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Post by ComfortZone on Apr 1, 2022 15:19:03 GMT 12
So I'm keen for some objective consideration of a few things. Maori claim most of their problems are due to colonisation. Note, I'm keen to keep this objective, as opposed to overtly racist. I to are interested in what the Fark is the real reason for Maoris poor stats in every measurement. It not colonists. I don't think the social welfare system helps thier issues. Its more a dependentcy crutch. some of the answers to your questions are here www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/lindsay-mitchell-glossing-over-growing-benefit-numbersI lived in Western Australia for nearly 20yrs working in heavy construction and there were plenty of Maori's on the job. They worked as hard as anyone else, and partied just as hard too. Talking to a few the common theme was they left NZ because they wanted a better life and just saw themselves being held back in NZ by their own people. How many successful Maoris do you see standing up and saying to their own "I got where I am by getting off my arse and working hard, you need to do the same". No. no, it's all about racism, inequality, colonial whatever. If there are no role models to look up to, who is going to look to put in the hard yards to improve their situation |
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Post by OLD ROPE 👀 on Apr 1, 2022 17:20:30 GMT 12
One thing I know... The more you do for someone the less they do for themselves.
If we are to carry some guilt... It would be doing to much for them thus making them do stuff all for them self .
In the 6os there where very little issues with race. Now it a billion dollar tax free Maori cartel
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Post by ComfortZone on Apr 5, 2022 8:38:16 GMT 12
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Post by eri on Apr 5, 2022 9:31:00 GMT 12
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2022 19:02:00 GMT 12
14000 people drilling into everything, micro managing non issues, regulating industries for something to do, making nothing out of something, changing for the sake of change, and all to justify thier high salaries. 20 years ago the private sector paid more than the public sector. Now it's the other way around, 14000 people with a focus on poor results, no KPIs, and no accountability |
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Post by fish on Apr 5, 2022 20:06:45 GMT 12
I'm really struggling with that 14,000 new Bureaucrats number. Surely that is not right?
Would that be that the number has risen to 14,000 total?
Compare 14,000 to the size of any big NZ company, 14,000 would dwarf it.
Not to mention, if you created 14,000 jobs in Welly, all sorts of things would get screwed up. Housing demand, office space, parking, public transport capacity etc
I simply can't imagine where all these people came from, and where you would put them. The shear numbers of new IT equipment, office chairs etc by itself would have made headlines.
That is without asking what they do?
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Post by eri on Apr 5, 2022 21:04:42 GMT 12
He seemed to be referring to 14,000 additional public sector employees hired since 2017, a topic his colleague Simeon Brown raised in the House last year.
Simeon Brown: Does the Minister stand by his statement in May regarding pay and workforce expectations and the need for value for money when there has been a 49 percent increase in taxpayer funding for public servants in Wellington since 2017 when Kiwis are facing worse outcomes in education, hospital wait times, and police response times?Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: First of all, I think the member confuses where those public servants are based and the nature of the work that they are undertaking. Not all of those public servants are based in Wellington. In fact, a large number of them are spread throughout the country. It includes greater front-line staff for the Ministry of Education, for example, who provide direct support to schools and to children to improve educational outcomes that he has just mentioned. It does include the people working for Ministry of Social Development and the IRD, providing, amongst other things, the wage subsidy, which has kept the economy alive over the last 18 months. It includes extra people working at Oranga Tamariki to provide support and care to some of our most vulnerable children and families. The list of those examples could go on. The members opposite may want to call them bureaucrats; we call them public servants.
Simeon Brown: How many of the 14,000 additional public sector employees that have been employed since 2017 are employed directly as part of the COVID response, and isn't it true that the headcount had already increased by 5,000 before COVID hit?
Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: It depends, ultimately, how you calculate that. Somewhere between 40 percent to half of the overall number accounts for response to COVID. So that includes people working in things like managed isolation and quarantine, it includes extra people working at the border, the people running the vaccination campaign, the people doing contact tracing, the people managing testing, the people delivering the wage subsidy, and all of those other COVID-19 directly related initiatives. There's a mix of permanent and short-term staffing involved in those numbers.Simeon Brown: Why did the Government hire over 500 new public service managers in the last year but not invest in adding ICU beds until month 21 of the pandemic?Simeon Brown: How does the almost doubling of the number of public service employees earning over $400,000 per year show "pay restraint" as required by the Public Service Commissioner's guidance to Public Service agencies in 2020?
Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: I think one of the things we need to do is recognise that the nature of some of the roles being undertaken has changed and that we are ultimately recruiting in a competitive market for those people at senior levels of the Public Service.www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/document/HansS_20211208_051420000/11-question-no-11-public-serviceapparently because we're still in RED light the politicians don't have to come to wellington so it's now much, much harder to ask them difficult questions/hold them to account could that be part of why these incompetent fools are in no hurry to move to orange? "it's as though this Labour Government's wrapped in a red flag. Their politicians don't have to come to Wellington. Daily they beam in from wherever they are, posing patsy questions to their ministers on the big screen erected in the debating chamber.
It means they are kept away from the pesky media, who usually gather to ask them questions on their way into their caucus meetings. But they haven't been here for many weeks now."www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/barry-soper-prime-minister-jacinda-arderns-traffic-light-announcement-a-familiar-meaningless-sermon/VEDTUQCGNGL6ABTPM5NXVVGLIA/
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Post by fish on Apr 5, 2022 21:43:02 GMT 12
He seemed to be referring to 14,000 additional public sector employees hired since 2017, a topic his colleague Simeon Brown raised in the House last year.
Simeon Brown: Does the Minister stand by his statement in May regarding pay and workforce expectations and the need for value for money when there has been a 49 percent increase in taxpayer funding for public servants in Wellington since 2017 when Kiwis are facing worse outcomes in education, hospital wait times, and police response times?Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: First of all, I think the member confuses where those public servants are based and the nature of the work that they are undertaking. Not all of those public servants are based in Wellington. In fact, a large number of them are spread throughout the country. It includes greater front-line staff for the Ministry of Education, for example, who provide direct support to schools and to children to improve educational outcomes that he has just mentioned. It does include the people working for Ministry of Social Development and the IRD, providing, amongst other things, the wage subsidy, which has kept the economy alive over the last 18 months. It includes extra people working at Oranga Tamariki to provide support and care to some of our most vulnerable children and families. The list of those examples could go on. The members opposite may want to call them bureaucrats; we call them public servants.
Simeon Brown: How many of the 14,000 additional public sector employees that have been employed since 2017 are employed directly as part of the COVID response, and isn't it true that the headcount had already increased by 5,000 before COVID hit?
Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: It depends, ultimately, how you calculate that. Somewhere between 40 percent to half of the overall number accounts for response to COVID. So that includes people working in things like managed isolation and quarantine, it includes extra people working at the border, the people running the vaccination campaign, the people doing contact tracing, the people managing testing, the people delivering the wage subsidy, and all of those other COVID-19 directly related initiatives. There's a mix of permanent and short-term staffing involved in those numbers.Simeon Brown: Why did the Government hire over 500 new public service managers in the last year but not invest in adding ICU beds until month 21 of the pandemic?Simeon Brown: How does the almost doubling of the number of public service employees earning over $400,000 per year show "pay restraint" as required by the Public Service Commissioner's guidance to Public Service agencies in 2020?
Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: I think one of the things we need to do is recognise that the nature of some of the roles being undertaken has changed and that we are ultimately recruiting in a competitive market for those people at senior levels of the Public Service.www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/document/HansS_20211208_051420000/11-question-no-11-public-serviceapparently because we're still in RED light the politicians don't have to come to wellington so it's now much, much hard to ask them difficult questions/hold them to account could that be part of why these incompetent fools are in no hurry to move to orange? "it's as though this Labour Government's wrapped in a red flag. Their politicians don't have to come to Wellington. Daily they beam in from wherever they are, posing patsy questions to their ministers on the big screen erected in the debating chamber.
It means they are kept away from the pesky media, who usually gather to ask them questions on their way into their caucus meetings. But they haven't been here for many weeks now."www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/barry-soper-prime-minister-jacinda-arderns-traffic-light-announcement-a-familiar-meaningless-sermon/VEDTUQCGNGL6ABTPM5NXVVGLIA/ Dear God! That has put me in a bad mood. How can it be the nurses are overworked and understaffed, but there are 14,000 additional "public sector workers" as Hipkins calls them? No new ICU bed capacity until month 21 of the pandemic, but an almost doubling of public sector employees earning over $400k ($400k is a lot of money, even for high earning professionals...) |
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Post by OLD ROPE 👀 on Apr 6, 2022 11:13:51 GMT 12
What pisses me of is these 14000 new bureaucrats are in charge of telling us productivity is declining yet these 14000 bureaucrats, along with the hundreds of thousands of other Government employees, are the least productive people in New Zealand. For example just look at all the Maori protocol these public leaches are engaged with during the working day - they stop for hours When guests arrive, employees leave, employees have a birthday, a meeting starts, and general Maori greetings. These " treaty 🙄 obligations" are compromising on these people ability to complete an 8-hour day that the private sector have to do as a bare minimum. A mate of mine that works for the department of labour, or whatever it's called these days, last week he lost 17 hours to Maori protocol. Most of it involve greetings and some kind of blessing of the food in meetings as well as the meeting itself. New Zealand is slipping down the productivity ratings and will soon be heading towards Bangladesh if we keep getting more public employees doing more Huey than Dewey. So when these c@nts tell us to do blah blah blah... Tell the to take a flying fuck and do 5 years work on in the highly taxed private sector Q: does every government department pay tax on thier earning and go bankrupt when they Lose money.. IE AirNZ's billion dollars bailout. worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/most-productive-countries |
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Post by ComfortZone on Apr 7, 2022 11:46:01 GMT 12
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Post by OLD ROPE 👀 on Apr 7, 2022 15:37:02 GMT 12
He seemed to be referring to 14,000 additional public sector employees hired since 2017, a topic his colleague Simeon Brown raised in the House last year.
