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Post by eri on Nov 30, 2022 16:04:47 GMT 12
according to prebble
labour REALLY REALLY need the maori seats
therefore they need to give maori more than they'll get from the maori party
and their maori caucus is dedicated to getting their pound of flesh
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Post by ComfortZone on Dec 3, 2022 8:37:35 GMT 12
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Post by eri on Dec 3, 2022 8:55:52 GMT 12
Labour MP Duncan Webb has taken this governance offensive beyond political targets into the Companies Act. His Member’s Bill was drawn in 2021 from the parliamentary ballot. It states that when determining the best interests of a company a director may recognise the principles of the Treaty of Waitangi. Apparently, this is designed to modernise governance. It boosts directors’ obligations beyond shareholders to other stakeholders. It is obvious such a provision will feed litigation against private companies by Māori claimants. Given partnership is a key Treaty principle, the mind boggles.
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Post by fish on Dec 3, 2022 10:51:37 GMT 12
Labour MP Duncan Webb has taken this governance offensive beyond political targets into the Companies Act. His Member’s Bill was drawn in 2021 from the parliamentary ballot. It states that when determining the best interests of a company a director may recognise the principles of the Treaty of Waitangi. Apparently, this is designed to modernise governance. It boosts directors’ obligations beyond shareholders to other stakeholders. It is obvious such a provision will feed litigation against private companies by Māori claimants. Given partnership is a key Treaty principle, the mind boggles. Point of order! Partnerships are not mentioned at all in the Treaty. The word partnership isn't mentioned. There is nothing in the actual Treaty that has anything about partnership. The tribe's chiefs are now saying they didn't understand what they were agreeing to, and what they meant, what they want, is something completely different to what they agreed to. Have a read of the actual Treaty, not the 'interpretations' but the actual words. nzhistory.govt.nz/politics/treaty/read-the-treaty/english-text
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Post by sloopjohnb on Dec 3, 2022 15:16:22 GMT 12
You known the old saying.
Get them an inch they take a mile.
And there's another saying but you will have to think of it yourselves.
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Post by ComfortZone on Dec 5, 2022 11:49:07 GMT 12
Dr Muriel Newman on the current state of the current treasonous government and its toxic leader www.nzcpr.com/who-is-actually-running-the-country/#more-37412quoting While Jacinda Ardern claims to be running the most ‘open and transparent’ government in New Zealand’s history, experience shows it is the least open and transparent government ever. Our Prime Minister not only failed to inform New Zealanders before the 2020 election that she was planning to replace democracy with tribal rule, but she even kept the He Puapua roadmap hidden from her Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters for the best part of a year. When she first became Prime Minister, Jacinda Ardern declined to tell New Zealanders that she was embedding the socialist objectives of the United Nations’ Agenda 2030 into our legislative and regulatory framework. We only became aware of what was going on when she boasted about her achievements to a Bill Gates Foundation gathering in New York. Chosen in 2014 to become a World Economic Forum Young Global Leader, Jacinda Ardern has not been upfront about what the WEF’s agenda of “building back better” entails for New Zealand. Is ‘co-governance’ what she means when she talks about introducing the “great reset”? Is it possible that Jacinda Ardern has herself entered into a “partnership” arrangement with iwi leaders that gives a free hand to Nanaia Muhuta and her cabal of Cabinet supporters to implement He Puapua? In other words, is New Zealand already being co-governed by the radical separatists in the Beehive?
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Post by eri on Dec 14, 2022 12:40:29 GMT 12
“The concept of partnership has got legs which it doesn’t deserve,” Graham said. Nobody had had the courage to argue against it or question the logic behind it. “So it has got away. I don’t think anybody is explaining what it means or where it takes us or the raison d’etre for the whole thing.” His view on the potential for difficulties over the partnership decision is not new. In a book he wrote 25 years ago, Trick or Treaty, about being Treaty Negotiations Minister, he said the courts and the Waitangi Tribunal were creating problems in describing the Treaty as a partnership, instead of like a partnership. “The Crown is not in partnership with Māori in running the country and it would be totally unacceptable in my view if this concept were to be pursued. It implies some sort of joint management with veto rights vested in each party. That cannot be the case.” In his interview, Graham said if it was the intention of the parties to the Treaty that henceforth New Zealand would be governed 50:50 Māori and the Crown, it would have said so. www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/co-governance-policy-jim-bolgers-challenge-to-jacinda-ardern/T53SLA5JOFDF3CU6E5SKCVLSYA/
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Post by Cantab on Dec 14, 2022 14:31:20 GMT 12
"In his interview, Graham said if it was the intention of the parties to the Treaty that henceforth New Zealand would be governed 50:50 Māori and the Crown, it would have said so."
