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Post by fish on May 7, 2024 9:31:07 GMT 12
From Peters on FB; On Wednesday last week Māori Party MP Mariameno Kapa-Kingi gave a general debate speech in the House with this opening sentence, “No matter my words today, the Government will not waver in its mission to exterminate Māori.” She went on to say, “The theory of the Minister is that Oranga Tamariki’s governing principles should be colour-blind, which is just another word for white supremacy, because to say we are all one people is really to say we should all be white people.” And “The Government’s reasons to take it away can be summed up in a few short words: racism and Pakeha supremacy.” These ignorant and offensive accusations leave little to the imagination about the mindset of Kapa-Kingi, her party, and the rest of her fellow cultural travellers - she doesn’t care about what she said, how offensive it is, or how bereft of fact it is. Kapa-Kingi is either dangerously ignorant or she believes what she said is true. The most frightening thing is its probably both. By the Māori Party’s own proclamations, the number of Māori in New Zealand total anywhere up to 20% of the population. So why do they think their 3% party vote allows them to speak on behalf of all Māori? It doesn’t. The Coalition Government’s Cabinet has the largest number of Māori on record. Just because the Māori Party arrogantly choose to walk into parliament with Huia feathers on their heads and use every speech to repeat ‘colonisation’, ‘oppression’, and ‘white man’s guilt’, doesn’t give them a claim to speak on behalf of Māori – nor do the majority of Māori want them to. Great Māori leaders of the past like Carroll, Ngata, Pomare, and Buck believed in representing all Māori across New Zealand with a pan-Māori view - working together with all New Zealanders. The Māori Party today are saying “if you are Māori and don’t think like us you aren’t really Māori.” It shows just how far down the ‘race-based rabbit hole’ these cultural Marxists are willing to take New Zealand and how the media have let them get away with it. They don’t want democracy, they want anarchy - headed by their Māori elitist cronies turning this country into something akin to apartheid. They would justify this of course because “Māori have superior DNA” as Co-Leader Rawiri Waititi not only said but arrogantly tried to justify. Kapa-Kingi: Accuses the government of wanting to “exterminate Māori”, of saying the government has theories of “white supremacy”, that the government is saying “we should all be white people”, and government policy is because of “racism and Pakeha supremacy”. Mainstream media reaction: Zero. The fact is the Māori Party doesn’t care what they say or how they say it – not least of which is because they get away with it. The good thing is they are nowhere near government – nor will they ever be. New Zealand First is going to stop this sort of separatist hate-filled agenda. New Zealand is one country and one people.
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Post by ComfortZone on May 7, 2024 9:35:57 GMT 12
more on AUT introducing a compulsory Maori "law" paper to its degree www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/05/kc_complains_about_new_law_society_regulation.htmlref garyjuddkc.substack.com/p/senior-kings-counsel-files-complaintGary Judd KC writes:
"At present, the compulsory law degree subjects are The Legal System, The Law of Contracts, The Law of Torts, Criminal Law, Public Law and Property Law.
