for a German company in Australia more than 30 yrs ago, one of their key divisions was emissions treatment for coal fired boilers and metal smelters, all very conventional technology, electrostatic precipitators, bag filters and sulphuric acid plants |
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Post by fish on May 11, 2022 11:09:56 GMT 12
Dont really see a problem burning coal. With today technology and filtration systems should be able disperse in to the atmosphere with little pollutants. Only issue is the coal mines may contain methane which is more harmful in short term compered to carbon. i dont have a problem with nuclear ,after all its only devise to heat water to turn in to steam to drive a turbine that produces power,its just the waste.What do you do with it? In terms of climate change, nuclear is by far and away the best source of energy. Somehow it doesn't get any attention. Probably because the last generation of environmental activists spent their life's efforts protesting against nuclear. It would be a rather large mea calpa if they accepted it now. I think the obvious issue is the cost of nuclear. To do it safely & properly, it costs a fortune. That, and it requires a lot of human interaction to operate, compared to a coal fired boiler where you just have a screw feed auger to shovel the coal in. I had a boss in the UK who was a nuclear engineer. He was barely competent and had a wee drinking problem. Luckily we were in the water sector, where screw ups could only make a few thousand sick, as opposed to millions. But having had to work with him, and knowing his training in nuclear has always made me a tad uncomfortable at the thought of those 'well trained professionals' that run a nuclear power plant. Esp the ones on night shift. If they were any good, surely they could get a day job... |
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Post by ComfortZone on May 22, 2022 9:18:30 GMT 12
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Post by Fogg on May 22, 2022 16:36:48 GMT 12
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Post by ComfortZone on May 23, 2022 13:12:13 GMT 12
the climate doomsayers have a 100% record of getting it wrong, just a sample
2014: Only 500 Days Before “Climate Chaos’
2013: Arctic Ice-Free by 2015
2011: Washington Post Predicted Cherry Blossoms Blooming in Winter
2009: Climate Genius Al Gore Moves 2013 Prediction of Ice-Free Arctic to 2014
2009: Climate Genius Prince Charles Says we Have 96 Months to Save World
2009: UK Prime Minister Says 50 Days to “Save The Planet From Catastrophe’
2009: Glaciers gone at Glacier National Park by 2020
2008: Arctic will Be Ice Free by 2018
2008: Climate Genius Al Gore Predicts Ice-Free Arctic by 2013
2007: Tim Flannery - Australian dams will never be full again
2006: Super Hurricanes!
2005: Fifty Million Climate Refugees by the Year 2020
2005: Manhattan Underwater by 2015
2004: Britain will Be Siberia by 2024
2004: Guardian newspaper said a “secret report” from the Pentagon to President
George W. Bush said climate change would “destroy us.”
2002: Famine In 10 Years If We Don’t Give Up Eating Fish, Meat, and Dairy
2002: Peak Oil in 2010
2001: No snow on Mount Kilimanjaro by 2020
2000: Children Won’t Know what Snow is
2000: Snowfalls Are Now a Thing of the Past
2000: Pacific islands economies devastated
1996: Peak Oil in 2020
1989: New York City’s West Side Highway Underwater by 2019 (it’s not)
1989: Rising Sea Levels will Obliterate Nations if Nothing Done by 2000
1989: UN Warns That Entire Nations Wiped Off the Face of the Earth by 2000 from Global Warming
1988: Maldive Islands will Be Underwater by 2018 (they’re not)
1988: Regional Droughts (that never happened) in 1990s
1988: Temperatures in DC Will Hit Record Highs
1988: World’s Leading Climate Expert Predicts Lower Manhattan Underwater by 2018
1987: Average global temperature up 3 degrees Celsius
1986: Sea level around Florida will rise 3 feet by 2020
1980: Acid Rain Kills Life In Lakes
1980: Peak Oil In 2000
1978: No End in Sight to 30-Year Cooling Trend
1977: Department of Energy Says Oil will Peak in 1990s
1976: Scientific Consensus Planet Cooling, Famines imminent
1975: The Cooling World and a Drastic Decline in Food Production
1974: Another Ice Age?
1974: Ozone Depletion a “Great Peril to Life
1974: Space Satellites Show New Ice Age Coming Fast
1972: New Ice Age By 2070
1972: Oil Depleted in 20 Years
1972: Pending Depletion and Shortages of Gold, Tin, Oil, Natural Gas, Copper, Aluminium
1971: New Ice Age Coming By 2020 or 2030
1970: America Subject to Water Rationing By 1974 and Food Rationing By 1980
1970: Decaying Pollution Will Kill all the Fish
1970: Ice Age By 2000
1970: Killer Bees! Killer Bees!
1970: Nitrogen buildup Will Make All Land Unusable
1970: Oceans Dead in a Decade, US Water Rationing by 1974, Food Rationing by 1980
1970: Urban Citizens Will Require Gas Masks by 1985
1970: World Will Use Up All its Natural Resources
1970: Population Bomb to Cause Global Famine by 2000
1969: Everyone Will Disappear In a Cloud Of Blue Steam By 1989
1969: Worldwide Plague, Overwhelming Pollution, Ecological Catastrophe, Virtual Collapse of UK by End of 20th Century
1968: Overpopulation Will Spread Worldwide
1967: Dire Famine Forecast By 1975
1966: Oil Gone in Ten Years
I am all for conserving our resources and minimising pollution but not destroying our way of life on the basis of false claims of impending cataclysmic disasters
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Post by Fogg on May 23, 2022 22:52:54 GMT 12
Oops: HSBC suspends banker who joked 'who cares if Miami is underwater' mol.im/a/10844553 |
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