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Post by eri on Mar 30, 2022 12:53:04 GMT 12
Act leader David Seymour is proposing a referendum on the principles of the Treaty of Waitangi. While Seymour is right that Labour has no mandate to implement co-governance, his solution of a referendum is not the answer.
With almost no debate, Labour has adopted a radical reinterpretation of the Treaty as a partnership to justify co-governance. With co-governance, there is no democratic accountability when half the power is held by those who do not have to answer to the electorate.
Co-governance was not in Labour's manifesto.
Labour ministers hid from its coalition partner He Puapua - a report that could result in co-governance being extended. Work on this radical document is continuing.
Now Labour has an absolute majority and ministers have put the Treaty as a partnership at the heart of the government. It is paralysing policy. How can MΔori be part of both the Crown and the other partner?...As David Lange put it: "Did Queen Victoria for a moment think of forming a partnership with a number of thumb prints and 500 people?"In the hearings to appoint Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson to the US Supreme Court, a Senator asked what the solution was when the court misunderstands what Congress intended? The Judge replied that in that case Congress should amend the law to make its intention clear.
We should follow the judge's advice. Parliament has legislated that courts apply the principles of the Treaty. Parliament should now set out that those principles are what were agreed in 1840.Instead of a referendum, Act should campaign that Parliament legislate that the principles of the Treaty of Waitangi are those in the Treaty:namely,
the Crown has sovereignty,
the Crown guarantees property rights
and everyone has the same rights of New Zealand citizenship.
When Parliament does that we can again repeat Governor Hobson's words: "He iwi kotahi tΔtou: now we are one people".www.nzherald.co.nz/business/richard-prebble-the-problem-with-labours-co-governance-there-is-no-democratic-accountability/EYZEJCDVXUT42ODZ3OFCZMZCOA/
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Post by eri on Mar 30, 2022 19:47:27 GMT 12
nothing to fear from co-governance except when grudges are held and grudges are ALWAYS held Police Minister Poto Williams has refused to let National's police spokesman meet the Commissioner or any district commanders, saying cops are too busy for him.Mark Mitchell took over the National police portfolio late last year and has cried foul over Williams' repeated refusals of his requests.The Opposition MP and Williams also had a feisty exchange in the House today, where the minister accused former cop Mitchell of "disrespecting" police.Williams had allowed Mitchell's colleague Simeon Brown to meet police when he was the spokesman.Brown met Police Commissioner Andrew Coster and district commanders in December 2020, soon after the last election.But Mitchell's attempts to secure initial meetings have been rebuffed.Asked why she rejected Mitchell but not Brown, Williams said she knew that was of concern to Mitchell, but it was for her to make decisions on a case-by-case basis.
"I think the police have been quite busy in the last few months, so in this case I've decided [against it].
"[Mitchell] thinks that somehow, he's taking this personally. Simeon Brown was given permission...You can appreciate the last few weeks have been extraordinarily busy for police."She said police had not told her they were too busy for a meeting but "as Minister of Police I have an understanding of what police are going through at the moment".
Williams yesterday rejected Mitchell's request to meet the commissioner and district commanders.www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/police-minister-blocks-mp-from-meeting-commanders-says-cops-too-busy/N4XRDMKIRKZGGQYNEQWE3Q3N4U/ |
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Post by dp on Mar 30, 2022 20:03:31 GMT 12
So after many sausage rolls, expensive dinners $500 a night hotels, Koha stretching into the tens of thousands, no doubts payoff and grafting that we will never see, we have a name for the transmission gully highway. Te Ara Nui o Te Rangihaeata . I nice little mouthful to join everything that just has to have a MΔori name is this country from roads to trains to buildings, even to that bastion of indigenous efforts team fucking new zealands boat. Since the woke took over nothing in this country is allowed to be known by anything but a made up name. Look forward to the media embracing it in every release and nobody ever referring to it as anything other than transmission gully
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Post by OLD ROPE π on Mar 30, 2022 21:01:00 GMT 12
Just watch the exodus of good kiwis leave. Nothing but division, crime, lie productivity... and racism will come out if this governments 2 terms.
I've just booked. My tickets to explore Europe for three months looking at property. Leaving may 10Th πππππππππ
Why would ya stay?
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Post by fish on Mar 31, 2022 9:47:32 GMT 12
So after many sausage rolls, expensive dinners $500 a night hotels, Koha stretching into the tens of thousands, no doubts payoff and grafting that we will never see, we have a name for the transmission gully highway. Te Ara Nui o Te Rangihaeata . I nice little mouthful to join everything that just has to have a MΔori name is this country from roads to trains to buildings, even to that bastion of indigenous efforts team fucking new zealands boat. Since the woke took over nothing in this country is allowed to be known by anything but a made up name. Look forward to the media embracing it in every release and nobody ever referring to it as anything other than transmission gully I'm struggling with this. Why wouldn't it be called 'State Highway 1'? So next time there is a crash and diversions in place, instead of saying "SH1 is closed, take detour SH37 from Pie-cock..." they will say "The pathway of the Ancestor Rangi up the spin of the fish of Muai is closed" - and everyone will think - thats fine, it doesn't affect me, I'm on SH1.... |
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Post by fish on Mar 31, 2022 9:53:41 GMT 12
I think this whole co-governance thing will be the defining election issue. It is a very big deal, and has wide ranging impact across our society. Easily the same magnitude as the foreshore and seabed issue. Already impacting the Health reforms, 3 waters / asset grab, housing, transport, governance of the Huaraki Gulf, what have I missed?