and it would have happened 180 odd years ago
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Post by muzled on Dec 16, 2022 9:31:27 GMT 12
Was browsing f/b yesterday and saw a comment from a friend supporting a girl at the Kaipara protest who was holding a placard saying - RESIGN RACIST
Did a little more reading and learnt that there are christian and non christian karakia (I didn't know that). The one that was asked to be said at KDC was a christian one.
I'm struggling to see how the race card is being pulled here. Just because a white man says you can't say a prayer to the sky wizzard doesn't seem racist to me.
Why does racism have to come into it?
I get that the previous mayor had them. But just because one mayor did it for 6 years doesn't mean it's now a abosolute right.
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Post by fish on Dec 16, 2022 10:55:37 GMT 12
Was browsing f/b yesterday and saw a comment from a friend supporting a girl at the Kaipara protest who was holding a placard saying - RESIGN RACIST Did a little more reading and learnt that there are christian and non christian karakia (I didn't know that). The one that was asked to be said at KDC was a christian one. I'm struggling to see how the race card is being pulled here. Just because a white man says you can't say a prayer to the sky wizzard doesn't seem racist to me. Why does racism have to come into it? I get that the previous mayor had them. But just because one mayor did it for 6 years doesn't mean it's now a abosolute right. Its not racist. In my view it is the opposite. That you actively don't want to favour one race over any of the many others. The initial decision could probably have been communicated a bit better, it sounded a bit confrontational. It certainly appears to be a flash point now. There is a place for Tikunga, but I am a bit bemused why a pray needs to be said at the start of every meeting. A white male colleague said a Christian pray at a kick off meeting for a project I was working on. It caused all sorts of issues, particularly with a white female that had issues with the secular nature of the pray. There is a related issue in my kids schools (and all schools as far as I can tell). In classrooms they are saying 4 karakia a day. Now, I thought schools were supposed to be secular. That is why they can't have religious studies any more. Or worse, Bible instruction. Having Christianity in schools caused all sorts of issues. My boy currently thinks the world was created by a tree pushing his parents apart. I've discussed the school karakia issues with a teacher friend, and they are all just super pro Te Reo, mainly because the MoE says they have to be. She thought the majority of their karakia were not to gods. I'm not sure that is the entire point. They say one to give thanks for their lunch. i.e. to some nebulus being for providing them food. They really need to be saying thanks to their mother for making their fucking lunch. That is where the food comes from. I want my kids to learn personal responsibility. Study hard, get a good job so you can afford to by nutritious and yummy food. Don't expect to be given food by saying some mumbo-jumbo... Damn muzled, you've triggered me....
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Post by DuckMaster on Dec 16, 2022 11:22:15 GMT 12
But it is racism.
Craig Jepson is not only an elected councilor representing his area, but he is also manawhenua. Karakia has cultural significance at important meetings and his ignorance of this is racist.
Where does it end? Is he going to stop all of his sub-committees having Karakia? He is a leader and should be leading by example and recognizing the importance of Karakia to the community that elected him. Is there any more important meeting than the meeting of councilors that Karakia should be said at? I mean this is the most important meeting that council have. It's not like some sub-committee in the dungeon that skips Karakia because none of the Pakeha at the table know how to say one.
My company has started doing Karakia at the beginning of important meetings, many of you would call it Woke, but for the minority in the room it's really uplifting and costs the woke-believers nothing. I personally enjoy it.