The tikanga regulations make it compulsory for all students commencing a law degree from 1 January 2025 to complete a subject on the general principles and practices of tikanga Māori | Māori laws and philosophy, and for tikanga Māori | Māori laws and philosophy to be included in all other subjects which are part of the compulsory requirements for the LLB and LLB Honours degrees."and UPDATE: The Dean of the AUT Law School, Khylee Quince, responded to Mr Judd’s article on social media saying: "I suppose it was inevitable that one of the old racist dinosaurs would make a pathetic squeal in an attempt to preserve the status quo…. Mr Judd and his “matauranga Maori is not science” friends can go die quietly in the corner…"Mr Judd points out: "What sort of lawyers will be produced by a law faculty led by someone who resorts to petty abuse instead of engaging in rational argument? Why did she not explain why tikanga is law? Why did she not explain why a body of law built up over centuries for the purpose of testing whether a custom should be accorded the status of law must be jettisoned because tikanga cannot meet those standards? Why did she not answer other matters raised in my complaint to the regulations review committee? Responses like those could have been expected from a person holding a privileged leadership position."Farrar commentsThe mindless abuse by Dean Quince of Mr Judd is something you might expect from an excitable first year law student, not the Dean of a Law School. It makes you worry for any student at AUT Law School. If they dare disagree with the Dean, will they also be subject to such abuse? Does AUT Law School strike you as a place that welcomes debate and disagreement? I can only suggest that law firms and others avoid hiring anyone who graduates as a lawyer from AUT. We want lawyers who are trained got debate and think, not just call people names and say they hope they die. Incidentally Mr Judd has been a KC/QC for 29 years. As far as I can see he has appeared before the Supreme Court over a dozen times, and before the Privy Council almost the same. I’d say he has learnt the right to express his opinion on legal matters, without being abused for it. Dean Quince, before she became an academic, was a staff solicitor for three years. Incidentally the Rules for Lawyers specify the following: A lawyer must promote and maintain professional standards. A lawyer must, when acting in a professional capacity, treat all persons with respect and courtesy. A lawyer must not engage in conduct that tends to bring the profession into disrepute. You’d expect the Dean of a Law School to not just act with the highest ethical standards, but at least the minimum standards set down under the law.
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Post by fish on May 7, 2024 9:58:27 GMT 12
more on AUT introducing a compulsory Maori "law" paper to its degree www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/05/kc_complains_about_new_law_society_regulation.htmlref garyjuddkc.substack.com/p/senior-kings-counsel-files-complaintGary Judd KC writes:
"At present, the compulsory law degree subjects are The Legal System, The Law of Contracts, The Law of Torts, Criminal Law, Public Law and Property Law.
The tikanga regulations make it compulsory for all students commencing a law degree from 1 January 2025 to complete a subject on the general principles and practices of tikanga Māori | Māori laws and philosophy, and for tikanga Māori | Māori laws and philosophy to be included in all other subjects which are part of the compulsory requirements for the LLB and LLB Honours degrees."and UPDATE: The Dean of the AUT Law School, Khylee Quince, responded to Mr Judd’s article on social media saying: "I suppose it was inevitable that one of the old racist dinosaurs would make a pathetic squeal in an attempt to preserve the status quo…. Mr Judd and his “matauranga Maori is not science” friends can go die quietly in the corner…"Mr Judd points out: "What sort of lawyers will be produced by a law faculty led by someone who resorts to petty abuse instead of engaging in rational argument? Why did she not explain why tikanga is law? Why did she not explain why a body of law built up over centuries for the purpose of testing whether a custom should be accorded the status of law must be jettisoned because tikanga cannot meet those standards? Why did she not answer other matters raised in my complaint to the regulations review committee? Responses like those could have been expected from a person holding a privileged leadership position."Farrar commentsThe mindless abuse by Dean Quince of Mr Judd is something you might expect from an excitable first year law student, not the Dean of a Law School. It makes you worry for any student at AUT Law School. If they dare disagree with the Dean, will they also be subject to such abuse? Does AUT Law School strike you as a place that welcomes debate and disagreement? I can only suggest that law firms and others avoid hiring anyone who graduates as a lawyer from AUT. We want lawyers who are trained got debate and think, not just call people names and say they hope they die. Incidentally Mr Judd has been a KC/QC for 29 years. As far as I can see he has appeared before the Supreme Court over a dozen times, and before the Privy Council almost the same. I’d say he has learnt the right to express his opinion on legal matters, without being abused for it. Dean Quince, before she became an academic, was a staff solicitor for three years. Incidentally the Rules for Lawyers specify the following: A lawyer must promote and maintain professional standards. A lawyer must, when acting in a professional capacity, treat all persons with respect and courtesy. A lawyer must not engage in conduct that tends to bring the profession into disrepute. You’d expect the Dean of a Law School to not just act with the highest ethical standards, but at least the minimum standards set down under the law.My Missus is doing her teaching diploma and was looking at the news of all these kids with knives fighting, stabbings etc Then she was looking at all the Te Ao Maori she has to do and asked the question, how is any of this (welcoming people in Te Reo, saying Pepeha's etc) going to have any effect on kids who are out fighting? There culture is American Ganster, they do not care about Te Ao Maori. They are entirely separate, unrelated and disconnected issues.