Simeon Brown: Does the Minister stand by his statement in May regarding pay and workforce expectations and the need for value for money when there has been a 49 percent increase in taxpayer funding for public servants in Wellington since 2017 when Kiwis are facing worse outcomes in education, hospital wait times, and police response times?Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: First of all, I think the member confuses where those public servants are based and the nature of the work that they are undertaking. Not all of those public servants are based in Wellington. In fact, a large number of them are spread throughout the country. It includes greater front-line staff for the Ministry of Education, for example, who provide direct support to schools and to children to improve educational outcomes that he has just mentioned. It does include the people working for Ministry of Social Development and the IRD, providing, amongst other things, the wage subsidy, which has kept the economy alive over the last 18 months. It includes extra people working at Oranga Tamariki to provide support and care to some of our most vulnerable children and families. The list of those examples could go on. The members opposite may want to call them bureaucrats; we call them public servants.
Simeon Brown: How many of the 14,000 additional public sector employees that have been employed since 2017 are employed directly as part of the COVID response, and isn't it true that the headcount had already increased by 5,000 before COVID hit?
Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: It depends, ultimately, how you calculate that. Somewhere between 40 percent to half of the overall number accounts for response to COVID. So that includes people working in things like managed isolation and quarantine, it includes extra people working at the border, the people running the vaccination campaign, the people doing contact tracing, the people managing testing, the people delivering the wage subsidy, and all of those other COVID-19 directly related initiatives. There's a mix of permanent and short-term staffing involved in those numbers.Simeon Brown: Why did the Government hire over 500 new public service managers in the last year but not invest in adding ICU beds until month 21 of the pandemic?Simeon Brown: How does the almost doubling of the number of public service employees earning over $400,000 per year show "pay restraint" as required by the Public Service Commissioner's guidance to Public Service agencies in 2020?
Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: I think one of the things we need to do is recognise that the nature of some of the roles being undertaken has changed and that we are ultimately recruiting in a competitive market for those people at senior levels of the Public Service.www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/document/HansS_20211208_051420000/11-question-no-11-public-serviceapparently because we're still in RED light the politicians don't have to come to wellington so it's now much, much hard to ask them difficult questions/hold them to account could that be part of why these incompetent fools are in no hurry to move to orange? "it's as though this Labour Government's wrapped in a red flag. Their politicians don't have to come to Wellington. Daily they beam in from wherever they are, posing patsy questions to their ministers on the big screen erected in the debating chamber.
It means they are kept away from the pesky media, who usually gather to ask them questions on their way into their caucus meetings. But they haven't been here for many weeks now."www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/barry-soper-prime-minister-jacinda-arderns-traffic-light-announcement-a-familiar-meaningless-sermon/VEDTUQCGNGL6ABTPM5NXVVGLIA/ Dear God! That has put me in a bad mood. How can it be the nurses are overworked and understaffed, but there are 14,000 additional "public sector workers" as Hipkins calls them? No new ICU bed capacity until month 21 of the pandemic, but an almost doubling of public sector employees earning over $400k ($400k is a lot of money, even for high earning professionals...) God here. I'll see what I can do 😜 |
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Post by ComfortZone on Apr 11, 2022 19:24:35 GMT 12
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Post by ComfortZone on Apr 18, 2022 9:38:33 GMT 12
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Post by eri on Apr 18, 2022 13:07:56 GMT 12
have made submission
makes sense that institutional racism promotes civil war
it certainly pisses people off to be judged nit by their actions
but by the colour of their skin
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Post by deleted on Apr 18, 2022 20:57:43 GMT 12
The level of racism on this site has become unacceptable
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