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Post by muzled on Jan 23, 2024 10:52:00 GMT 12
Where does the madness stop??? The Nats might want to break away from ACT and hold another general election and see if the can govern alone.This is all ACTS doing. www.1news.co.nz/2024/01/23/far-north-iwi-planning-to-stop-decades-old-fishing-competition/Ngāti Kahu took to social media overnight posting a picture of the fishing competition signage with a red cross through the flyer. Underneath it says “Ngāti Kahu holds ultimate authority over our tribal territories from the Rangaunu Harbour across to Tokerau moana, the whole of Doubtless Bay. “We are upholding our Ngāti Kahu Tikanga/Customs to protect our environment, resources and our food source. Fish stock have decreased dramatically in the last 10 years. This is caused from over fishing,” the post said. It said there’s also been no consultation at all between the organisers of this event and Ngāti Kahu. The post goes on to say the stance from Ngāti Kahu is also in response to the government's proposal "to abolish Te Tiriti o Waitangi". It's nothing to do with ACT, it's just them waving their cocks about and asserting who has the biggest one. Mate who lives up north said some local iwi tried to close a boatramp up there over xmas. They got told where to go and it was business as usual. If the TAB were offering odds on shit flaring up, Northland prob pay about $1.02... Edit - just read the story. Genius.... The fishing competition, which is also referred to as the Fishing Classic, has been running for more than 40 years in the area and is expected to have around 500 competitors. The event is scheduled for the 27th and 28th with a prize pool totalling $30,000. Fish are auctioned off with all profits going to the local community. |
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Post by fish on Jan 23, 2024 12:59:26 GMT 12
Where does the madness stop??? The Nats might want to break away from ACT and hold another general election and see if the can govern alone.This is all ACTS doing. www.1news.co.nz/2024/01/23/far-north-iwi-planning-to-stop-decades-old-fishing-competition/Ngāti Kahu took to social media overnight posting a picture of the fishing competition signage with a red cross through the flyer. Underneath it says “Ngāti Kahu holds ultimate authority over our tribal territories from the Rangaunu Harbour across to Tokerau moana, the whole of Doubtless Bay. “We are upholding our Ngāti Kahu Tikanga/Customs to protect our environment, resources and our food source. Fish stock have decreased dramatically in the last 10 years. This is caused from over fishing,” the post said. It said there’s also been no consultation at all between the organisers of this event and Ngāti Kahu. The post goes on to say the stance from Ngāti Kahu is also in response to the government's proposal "to abolish Te Tiriti o Waitangi". It is shit like this why we need a referendum. Perhaps a referendum is the right way. In the past there have been arms conflicts, wars and genocide. I'd think a referendum is more appropriate. The govt has the right to govern, including setting fishing limits, not some jumps up lazy sods that claim they were 'here first'. Maybe I'm the wrong demographic, but I'm a bit bemused what all the fuss is about on the natives side. Nothing has been proposed yet, the main coalition partner has said they wont support it, but none of the tribes want anyone else to even talk about it. But in all seriousness, Ngati Kahu are being entirely counterproductive. It is like a law of physics, equal and opposite reactions. If they go throwing their weight around, people will push back. If they threaten to close an entire marine area, then people will mobilise to support the referendum. Do they not understand this? |
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Post by harrytom on Jan 24, 2024 4:00:12 GMT 12
Did watch the news and YES the community benefits from profits,Shane Jones spoke in favour,what else cold he say? No mention of commercial fishing right up to the beach,have heard and seen footage of vessels working the area,but guess they are allowed being maori fishing companies,moana/aotea fisheries.
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Post by ComfortZone on Jan 24, 2024 8:43:42 GMT 12
this is a comment from BFD's general debate this morning
I hear that a fishing competition that apparently has taken place for decades now is in peril because Northern locals claim indigenous authority over lands and waters and intend to block access to their taonga.
The "John Popata" issuing the threats expressed similar grievances back in 2009 when he pleaded guilty to assaulting John Key at Waitangi.
The gist was that Key was being welcomed onto the Marae when the Popata brothers grabbed and manhandled him because he was causing loss of Maori foreshore and was killing rangatihi (young people), so was not welcome on the Marae.
In court, John Popata and his brother were supported by multiple Northern kaumatua and public figures including his Uncle Hone Harawira. All John wanted was to have a conversation, but things had gotten out of hand and he was a good person.
According to lawyer Sykes, the pair was concerned that Maori activism was dying away and things were becoming too peaceful, so they felt obliged to involve themselves. One of the Kaumatua informed the court that the assaults might breach Colonial law, but did not breach Maori lore. After multiple apologies and rationalizations, the pair was sentenced to 100 hours each of community service.
John Popata was back in court in 2011 for another conviction for assault, this time of some schoolboys who had witnessed a drunken shop robbery by two of Popata's nephews. Perhaps this was because the schoolboys were prepared to breach Tikanga and kill rangatihi by giving evidence against them.
You might think this would qualify John Popata for a race relations advisory role under previous government, and you would be correct. A cynic might wonder whether these latest affronts are because Mr Popata perceives the gravy train coming to an end, so feels a need to intervene again.
Northern Kaumatua may say his is not an official position but after decades of excusing this sort of misbehaviour, they need to accept some of the responsibility for this ongoing division and strife.