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Post by ComfortZone on May 13, 2024 19:02:57 GMT 12
received from Hobson's Pledge tonite We cannot rely on our courts. The judiciary has been captured by the divisive ideology that separates New Zealanders into two groups - Māori and non-Māori - and assigns rights based on this. Today, the Court of Appeals overturned the High Court decision that said the Waitangi Tribunal had erred in issuing a summons to the Minister for Children Karen Chhour. The new decision says that the Tribunal has an important constitutional role and full powers of a commission of inquiry. We have to be strategic. The courts may be captured but the Government has made several promises in their coalition agreements to unwind racist policy and law. We must demand they end the Waitangi Tribunal now. Here's why: • It was always meant to be a temporary standing commission and it is nearly 50 years old • It has been radicalised and is now run by activists rather than legal experts • The bulk of Treaty settlements have been achieved and all remaining and future cases can be heard through the court system or negotiated directly with the Crown • It has steadily pushed the boundaries of its purpose and power and is asserting the right to interfere with Government policy • Helen Clark's Labour Government introduced a September 2008 deadline for the lodgement of all historic claims and that has well passed SIGN OUR PETITION TO END THE WAITANGI TRIBUNAL The only way we can achieve our goal of equality of all New Zealanders is by dismantling the systems that have been set up and manipulated to consolidate power in the hands of iwi. The Waitangi Tribunal has done its dash. It served an important role in righting historical wrongs, but in recent years has begun creating new wrongs.
It is time to wrap up the Tribunal. Sign our petition now.https://www.hobsonspledge.nz/end-the-waitangi-tribunal?utm_campaign=20240513_end_waitangi_trib_2&utm_medium=email&utm_source=hobsonspledge
If we don't achieve change with this Government, we may well never get the opportunity again. National appears to be the handbrake on this Government taking definitive steps toward removing race from our constitution. Winston Peters and David Seymour need to be able to demonstrate that they have public support so that they can carry Christopher Luxon, however reluctantly, over the line. We need to get as many signatures as possible to show that the silent majority don't care what the media or academics say. We want change and we voted for it. Sign our petition to show that you support removing racist institutions. If you agree that it is now or never and that we must push the Government to take action so that the courts can't run roughshod over our rights, sign our petition and then share it with everyone you know. Quick, go sign it and then copy the link into your family group chat or send an email around your networks. I feel quite ill thinking about how far down the rabbit hole our judiciary has gone. But given the Waitangi Tribunal is not a court, it is a standing commission of inquiry, the Government has power to disestablish it. That is where we must begin. At least if the Waitangi Tribunal goes there will be one less lever for the activists to pull. Thank you for your ongoing support
How long before Luxon and the Nats stop wringing there hands and get on board with Seymour and Peters to sort this mess out??
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Post by fish on May 13, 2024 21:15:08 GMT 12
received from Hobson's Pledge tonite We cannot rely on our courts.The judiciary has been captured by the divisive ideology that separates New Zealanders into two groups - Māori and non-Māori - and assigns rights based on this.Today, the Court of Appeals overturned the High Court decision that said the Waitangi Tribunal had erred in issuing a summons to the Minister for Children Karen Chhour. The new decision says that the Tribunal has an important constitutional role and full powers of a commission of inquiry.We have to be strategic. The courts may be captured but the Government has made several promises in their coalition agreements to unwind racist policy and law. We must demand they end the Waitangi Tribunal now.Here's why: • It was always meant to be a temporary standing commission and it is nearly 50 years old • It has been radicalised and is now run by activists rather than legal experts • The bulk of Treaty settlements have been achieved and all remaining and future cases can be heard through the court system or negotiated directly with the Crown • It has steadily pushed the boundaries of its purpose and power and is asserting the right to interfere with Government policy • Helen Clark's Labour Government introduced a September 2008 deadline for the lodgement of all historic claims and that has well passedSIGN OUR PETITION TO END THE WAITANGI TRIBUNALThe only way we can achieve our goal of equality of all New Zealanders is by dismantling the systems that have been set up and manipulated to consolidate power in the hands of iwi.The Waitangi