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Post by fish on Jul 12, 2022 14:08:51 GMT 12
Jim made a comment in some random thread about this risk of Foot and Mouth disease to NZ. Well, here it is spelt out very clearly: Treasury data from 2018, shows a six-month outbreak of foot-and-mouth in the North Island could result in lost export earnings of $15 billion, and nominal gross domestic product to be $24 billion lower over the following five years.Given the potential economic cost, and immediate past track record of the govt, I would think it appropriate that travel is banned from Bali, and Indonesia in general. Plenty of surfers would get upset, but I'm sure some loop hole of stopping over in another country (not transiting) but stopping over could be adopted. It would be like FnM MIQ, to be served in Australia, basically. Note: I'm talking about Foot and Mouth, the bovine disease, not Foot in Mouth, the Labour Minister affliction. www.rnz.co.nz/news/country/470779/warning-of-recession-currency-impact-if-foot-and-mouth-spreads-to-new-zealand
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Post by ComfortZone on Jul 12, 2022 20:45:11 GMT 12
Jim made a comment in some random thread about this risk of Foot and Mouth disease to NZ. Well, here it is spelt out very clearly: Treasury data from 2018, shows a six-month outbreak of foot-and-mouth in the North Island could result in lost export earnings of $15 billion, and nominal gross domestic product to be $24 billion lower over the following five years.Given the potential economic cost, and immediate past track record of the govt, I would think it appropriate that travel is banned from Bali, and Indonesia in general. Plenty of surfers would get upset, but I'm sure some loop hole of stopping over in another country (not transiting) but stopping over could be adopted. It would be like FnM MIQ, to be served in Australia, basically. Note: I'm talking about Foot and Mouth, the bovine disease, not Foot in Mouth, the Labour Minister affliction. www.rnz.co.nz/news/country/470779/warning-of-recession-currency-impact-if-foot-and-mouth-spreads-to-new-zealandabout the only thing that could be worse for NZ's economy than a foot and mouth outbreak ("foot in mouth" is already widespread) is Labour getting re-elected in 2023
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Post by jim on Jul 12, 2022 20:51:52 GMT 12
From NZ Farming's facebook page "I’m a kiwi farming beef in Australia and we’re feeling very exposed to FMD. A week of stand down along with tighter border security sounds good but it’s nowhere near enough. The new Labor federal govt here has been very slow to respond and we haven’t heard anything from the state govts. There’s very little communication and no sign of any sort of plan. Farmers are now getting together and leading the charge. We know that we need to have everything in place and ready to action on the day we get our first case of FMD, and that’s a ‘when’ not an ‘if’. If we’re not ready by then, it’s too late and the economic damage and food shortages will be catastrophic."
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Post by fish on Jul 12, 2022 21:06:06 GMT 12
Gee Jim, I can't believe you are mentioning food shortages again. How could we ever possibly run short of food? never happen. The cynic in me wants to say it will probably be one of the Green MP's that deliberately goes to Bali and brings home FMD, just so we have to cull 90% of our dairy herd and they can claim it as an environmental win.
The problem already have a PR plan lined up on how we can all go vegan and save the earth.
But jokes aside, I am concerned, and I'm not even in the meat industry anymore. Just seeing how MPI was so slow and poorly responded to M. Bovis gives me the shits.
Understanding the risks, I do think it is warranted that travel restrictions are put in place to Indo. At the very least suspend all direct flights, and at best put in stand-down periods in 3rd countries.
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Post by fish on Jul 12, 2022 21:16:34 GMT 12
On the whole food shortage thing - Sri Lanka My partner is an avoid vege gardener and passionately organic etc. She could not comprehend that Sri Lanka banned the import of fertiliser over night. She was incredulous infact. Started ranting about how you need to restore the soil, and change your tea varieties to suit organic, etc etc.
if you didn't know, Sri Lanka banned all imports of fertiliser overnight. The president stated this was because he thought there is more money in organic tea - you get a premium for it. Only thing is the crops failed - completely - nationwide. Other than tourism, tea is Sri Lanka's only export earner, and tourism got stuffed with covid.
Consequently Sri Lanka as a country has gone bankrupt. They were having trouble paying for petrol for several months and were regularly running out. Now if they even manage to grow tea, they can't get diesel for the trucks to take it off the farm.
They have now lifted the ban on importing fertiliser, but the President has since been overthrown, and the country is literally broke.
Then we look at the Dutch farmers, and the forced reduction in productivity. Their protest signs are so simple - 'No Farmers - No Food'
When I worked in the meat works in Taranaki, I'd go into Wellington and visit mates (when I was young and single). I quickly realised that city chicks thought cows were cute and moo-ed, and meat came in a wrapper from the supermarket. No one was interested in how the meat got from being a cow in a paddock to being nicely packaged in the supermarket. If I wanted to score, I definitely could not mention stories about killing cows and cutting them up. Or that time a bull got our of the yards. Or how I found the green festering stuff in the machine that made the Huttons Sizzlers... The point here is there is a real disconnect with people understanding where their food comes from. I really do worry that this govt and the Greens are going to fuck the food supply chain up rather badly.
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Post by jim on Jul 12, 2022 21:24:38 GMT 12
Totally agree this threat needs decisive action/leadership ... which means we are sitting ducks. Can you imagine the logistics of trying to get the required stock to rebuild our national herd in the aftermath of an outbreak here. It'd take years . Rice paddies would be springing up everywhere before i could find a new mob of Angus...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2022 3:04:21 GMT 12
Maybe the greens and Ardern want rice fields ahead of prime rib eye?
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Post by fish on Jul 13, 2022 9:42:32 GMT 12
Maybe the greens and Ardern want rice fields ahead of prime rib eye? Of course they do. Refer to my early post about the Greens taking us Vegan, and already having a PR campaign ready to go.