Were the shoe on the other foot, there would be wall-to-wall expressions of fear and demands for fortifications and legions of Police in attendance, even for the Army to intervene. The Disinformation Project would be producing copious gobbledygook and graphs showing why cis white men are responsible for the violence in the world. Luxon would be quivering in fear every day at the likely consequences of visiting Waitangi, pointing out that while everybody claims they get the worst abuse online, in real life it's mostly conservative politicians who get assaulted, mostly white, and mostly men apart from Queen Elizabeth herself who had a urine-soaked T-Shirt thrown at her by two aroha-filled lovelies.
Waitangi would have to be fortified, as Wellington did when it quivered in fear at the approach of the marauding Destiny Church. Every opportunity would be taken to demonize the other side to prevent adult discussion.
Except that the conservatives want adult discussion and even propose a referendum to prove it- which itself is used as an excuse for more misbehaviour by thugs and miscreants. It's easy to blame the last government, but actually there's a minority that has been thoroughly spoiled under successive Uniparty governments and now need a few terms of common sense and invitation to contribute back to society if NZ is to remain a First World country.
People here might recall back in COVID times John Latimer and his mates were blockading access to the Karikari Peninsula. I was advised by a Kerkeri local that the cuzzies took full advantage of this blockade to burgle many of the baches located on the peninsula, with the tacit acceptance by the police!
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Post by muzled on Jan 26, 2024 12:40:06 GMT 12
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Post by harrytom on Jan 27, 2024 4:25:13 GMT 12
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Post by harrytom on Jan 27, 2024 4:33:59 GMT 12
So the English version null and void?? |
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Post by GO30 on Jan 27, 2024 9:09:59 GMT 12
Which Treaty, there are more than one.
The current grizzle seems to be about many confusing the 1840 Treaty of Waitangi with the 1975 Treaty of Wellington. It is the latter the 'principals' come from.
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Post by Cantab on Jan 27, 2024 13:43:34 GMT 12
Found this on twitter, quite like the perspective, my emphasis:
"Good news. You're firmly in the 'white people are racists' camp. It might surprise you to know that 'white' isn't a race. We don't have meetings. We don't wear special jewellery. Our ethnicity is irrelevant. And we're smart enough to know just how tiny a proportion of Maori descendants you actually represent. Do you despise the non Maori portion of your ethnicity? If not, why not? Fortunately the gravy train is nearly done. Good riddance to neo Maoridom. It's a cancer."
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Post by muzled on Jan 30, 2024 11:44:06 GMT 12
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Post by ComfortZone on Feb 2, 2024 7:51:54 GMT 12
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Post by eri on Feb 2, 2024 10:33:51 GMT 12
^
hits the nail right on the head
The problem is: “abandoning democracy” is exactly what a growing proportion of what passes for the Left in 2024 wants to do.
Only by getting rid of democracy’s open-ended promises can the “correct” ideas be assured of winning through.
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Post by eri on Feb 2, 2024 10:44:43 GMT 12
rankin Essentially, what is supposed to happen is that much resource goes into these funded governance structures, and it is meant to trickle-down to the leverage group of disadvantaged people.
The result in practice is that Left governments consume large slices of the national income, while achieving very little for the disadvantaged groups ostensibly being served.
Trickle-down never worked.
Instead the result is too much political superstructure and too little ballast. Government becomes top-heavy.
(These same principles apply to the under-provision – and particularly the lack of maintenance – of physical infrastructure as well.
Hence all the water leaks from neglected pipes, and potholes across the roading network; pipes are ballast, and potholes are examples of missing ballast.
Gold-plated schemes are created and discarded.)
Māori are important to Aotearoa New Zealand, not because of their ‘race’ but because they were Aotearoa’s first boat people.
The Tiriti is not about ethnicity – though it is about indigeneity – and people who want to continue discussing its principles are not racist.
Separatist agendas based on distinguishing individual Aotearoans on the basis of their race – their ethnicity, their ancestry – are racist.
eveningreport.nz/2024/02/01/keith-rankin-analysis-collective-versus-individual-maori-versus-maoris/ |
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Post by muzled on Feb 2, 2024 10:47:19 GMT 12
Not really co-governance but I'm wondering if senor Rua see's the irony in his comment about being a slave for the crown... www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/02/no_public_servant_abuse_ministers_even_at_huis.htmlThe Herald reported:
A speaker accused of insulting New Zealand First's Winston Peters and Shane Jones during the annual political pilgrimage to Rātana is being investigated by the government department he works for.
Statistics New Zealand has confirmed it is looking into “a potential conflict [of interest] of a Stats NZ employee who spoke at Rātana Pā”.
In his address last wednesday, Rua condemned deputy Peters and Cabinet minister Jones as taurekareka (slaves) for the Crown and said Jones had turned his back on Māori.
This is clearly unacceptable. You could make a case for a public servants, in a private capacity, to be allowed to raise concerns about government policy at a meeting or hui. But to think you can call Ministers slaves is clearly unacceptable.
This needs to be taken extremely seriously. In the United States we have seen a distressing fall in confidence in important institutions such as the legal system, the electoral system., the public service etc. If authorities want to avoid the same happening in New Zealand, they have to be rigorous in ensuring public servants do not act in a manner which undermines neutrality.
The same goes for all those public servants leaking cabinet papers. i've never seen so many leaks, presumably by public servants, trying to take down a Minister. Again, the authorities need to be finding those responsible, and taking action. |
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Post by ComfortZone on Feb 5, 2024 20:07:05 GMT 12
Right on the money..  |
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