Tribunal has done its dash. It served an important role in righting historical wrongs, but in recent years has begun creating new wrongs. It is time to wrap up the Tribunal. Sign our petition now.https://www.hobsonspledge.nz/end-the-waitangi-tribunal?utm_campaign=20240513_end_waitangi_trib_2&utm_medium=email&utm_source=hobsonspledge If we don't achieve change with this Government, we may well never get the opportunity again. National appears to be the handbrake on this Government taking definitive steps toward removing race from our constitution. Winston Peters and David Seymour need to be able to demonstrate that they have public support so that they can carry Christopher Luxon, however reluctantly, over the line.We need to get as many signatures as possible to show that the silent majority don't care what the media or academics say. We want change and we voted for it. Sign our petition to show that you support removing racist institutions.If you agree that it is now or never and that we must push the Government to take action so that the courts can't run roughshod over our rights, sign our petition and then share it with everyone you know.Quick, go sign it and then copy the link into your family group chat or send an email around your networks.I feel quite ill thinking about how far down the rabbit hole our judiciary has gone. But given the Waitangi Tribunal is not a court, it is a standing commission of inquiry, the Government has power to disestablish it. That is where we must begin.At least if the Waitangi Tribunal goes there will be one less lever for the activists to pull. Thank you for your ongoing supportHow long before Luxon and the Nats stop wringing there hands and get on board with Seymour and Peters to sort this mess out??
The tail wagging the dog is going to have a lot of people annoyed, as in the Waitangi Tribunal, and a Maori Land Court Judge telling the elected govt what they can and can't do. No one gives shit about the legal technicalities, the whole tail wagging the dog thing is really going to piss people off. Bring on ACT's treaty bill I saw.
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Post by harrytom on May 13, 2024 22:53:49 GMT 12
How long before Luxon and the Nats stop wringing there hands and get on board with Seymour and Peters to sort this mess out??
Luxon/national wont get onboard,VOTES,see we didnt back Act/nzf arent we the good guys?
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Post by muzled on May 16, 2024 16:28:23 GMT 12
'we'll decide if we want to fine you'... theplatform.kiwi/opinions/tvnz-hikoi-documentary-needs-a-sequelTVNZ hīkoi documentary needs a sequel 20 years on, judges are quietly awarding coastal rights to iwi. Graham Adams Contributing Writer May 16th, 2024 Early this month, an hour-long documentary was released by TVNZ to mark the 20th anniversary of the land-rights march to oppose Helen Clark’s Foreshore and Seabed Act. The account of 2004’s hīkoi from Cape Reinga to Wellington — narrated by Tāmati Rimene-Sprout, who marched as a 10-year-old — is undeniably atmospheric and will certainly be rousing for those who support Māori nationalism. For others, Hīkoi: Speaking Our Truth will look like the opening salvo in a propaganda campaign to head off attempts by the government to amend the Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Act 2011, which repealed Clark’s legislation. Hīkoi cuts between coverage of the thousands of marchers making their way from Cape Reinga to the capital and interviews with influential activists and politicians — including Hone Harawira, Tame Iti, Ken Mair and Tariana Turia. They were bitterly opposed to the Labour-led government restricting Māori access to the courts after the Court of Appeal ruled in 2003 that iwi had the right to test customary ownership to areas of the foreshore and seabed in the Māori Land Court. The case that led to the Court of Appeal decision was brought by eight South Island iwi who were pursuing a claim for customary title of the Marlborough foreshore and seabed. If it had succeeded, it could have granted them private title and exclusive access. The hīkoi marchers were dedicated to the idea that Māori owned the entire foreshore and seabed. Such ownership would, of course, hand iwi immense power — including the right to control access to it as well as staggering financial windfalls from commercial activities, including marine farming and mining. The documentary never spells this out but rather depicts Māori as selfless and spiritual “guardians” of the coast, who were the victims of a massive land confiscation by Clark’s government. It is never mentioned that her Foreshore and Seabed Act allowed iwi and hapū to apply to the courts for recognition of customary rights in coastal areas where substantially uninterrupted, or continuous, possession and exclusive use from 1840 could be established. A successful claim would allow a form of “guardianship” over a foreshore and seabed reserve. Without that knowledge, it is impossible to understand National’s very successful — and contentious — “Iwi/Kiwi” billboard advertising