I am impressed ACT has raised and is leading the issue. Luxon looks dead in the water. National needs the 8 Maori seats (or at least needs to neutralize Labour's 7 seat head start) and will be running for them for the first time since 2008. So how can be court the Maori seats while taking a strong line on co-governance?
It is one of those topics that isn't easy to talk about, easy to be called racist when you are ask to not have race based privilege... which I always thought was the definition of racist.
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Post by dp on Mar 31, 2022 10:42:48 GMT 12
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Post by OLD ROPE π on Mar 31, 2022 13:45:38 GMT 12
Laws, regs, taxes, inflation gang crime, emptying of prisons, slak police, housing cluster fuck, Ardern, health and education issues, weak opposition, Ardern, pending depression...
Get out while you still have your shirt, and a virgin bum hole!!!...
Discover the world, the people and the difference, before you die of stress.. or home invasion!!!
The grass is greener...
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Post by OLD ROPE π on Mar 31, 2022 13:47:15 GMT 12
Laws, regs, taxes, inflation gang crime, emptying of prisons, slak police, housing cluster fuck, Ardern, health and education issues, weak opposition, Ardern, pending depression...
Get out while you still have your shirt, and a virgin bum hole!!!...
Discover the world, the people and the difference, before you die of stress.. or home invasion!!!
The grass is greener...
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Post by armchairadmiral on Mar 31, 2022 17:03:47 GMT 12
NZ has had co - governance since the introduction of MMP barring this last term where we NZ moved to a Communist dictatorship. All have been an unmitigated disaster each term building on the last as the prime political disaster. This latest proposal will be the crowning glory and the end of NZ before maori takeover. For that's what is destined to happen. And National nor anyone else will have the balls to repeal it. Sadly ,I concur with you all. Most of us,bar the chosen few ,are stuffed. And it looks like Oz is the next Domino on the Communist list to fall. Good luck to those departing there. We've lived there and it's both good and bad. And different !
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2022 2:57:36 GMT 12
what a fucken joke. Just remind me why the white mans building of this once great nations history, and supporting many useless Maori, is wrong and worth the obliteration of it's history just for Maoris ego gratification of there own rather poor recent history of take take take! Or is that ta'ke ta'ke ta'ke |
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Post by fish on Apr 1, 2022 9:08:13 GMT 12
So I'm keen for some objective consideration of a few things.
Maori claim most of their problems are due to colonisation.
Someone mentioned that Maori did not use a wheel (this is of course pre European). I'm sure there are other examples of simple machines and tools that were and weren't used, like ramps and levers.
So, what would Maori NZ look like if europeans never arrived and weren't ever colonised?
What examples are there of similar indigenous peoples that weren't colonised?
While I don't know the full history, the best I can come up with is the Solomon Islands and Vanuatu.
There may be better examples around, but my knowledge of colonial history of the Pacific is a bit shaky. I would want to check places like Kiribati, the Marshall Islands and a few places like that.
Globally, I aren't aware of any other examples. Feugan Indians, Eskimos, Aust Aboriginals etc are all highly impacted by colonisation.
Fairly sure it was either the Solomons or Vanuatu (or somewhere around there) that anthropologists have studied the difference between western diets and lifestyles on life expectancy, because those areas were 'original' in their community structure and practices. Both examples have a good level of natural resources also, I'd say on a par with NZ.
So, using the Solomons as a basis, what how would Maori be fairing if they weren't colonised?
Note, I'm keen to keep this objective, as opposed to overtly racist.
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Post by em on Apr 1, 2022 10:55:06 GMT 12
I think itβs a bit hard to compare because the melanesians are a very different race to the Polynesians . It seems like the Polynesians had a better grasp of navigation and trade and were pretty good at earthworks too so they probably wouldβve had transmission gully sorted before WW2 , won the first edition of the whitbread race and had a free trade agreement with Japan in the 1950s.
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Post by OLD ROPE π on Apr 1, 2022 11:40:00 GMT 12
So I'm keen for some objective consideration of a few things. Maori claim most of their problems are due to colonisation. Someone mentioned that Maori did not use a wheel (this is of course pre European). I'm sure there are other examples of simple machines and tools that were and weren't used, like ramps and levers. So, what would Maori NZ look like if europeans never arrived and weren't ever colonised? What examples are there of similar indigenous peoples that weren't colonised? While I don't know the full history, the best I can come up with is the Solomon Islands and Vanuatu. There may be better examples around, but my knowledge of colonial history of the Pacific is a bit shaky. I would want to check places like Kiribati, the Marshall Islands and a few places like that. Globally, I aren't aware of any other examples. Feugan Indians, Eskimos, Aust Aboriginals etc are all highly impacted by colonisation. Fairly sure it was either the Solomons or Vanuatu (or somewhere around there) that anthropologists have studied the difference between western diets and lifestyles on life expectancy, because those areas were 'original' in their community structure and practices. Both examples have a good level of natural resources also, I'd say on a par with NZ. So, using the Solomons as a basis, what how would Maori be fairing if they weren't colonised? Note, I'm keen to keep this objective, as opposed to overtly racist. I to are interested in what the Fark is the real reason for Maoris poor stats in every measurement. It not colonists. I don't think the social welfare system helps thier issues. Its more a dependentcy crutch. |
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Post by dp on Apr 1, 2022 12:02:41 GMT 12
..... had a free trade agreement with Japan in the 1950s. Agreed, they had a free trade agreement with Australia long before CER. Shrunken heads for muskets, 40000 dead. |
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