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Post by fish on Jul 13, 2022 9:49:15 GMT 12
The below article is interesting. It states we don't have direct flights between here and Indo. It also states there is an existing rule that you have a 7 day stand down period from arriving from Indo to going onto a farm. I knew about that, and how on earth are they going to police a rule like that? Biosecurity say they have stepped up their work. Just like they did with M. Bovis, Asian stink bugs, Asian paddle crabs, fan worm, the new seaweed pest weed etc etc Given how rapidly this outbreak is moving in Indo, I think a travel ban from Indo is warranted. At the least a 7 day stand down in a third country. The other concerning issue, if Aust gets it, how can we keep it out from there? We can only hope that the sheer size of Australia limits it spread from state to state. "Our frontline staff at the border are paying close attention to goods and any travellers arriving in the country with Indonesia as their point of departure and are stepping up our searches of baggage from countries of risk. "There are currently no direct flights between Indonesia and New Zealand, which reduces risk. "We are stepping up our work at the border with a campaign to ensure travellers do their part to protect farmers from foot-and-mouth disease (FMD)." The authorities say they've issued reminders to the industry of the one week stand down period from the time that a person arrives from a country overseas with FMD, to the time that they go onto a New Zealand farm or have contact with susceptible animals in NZ. This includes farm workers arriving from overseas through the approved border class exceptions. www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/countrylife/audio/2018848732/vet-warns-of-foot-and-mouth-risk-from-tourist-hotspot
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Post by GO30 on Jul 13, 2022 10:34:08 GMT 12
It also states there is an existing rule that you have a 7 day stand down period from arriving from Indo to going onto a farm. I knew about that, and how on earth are they going to police a rule like that? You can't police it and 90% of people coming thru the border tick the 'I'v not been near anything agriculture or rural while overseas' as they know it's a tick box of potential doom.
I ticked it 3-4 years back when coming back from delivering a boat to Aussie. It was north and in the waters there is some nasty little mite/bug/virus thing which is quite nasty. So we came thru Customs and declared 'we have been in water known to have XYZ in them' to Bio as we came thru the NZ border, all we got was a blank look, the dude had zero idea what we were talking about even though it's common as muck 3 hrs away.
The idea of FaM getting loose in NZ is spooky, very spooky. That would set the whole country back.
When I was a youngun, a few months back, I spent a lot of time in rural Waikato. The city rural divide existed but it was 99% a fun one. But the last few years has taught me that no longer exists and there is a genuine and growing divide between urban and rural. Mr Fish is totally correct with the 'disconnected comment'. When you see dumbarse urban greenies saying shut down the farms as New World has all the food we need you know the world is in deep shit.
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Post by fish on Jul 13, 2022 11:34:54 GMT 12
It also states there is an existing rule that you have a 7 day stand down period from arriving from Indo to going onto a farm. I knew about that, and how on earth are they going to police a rule like that? You can't police it and 90% of people coming thru the border tick the 'I'v not been near anything agriculture or rural while overseas' as they know it's a tick box of potential doom.
I worked that out very quickly. Don't tick the box. If you do, you risk getting all your gear impounded, or a fine, at at the very least held up at the airport for 5 hrs while they clean it for you. A mate once thought it was a good way to get his boots cleaned for free. Probably cheaper to get a new pair of boots by the end of it all. But many people would honestly not tick the box (thinking they are doing the right thing). If you've been surfing in Indo, as a mate of mine is now, would you say you've been onto any farms or rural areas? - No, I've been at the beach the whole time. Highly likely to have stood in some cow shit from the wandering beloved bovines there, but haven't technically been to a rural area. Are Indo villages rural or not? doesn't really fit in our NZ lexicon. It is normal to have chickens pigs and cows running around their houses. We keep them separated in with the country / city divide.
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Post by fish on Jul 21, 2022 10:12:02 GMT 12
And in breaking news, Biosecurity NZ have decided to trial footmats... I guess it is positive that they have identified and acknowledged the risk of FMD. Interesting comment on the auditing of palm kernal shipments. I certainly hope they understand the vectors of FMD properly, and have adequately assessed the ability for FMD to survive in biological matter and that it is shorter than the time it takes for a ship to get from Indo to Tauranga. I'm just waiting for bull seamen to be imported with govt approval, just like it was for M. Bovis. Anyone arriving in New Zealand from Indonesia now will be required to disinfect their shoes via Biosecurity New Zealand footmats, as the government tightens border security to try keep foot-and-mouth disease out of the country. www.rnz.co.nz/news/country/471338/biosecurity-measures-increased-for-arrivals-from-indonesia
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Post by fish on Jul 21, 2022 14:52:36 GMT 12
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Post by ComfortZone on Jul 21, 2022 16:02:37 GMT 12
a foot long sub is not exactly inSUBstantial, must have been some handbag!
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Post by fish on Jul 25, 2022 17:49:40 GMT 12
It is deeply concerning when Cindy agrees with something I've already said... In my view, FMD is a greater risk to NZ than covid. Not just the economic hit, but the lack of food if we have to kill every cloven hooved animal in the country. I can see good grounds on a complete travel ban from Indonesia. Will they do it? The Government has warned of a “doomsday” if foot and mouth disease reaches New Zealand and its farms. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and Agriculture Minister Damien O’Connor both spoke about the “new risk" the livestock disease posed after it was discovered in Indonesia, and the popular tourist destination Bali. "It would devastate our national herd ... In the event of foot and mouth reaching New Zealand all trade in animal products would be stopped ... Animals would be slaughtered, and more than 100,000 jobs in the primary sector would be at risk," Ardern said. www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300645789/government-warns-of-doomsday-foot-and-mouth-scenario
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