campaign for the 2005 general election that portrayed Helen Clark as sympathetic to Māori activists and willing to cede control of the nation’s beaches that would undermine the public’s right to unfettered access. Nowhere in the documentary is it mentioned that, by New Zealand importing England’s common law, ownership of the foreshore and seabed had long been viewed as having rested with the Crown from 1840. Clark decided to make that explicit in statute. In fact, a 1963 Court of Appeal case over Ninety Mile Beach had decided that all customary title had been extinguished. In overturning that 40-year-old decision, the 2003 Court of Appeal judgment came as a bombshell in finding that Māori customary rights to the foreshore and seabed persisted until they were explicitly extinguished by law. Which the Foreshore and Seabed Act did. The documentary — funded by state agency Te Māngai Pāho to the tune of $369,000 — everywhere promotes the view that the land march was indisputably a righteous cause, even though its claims were largely based on a hotly contested interpretation of Article Two of the Treaty of Waitangi.
Towards the end of the programme, it is noted that the Foreshore and Seabed Act was repealed by the Marine and Coastal Area Act — passed by John Key’s National-led government in coalition with the Māori Party in 2011. The only comment Rimene-Sprout makes about the Act — known as MACA — is that it “still fails to deal with the underlying issues: ‘Who owns the foreshore and seabed?’” It is true that MACA bizarrely asserts that no one, neither the Crown nor Māori, owns it. However, there is no mention that — 20 years after the hīkoi — activist judges are adopting a contentious interpretation of MACA that enables them to readily recognise Customary Marine Title and Protected Customary Rights over specific areas of the coast.
Critics say that process will eventually mean nearly all of New Zealand’s coastline and sea as far out as 12 nautical miles will be subject to a significant degree of Māori control that includes important attributes of ownership. In short, the courts are now effectively fulfilling many of the wishes of 2004’s hīkoi protesters. For completeness, the documentary’s makers owed its audience some acknowledgment that this judicial process is in train. At the very least, there should have been a postscript stating customary marine title and rights have been recognised so far in areas including the eastern Bay of Plenty, part of Hawkes Bay and the southern Wairarapa — along with the fact that these are
only the first of more than 500 applications covering the entire coastline that have been submitted to the High Court and / or directly to the Crown for negotiation.
The vast majority of New Zealanders will have no knowledge of the judgments that have already been delivered, nor of the hundreds of claims waiting in the wings for the attention of the courts or the minister. While individual cases have received some coverage in the legacy media, the reports have been largely technical and legalistic with their implications opaque to most people. Under MACA, iwi and hapū whose claims are accepted by the courts will have the right to be involved in coastal planning and policy development, including vetoing resource consents in an area from the high-tide mark to as far as 12 nautical miles out to sea. This will affect anyone wanting to set up fish farms, marinas, offshore wind turbines or to build new wharves.
Iwi will also be able to charge commercial operators in their designated area — such as inshore fisheries — a fee. And although the government will continue to own nationalised minerals and resources — gold, silver, uranium and petroleum — other valuable commodities such as rare earth elements will belong to tribal groups to mine or sell. The court judgments are effectively hidden in plain sight — and no one in the legacy media appears keen to alert the public to their implications. Among them, the question of open access to beaches remains an issue. While free access is generally guaranteed to individuals under MACA, iwi can nevertheless shut off parts of the coastline to the public through provisions for wāhi tapu (areas of spiritual significance).
At the beginning of May, Justice Helen Cull released her judgment recognising the customary title and rights of two hapū in Tokomaru Bay, which lies 90km north of Gisborne. One hapū requested blanket wahi tapu protection for the entire area they were claiming (extending to the Territorial Sea Boundary, 12 nautical miles offshore) as well as specifying 117 “sites of significance” (presumably as a fallback position). The judge declined to grant wāhi tapu status to the entire area (while admitting that was a possibility under the legislation) and selected 10 sites that “may be capable of being considered wāhi tapu” under the terms of MACA. These included the “home of the kaitiaki Te Kekeno”, who live “at a place called Kopuanui”. Kekeno are seals. The scope of hapū ambitions for the area is clear. And the legislation allows claimants to later apply to vary their agreement.
