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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2022 16:07:04 GMT 12
Don't be so dumb. China will never do that while their are international laws/. Territorial waters, trade agreements... Democratic nations will always remain dominant while humans want freedom. And,vRemember China has one huge Achilles heal!... If the west stops manufacture in China and stops importation of Chinese goods... and hands it to India or Vietnam China will fold. Goods were made in Thailand/vietnam/Phillipines and Yes we even made goods in NZ but the mighty $$ ruled and we have our goods made china,export the product and buy it back as funiture etc,hell that plastic toy your child has was more than likely made from our exported waste,not direct to china but too some back n beyond place north of hong kong where child labour sorts the waste. 900 ton Tuna caught in Vanuatu EEZ and offloaded by Sinovan in Fiji with no declaration to the Vanuatu Government by the Chinese partners. The 900 ton of fish offloaded last year was declared by the Vanuatu Fisheries Department whilst Sinovan went tight lip on the issue and did not even pay 1 cent dividend to Vanuatu.Sinovan in Fiji chinese .Who is financing a new wharf in Vanuatu?? China gave Tonga a plane with no strings attached yeah right. China always supports providing assistance, without political conditions, to island nations," the ministry wrote in response to questions from The Associated Press. China said it wanted to help "accelerate economic and social development" and improve people's lives in the Pacific, none of which was directed at forming political or military alliances. Think I will take my chances with Americans thanks. Add to that how China have locked up markets and driven every one else out. Other countries cannot even compete now. Here's a great example. Tip Top used to have an amazing manufacturing plant here in NZ for a product. Let's call it magnums cause I can't remember the name of the actual product but it was something similar. It was cheaper for tip top to dehydrate the NZ milk, send it to China and then ship back the completed product in freezer shipping containers than it was for them to continue running their existing plant in NZ. It's cheaper to send trees to China and have them milled and sent back to NZ than it is to do it here. China control 97% of the world's solar panel production capacity. They pretty much own the Li battery production capability as well. There is no possible way the West can decouple from buying goods and services from China it would take many many years for other countries to even stand up the capability and that capability would rely on China for parts. So we have no leverage over China except keeping them out in the first place.
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Post by armchairadmiral on Jul 17, 2022 16:57:12 GMT 12
Yeah that'll work. NZ (not aotearoa) vs. China
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2022 17:11:18 GMT 12
Yeah that'll work. NZ (not aotearoa) vs. China Either or. Makes no difference which official name you use.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2022 6:17:21 GMT 12
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Post by em on Jul 18, 2022 17:23:09 GMT 12
So if Chris tells china to fuck off you can’t buy our fruit , Milk , meat , wine and timber anymore he will only last one term probably even less than that
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2022 20:00:24 GMT 12
Exactly which European countries are you referring to? China was the largest exporter and the second largest importer in the world in 2020. Acknowledging that EU doesn't eqaul Europe... * In 2021, China was the third largest partner for EU exports of goods (10.2 %) and the largest partner for EU imports of goods (22.4 %). * Among EU Member States, the Netherlands was the largest importer of goods from China and Germany was the largest exporter of goods to China in 2021. * The EU has imported more from China than it has exported to China year on year since 2015. * The EU imports more from China than any other single country. If that's standing up to China then we have a different view of what standing up means.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2022 2:59:17 GMT 12
"Deal" means has a dedicated manufacturing presence in China. Not importing!
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Post by eri on Jul 19, 2022 18:31:54 GMT 12
China found willing partners among poorer nations struggling to find lenders.
Now Beijing's battling fresh "debt trap" accusations as the Ukraine war and global pandemic topple its long-term plans.
For more than a decade, international analysts have warned that China's global infrastructure diplomacy could be a disaster for poorer nations. Some even suggested the strategy was deliberate – a means to secure strategic international assets.Sri Lanka's economic collapse and civil unrest have been widely blamed on the government's cosy relationship with Beijing. And the foreclosure of its multi-billion dollar Hambantota Port – handed over to China in 2017 – is treated as a case study in "debt trap diplomacy".
But it's not the only nation facing such a crisis.
Pakistan is struggling to meet debt repayments. As are the Philippines and Laos. www.nzherald.co.nz/world/china-accused-of-luring-countries-like-sri-lanka-and-laos-into-debt-trap/DSU3K3SKTT2FBLY4666AVGO42A/the solomons and kiribati need to very very careful
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Post by GO30 on Jul 23, 2022 13:42:56 GMT 12
Tip Top used to have an amazing manufacturing plant here in NZ for a product. Let's call it magnums cause I can't remember the name of the actual product but it was something similar. Are you fecking serious, forgetting Jelly tips and Fru Jus but remembering Magmums. They used to burn Witches for spouting heresey like that.
