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Post by sloopjohnb on Jul 25, 2022 22:26:07 GMT 12
Time to bring back the aerosol spray when the plane lands back in NZ.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2022 4:30:40 GMT 12
Um?.. let me think?...
Who would like to kill of meat production in A O T O Rower?
Greens✅ Ardern? Greenpeace✅ Fake Meat producers✅
It's not if bro's its when, with Kiwi border control!
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Post by fish on Jul 26, 2022 10:27:39 GMT 12
Um?.. let me think?... Who would like to kill of meat production in A O T O Rower? Greens✅ Ardern? Greenpeace✅ Fake Meat producers✅ It's not if bro's its when, with Kiwi border control! I don't think the fake meat producers are motivated to do it. Do I worry that some of these leftypooftreehuggingvegetarians on the extreme left of the Greens party would do it deliberately? Yes - this is a very real risk. Along with your typical Greenpeace protestor. All you need is a lone wolf. Probably off their medication. Would have a well established mental health issue. Probably undiagnosed and definitely un-treated. I'd blame Labour's inability to deliver on sorting mental health if there is an outbreak. For some of these fanatical vegans who honestly believe meat is murder, well, the opportunity to wipe out the entire red meat industry along with dirty dairying, who could resist that? I honestly hope the GCSB and SIS are monitoring these fringe nutters. They were too busy spying on the Muslims to spot the white guy planning the massacre. Now we have a situation were fringe elements view Foot and Mouth as the 'Great Reset' (referencing Pol Pot) with regards to only eating plant based food...
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Post by fish on Jul 26, 2022 10:29:25 GMT 12
Time to bring back the aerosol spray when the plane lands back in NZ. I always thought that was just for looks. Or fruit fly. Banning all travel from Indonesia is entirely justified I believe. Minimal economic impact on our part. Not a major trading partner. Source of farm labour at best, hence the risk.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2022 10:37:56 GMT 12
Yip, trouble is, the dude that travels from Indonesia to somewhere else then to NZ
It will get here, the government will fuck it up, and the meat n milk industry will be rogered.
And Stalinda will blame someone else.
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Post by em on Jul 27, 2022 8:39:55 GMT 12
Yip, trouble is, the dude that travels from Indonesia to somewhere else then to NZ It will get here, the government will fuck it up, and the meat n milk industry will be rogered. And Stalinda will blame someone else. Yes agree , if they can ban flights from India to protect the economy they should ban travel from indo and PKE imports from there too
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Post by em on Jul 27, 2022 8:43:30 GMT 12
Um?.. let me think?... Who would like to kill of meat production in A O T O Rower? Greens✅ Ardern? Greenpeace✅ Fake Meat producers✅ It's not if bro's its when, with Kiwi border control! I don't think the fake meat producers are motivated to do it. Do I worry that some of these leftypooftreehuggingvegetarians on the extreme left of the Greens party would do it deliberately? Yes - this is a very real risk. Along with your typical Greenpeace protestor. All you need is a lone wolf. Probably off their medication. Would have a well established mental health issue. Probably undiagnosed and definitely un-treated. I'd blame Labour's inability to deliver on sorting mental health if there is an outbreak. For some of these fanatical vegans who honestly believe meat is murder, well, the opportunity to wipe out the entire red meat industry along with dirty dairying, who could resist that? I honestly hope the GCSB and SIS are monitoring these fringe nutters. They were too busy spying on the Muslims to spot the white guy planning the massacre. Now we have a situation were fringe elements view Foot and Mouth as the 'Great Reset' (referencing Pol Pot) with regards to only eating plant based food... I think the animal rights groups would be far more inclined than the the vegan community , but then it would mean killing millions of animals so maybe not
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Post by fish on Jul 27, 2022 10:53:23 GMT 12
I think in many cases vegans and animal rights groups are the same. Not in all cases, but many. But my main point is that there is clearly a motive for fringe elements to deliberately release FMD in NZ. It has happened in the past with the rabbit virus, calicy(spelling).
Given the precedence set with with travel bans from high risk countries with covid, I would think it is perfectly acceptable to ban travel from Indo. I'm also very interested in the palm kernel extract and coal coming from Indo. I'd like to think coal is low risk, but isn't PKE sourced in rural / agricultural areas? Does PKE have a heat treatment process? (dried with some of that Indo coal?).
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Post by em on Jul 28, 2022 8:39:47 GMT 12
I think in many cases vegans and animal rights groups are the same. Not in all cases, but many. But my main point is that there is clearly a motive for fringe elements to deliberately release FMD in NZ. It has happened in the past with the rabbit virus, calicy(spelling). Given the precedence set with with travel bans from high risk countries with covid, I would think it is perfectly acceptable to ban travel from Indo. I'm also very interested in the palm kernel extract and coal coming from Indo. I'd like to think coal is low risk, but isn't PKE sourced in rural / agricultural areas? Does PKE have a heat treatment process? (dried with some of that Indo coal?). I vaguely recall a Waikato farmer finding rotting animal parts in some PKE quite few years ago when we did a stint in Hamilton . It caused a bit of a mad scramble at MPI if I am remembering correctly
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Post by em on Jul 28, 2022 8:43:05 GMT 12
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Post by fish on Jul 28, 2022 10:21:18 GMT 12
That is a very interesting story em, not because of the animal parts though. Both Malaysia and Indo supple PKE - easy - ban Indo PKE and get what we need from Malaysia. MPI couldn't recall that shipment with the hoof and leg in it, mainly because the distributors mix it all up... well, that will have to stop. We have stupid plastic stickers on all our fruit for traceability, but they can't trace animal products from high risk countries? They do heat treat and fumigate the PKE. Which them makes me ask we we can't use NZ grown silage, anyway, that is a different question. I don't know the full economic impact of PKE to NZ, but I would be lobbying for a complete ban on it for a year or two, until Indo sorts its FMD problem. The economic impact to farmers will be fuck all compared to having to cull their herd. Either that, or just import it from FMD free countries. I don't think this is rocket science. But for it to happen a beuracrate at MPI will have to put their nuts on the line and actually make a call. Sure there will be push pack from the PKE industry and some farmers. The blow back will be around "can't you do your job properly in making PKE safe", but the basic safety matrix is remove, isolate, then PPE last (or however it goes). You don't need all the control measures if you just don't import the shit.
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Post by em on Aug 2, 2022 7:28:18 GMT 12
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Post by fish on Aug 2, 2022 9:27:21 GMT 12
Yes, that McMuffin story was in stuffed yesterday. I was going to post it on here, how the Aussies are taking firm action and publicising it. We never get those stories from Auckland Airport or NZ Biosecurity. That is possibly a good thing in that no one is brining any old hamburgers in, or it is a bad thing cause Biosecurity aren't actually finding anything. I can't see any economic benefit in allowing travel from Indo. At the very least a two week stand-down in a third country. All there is, as far as I know, is surfers, unwashed back packers, and farm workers. The surfers and back packers have no economic benefit. The farm workers? well, who are the highest risk group?
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Post by Fogg on Aug 3, 2022 9:16:22 GMT 12
F&M is the latest pamphlet handed out at NZ arrivals. Along with RAT testing kits.
And flight into KL included announcements about Monkeypox. And drugs.
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