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Post by muzled on Dec 16, 2022 11:42:19 GMT 12
But it is racism. Craig Jepson is not only an elected councilor representing his area, but he is also manawhenua. Karakia has cultural significance at important meetings and his ignorance of this is racist. Where does it end? Is he going to stop all of his sub-committees having Karakia? He is a leader and should be leading by example and recognizing the importance of Karakia to the community that elected him. Is there any more important meeting than the meeting of councilors that Karakia should be said at? I mean this is the most important meeting that council have. It's not like some sub-committee in the dungeon that skips Karakia because none of the Pakeha at the table know how to say one. My company has started doing Karakia at the beginning of important meetings, many of you would call it Woke, but for the minority in the room it's really uplifting and costs the woke-believers nothing. I personally enjoy it. Personally it's not a fight I would have picked. On some occasions I really enjoy them, on others I think they're a waste of time and pointless. ie - AT saying one at the start of every meeting. But to say he's racist because he didn't allow some preaching to the sky wizzard is wrong imo. (for all I know he might actually be, as Taika Waititi put it - racist as fuck. Or he might not). But I don't see how you can allow a karakia to be done while not allowing each other the other religions to have their bite of the cherry should they so want to. Which then comes back to his argument of keeping it secuar. Also, do you know he is ignorant of karakia and the cultural importance? Or has he just chosen to keep any form of religion out of council meetings? Two quite different things. As for you question, 'where does it end'? That's a good question, should every meeting be started with one? Or just important meetings? Lets now define an important meeting. Surely every meeting is important or you wouldn't bother having it in the first place...
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Post by fish on Dec 16, 2022 12:06:53 GMT 12
But it is racism. Craig Jepson is not only an elected councilor representing his area, but he is also manawhenua. Karakia has cultural significance at important meetings and his ignorance of this is racist. Where does it end? Is he going to stop all of his sub-committees having Karakia? He is a leader and should be leading by example and recognizing the importance of Karakia to the community that elected him. Is there any more important meeting than the meeting of councilors that Karakia should be said at? I mean this is the most important meeting that council have. It's not like some sub-committee in the dungeon that skips Karakia because none of the Pakeha at the table know how to say one. My company has started doing Karakia at the beginning of important meetings, many of you would call it Woke, but for the minority in the room it's really uplifting and costs the woke-believers nothing. I personally enjoy it. In that example, being ignorant is not being racist. I'm sure you can put an arguement that gross ignorance is offensive. But to me, I've always associated racism as being an un-founded bias against someone because of who they are. Racism has normally meant being subject to violence, extermination and discrimination. Clearly the burning neck tie type of racism has setttled down a bit, both in the US and in SA, but it an still happen. The discrimination thing, there is no active discrimination in NZ. This is legalised social segregation. No blacks in shops. Whites only schools etc. Much like how the unvaxed were / are discriminated against. No Dr's, nurses or teachers are allowed to be black. Sorry, unvaxxed. People argue that the unequal outcomes is racist. That isn't racist, but there is a good arguement to be had around equity and equaility. It would be fair to call the Mayor racist if he chucked out the Maori ward councillor on the basis she was Maori, or representing a race based ward. Or if he wouldn't let her speak at all. That would be racist. There is a flip side to all of this. How does saying a karakia actually help Maori? I'm talking in education, justice / prison stats, at my kids school in learning to read and write? I don't understand this. In my simple view, at my kids school, they should stop fucking around trying to teach 2 languages, and make sure all of the kids and read and write properly in one language. There are many exaples of trying to learn phonetics and spelling that get messed up because the vowels are all just a little different in Te Reo. Logic question, people say Maori kids under acheive and are behind in reading writing and maths. OK. But how does learning Te Reo help their reading, writing or maths? I'm all for good outcomes and equality, that is why I voted Labour twice. But I don't see the relationship.
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Post by DuckMaster on Dec 16, 2022 12:17:57 GMT 12
It's was the councils first meeting since the election - so a pretty significant one.
It was a 25 year tradition, started by another Paheka councilor. Karakia has been recognized as culturally significant and an important part of council for years!
Now there has been a compromise, the one thing Maori know about is compromises, they have been compromising to Pakeha wishes for 184 years.
A white man has come and taken away another thing from the Maori.
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Post by DuckMaster on Dec 16, 2022 12:27:45 GMT 12
It's racism disguised as democracy, hiding behind secularism.
Why does he have the right to declare the council meeting secular?
Te Tiriti o Waitangi gaurantees Maori cultural expression.
Local Government are REQUIRED to uphold Treaty of Waitangi principles in their spaces and decision-making.
Banning Karakia is a breach of Te Tiriti o Waitangi.
It's a racist act to suppress entitlements.
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