Magnums over Jelly Tips, I thought I'd heard it all but how wrong I was
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Post by GO30 on Jul 23, 2022 14:00:09 GMT 12
Yeah that'll work. NZ (not aotearoa) vs. China Either or. Makes no difference which official name you use.
The Maori who wrote the Treaty, the very people who'd have the most accurate idea of what name to use, did not write Aotearoa, they wrote the name Nu Tirani.
The word Aotearoa is used in the Treaty documents exactly 0 times. The name Nu Tirani is used 5 times in the first paragraph alone.
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Post by GO30 on Jul 23, 2022 14:10:27 GMT 12
If push came to shove I'd head East before West.
The West is eating itself and if nothing changes it'll destroy itself pretty soon. It's also shallow, soft, lazy and looks 4 or 5 years ahead not much more. The East on the other are vibrate go ahead places getting shit done, as a general rule, who are very obviously playing the long game.
The only way the West will win is to destroy the East and they don't have the power to do so, or the most important thing they'd need, a good set of balls. Name a western leader who'd have a set of balls that did not resemble old dry raisins?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2022 15:22:27 GMT 12
Tip top is still made in NZ at Otahuhu they import 2 types only from Spain.Duo icecream sandwich and the Popsicle Watermelon Wedgie, which are both made in Spain.
Oh incase you get more facts wrong Fonterra owns TIP top
Have box of Jelly tips here a 2lt tub ,
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2022 20:01:24 GMT 12
Facts are correct. The product was under the New American Ice Cream brand which was acquired by Tip Top along with the Auckland manufacturing plant in the late 1990's. One particular product that New American sold (and I am dammed if I can remember the name of it) was determined cheaper to have manufactured in China after shipping over powdered milk, so Tip Top shutdown the plant for that particular item. I don't actually recall if it was before or after the Fonterra acquisition, but it was probably before. Anyways, that fact is far less important than the fact that manufacturing is rediculously cheap in China, so much so that it is often cheaper to ship raw materials there and the finished product back. Have a Goody Goody Gum Drop bar back at you (one of New American's weirder products).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2022 20:20:15 GMT 12
The word Aotearoa is used in the Treaty documents exactly 0 times. The name Nu Tirani is used 5 times in the first paragraph alone. Thank you. I did not know that.
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Post by eri on Jul 24, 2022 21:12:51 GMT 12
Aotearoa in the King Country seems to have morphed from just a location (or even locations) and took on a wider identity meaning. Some flags used by the Hau Hau had ‘Aotearoa’ on them. One was captured by Major Jackson in the Waikato in 1863. It was still being displayed proudly as a trophy in military mess gatherings late in the century. By the 1870s ‘Aotearoa’ became synonymous for the region widely known as the King Country. One King Movement flag also has the words Niu Tireni on it. It all indicates a growing need by Māori towards more collective responses to colonisation, especially during and after the onslaughts of military battles and land legislation of the 1860s, and this required new identity terminology.
Also in the 1860s there are examples of the use of the phrase ‘the island of Aotearoa’ meaning the North Island. This usage continued throughout the century. The setting up of King Tawhio’s Great Council, or Kauhanganui, in 1892 comprised, it claimed, ‘the Kingdom of Aotearoa and the Waiponamu’, meaning both the North and South Islands.
Māori appear not to have had a name for what is now called New Zealand. The North Island was Te Ika a Maui – the fish of Maui – and the South Island Tewaipounamu, or the rivers of greenstone. The latter also had other names in legend, including Te waka a Maui, or Maui’s canoe, from which he hauled up his great fish.
Thomas Bracken’s New Zealand anthem of 1878 was translated into Māori by T.H. Smith. New Zealand he called Aotearoa. This meaning was further entrenched with W.P. Reeves’ 1898 history of New Zealand with the title Aotearoa. The Long White Cloud. James Cowan’s 1907 version is entitled New Zealand, or Ao-te-roa (The Long Bright World). Johannes Anderson, in the same year, published Māori Life in Aotea.
The now common specific ‘translation’ of Aotearoa as ‘the land of the long white cloud’ probably became more established from the 1920s or 30s.
www.newsroom.co.nz/aotearoa-whats-in-a-name
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