Furthermore, the judge noted: “The non-inclusion of wāhi tapu in a [Customary Marine Title] order does not preclude the hapū from seeking recognition and protection of wāhi tapu under the RMA, the Heritage Act or Te Ture Whenua Māori Act. Thus, any sites which do not fall within the common marine and coastal area, or have not met the evidential test for recognition under MACA, may be recognised under the alternative legislative enactments.” MACA gives Customary Marine Title groups the right to appoint wardens who can “warn a person to leave a wāhi tapu or wāhi tapu area” and take their name, contact details, and date of birth if the warden “has reason to believe [they are] intentionally failing to comply with a prohibition or restriction”. Breaches can attract fines of up to $5000.
Given that members of the public trespassing in a wāhi tapu area may incur criminal penalties, and wāhi tapu conditions may affect the exercise of fishing rights, Justice Cull encouraged the two hapū to more clearly specify the areas they were seeking to be covered by a protection order and the reasons for their requests in advance of “Stage Two of these proceedings”. A sequel to Hīkoi spelling out the ramifications of the court decisions, and what is at stake for the general public, would undoubtedly create a political storm. As would the fact that judges have ignored the plain meaning of Section 58 of MACA — which the public was assured would severely limit the possibility of granting customary rights by requiring an applicant group to show it had “[held] the specified area in accordance with tikanga; and has, in relation to the specified area, exclusively used and occupied it from 1840 to the present day without substantial interruption”. Instead, judges have decided that taking the second leg of Section 58 at face value, with its emphasis on exclusivity and continuity since 1840, would be contrary to the overall intent of MACA and inconsistent with Te Tiriti. And they have elevated the importance of tikanga — based on advice from pūkenga (experts in Māori customs), some of whom may have an interest in the outcome of the court action — to open the door wide for customary title and rights.
Unfortunately, the chance of state media agencies like Te Māngai Pāho or NZ on Air funding a documentary that would spell out to the public exactly how activist judges are currently dispensing rights to the foreshore and seabed is vanishingly small.
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Post by ComfortZone on May 26, 2024 10:07:32 GMT 12
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Post by harrytom on May 26, 2024 15:35:39 GMT 12
Unless Luxon gets the Nat party to support ACT/NZF and stop this B/S it will be the undoing of the coalition at the next Election. How about we have Asian language accepted or Polynesian even Indian. Once again let NZ bow down to minority groups. Yes Maori have rights but so do all others that call NZ home.
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Post by ComfortZone on May 26, 2024 20:56:47 GMT 12
so does this mean the gravy boat is sinking got to be a good thing if it puts a stop to these MACA claims
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Post by fish on May 27, 2024 9:53:30 GMT 12
so does this mean the gravy boat is sinking got to be a good thing if it puts a stop to these MACA claims You didn't copy the quote from the lawyer that said they are owed $3/4 million, and had to pay for all the hui and catering.................................. If any other consultant or lawyer was owed over half a million they'd stop working for that client and go work for someone else. Only issue is, if you are a Treaty Lawyer, who else you going to work for? Not like you can do something useful like commercial law or property conveyancy. The epitome of a gravy train, hui and catering.
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Post by GO30 on May 27, 2024 12:53:13 GMT 12
I do find it amusing those who are saying out loud the Govt are bigger arseholes than hiltler is now wanting more coin to they can say it even louder.
But who's the more delusional, the handful of Maori doing Very well thank you from this gray boat or the majority who seem quite happy to let it happen.
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Post by eri on May 27, 2024 14:25:06 GMT 12
the are limits on everything
but human greed
and stupidity
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Post by muzled on May 29, 2024 8:41:16 GMT 12
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Post by muzled on May 29, 2024 9:03:58 GMT 12
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