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Post by sabre on Nov 5, 2022 18:32:18 GMT 12
Transition from fossil fuels is fine. It sounds very good in theory, I am arguing about the practice. Specifically, the impact of current policies on food production. Most notably the fart tax, and the ETS resulting in mono-culture pines. I'd posit that those disruptions don't meet the 'orderly manner' test. Especially if it results in structural reduction of food production capacity. Climate change is one thing, but starvation is another entirely. 100% and it is as clear as day that the fart tax will increase so called "greenhouse gases" by pushing food production to less efficient producers. Why is it that most of these so called "solutions" result in little reward but increase taxes, cost of living and give governments more control over our food supply. It baffles me that more people can't see that what is happening has little to with our weather. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2022 19:33:33 GMT 12
Yip. Stalinda has allowed Shaw to potentially bankrupt the economy for a self indulged ego trip.
COP 27, 28 .. copulation ...
the " polluting" gravy train continues to achieve net zero/ road to Zero real progress towards dropping the temp...but Shaw keeps getting Arden to agree to costly non effective policies that fuck up our ability to grow food
Maybe by COP 3450 we will have some one with the balls to say ... " Let's stop this shit"
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Post by fish on Nov 5, 2022 21:12:23 GMT 12
I agree you don’t want to strangle your (already struggling) food supply chains with more unreasonable burdens. But look to solve for the problem in multiple ways which must include a heavy dose of switch to renewables + (dare I say it here in NZ) nuclear. It is funny you mention nuclear. I was thinking about it today. If climate change is such a scary monster, why are Germany and the US rushing to shut down their nuclear plants? These are plants that are already built, so the risk is already there. The waste has already been produced. Even from a basic energy security point, I don't understand why they are shutting their plants down early. Unless the plants present a far higher risk than the public is aware of, which is highly likely. I never understand the energy and infrastructure markets in the US, but Germany is far better organised. They made a knee jerk decision after the Fukishma earthquake to rapidly shut down all of their plants. Looked like it was based on public opinion more than any material change in risk. But at the same time they are castrating their economy trying to get off Russian gas. |
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Post by fish on Nov 5, 2022 21:26:28 GMT 12
This point is as good in this thread as anywhere.
I caught up with two good friends today that are Green Party members. One was a Green candidate a few cycles ago.
They were both pushing a convincing argument to join the Green party. They pushed this argument more-so with a logical reason when I affirmed I will be voting ACT this time, or Democracy NZ.
Why?
Because of the Green party constitution and democracy, they need more moderate members to push the (in their words) nutbar socialist activist candidates down the list. Short story is there is a major shism in the party between classic environmentalists and the hard core activist socialists. This issue is clearly reflected in Green policies.
Apparently when James Shaw got sacked at the Party Conference, it was the best thing ever. Membership went through the roof. And the re-joining or new members were all the classic environmentalist types, so swung the pendulum back away from the activist socialists.
So there you have it folks, if you are an ardent National or Act supporter, there is a logical argument to join the Green party. You can directly influence their candidate list, and I gather you can influence their policies. You could either bring the Greens more centre, or go nuclear and elevate their activist socialists, so the whole place implodes...
PS, they are strongly anti mono-culture pines. Apparently there are moves afoot to ban pines, or to launch a biodiversity tax (no joke). The main point is they clearly see the harm of mono-culture pines.
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Post by Fogg on Nov 6, 2022 9:31:49 GMT 12
I’d say if you want to oppose the leftie extremists most effectively then do not join the Greens and seek to influence from within. Because you risk diluting support for National & Act and also making the Greens start looking reasonable and electable.
Much better to continue allowing the extremists within the Greens to dominate their party’s narrative because that will trigger a more powerful and effective opposite reaction from right-leaning voters who will back Nats / Act in protest of Lab / Green lefties.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2022 10:36:10 GMT 12
I’d say if you want to oppose the leftie extremists most effectively then do not join the Greens and seek to influence from within. Because you risk diluting support for National & Act and also making the Greens start looking reasonable and electable. Much better to continue allowing the extremists within the Greens to dominate their party’s narrative because that will trigger a more powerful and effective opposite reaction from right-leaning voters who will back Nats / Act in protest of Lab / Green lefties. brilliant 👍 |
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Post by em on Nov 6, 2022 11:30:37 GMT 12
Never mind the climate change,my concern thats fucking up the planet is the amount of waste on land and in the sea.particularly the oceans.We treat them as dumping ground. I think that’s the biggest problem ….climate change is bullshit so I’m going to keep polluting anyway . It’s something I struggle with personally all the time . There’s a retired king country sheep farmer on our road I used to do odd jobs for . One of the jobs was digging a big rubbish pit , fair enough I thought at the time . He puts absolutely everything in there and burns it , old kitchens from rentals , engine oil , plastic Chinese tat , treated timber , herbicide containers etc . Pit fills with water then leaches into the groundwater obviously . So it might not change the climate but it definitely fucks the groundwater and the air quality during burn off would be known to cause cancer and birth defects in the state of California . It’s examples like this that make me uneasy about Rabid climate change opposers , how much of a fuck do they give about POLLUTION . |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2022 11:58:36 GMT 12
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Post by sabre on Nov 9, 2022 6:23:36 GMT 12
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Post by armchairadmiral on Nov 9, 2022 7:17:57 GMT 12
Oh dear, how sad. The trough is emptying. Watched a you tube video (16 mins) by an Oz author Ian Plimer who wrote a book called 'Green Murder" . Explains the facts and logic about CO2. It's worth a watch if you are despairing at the non stop bs |
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Post by sloopjohnb on Nov 9, 2022 11:16:22 GMT 12
I heard James Offshaw is heading to COPOUT27.
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Post by fish on Nov 9, 2022 11:43:00 GMT 12
I heard James Offshaw is heading to COPOUT27. Yeah, In Sharm al Shek Meanwhile, as all the world leaders gather in the Egyptian Resort, one of Egypts political prisoners, who has been on hunger strike for 220 days, starts a water hunger strike. Will probably be dead by tomorrow. But don't let that stop you from enjoying the canapes James. UN rights chief: Alaa Abd el-Fattah’s life in great danger UN rights head Volker Turk called on Egypt to immediately release hunger striker and popular activist Alaa Abd el-Fattah. Abd el-Fattah, a prominent activist and blogger who is a dual British and Egyptian citizen, was jailed in 2014 for five years on charges of participating in an unauthorised gathering. He was re-arrested in 2019, and in December 2021, was sentenced to another five years on charges of spreading false news. The 40-year-old has been on a hunger strike for 220 days against his detention and prison conditions. Abd el-Fattah informed his family that he would stop drinking water on Sunday in an escalation of his protest. His mother said she did not receive a letter she usually receives from him when she visited on Monday. www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/11/8/un-rights-chief-alaa-abd-el-fattahs-life-in-great-danger |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2022 17:25:02 GMT 12
I heard James Offshaw is heading to COPOUT27. yip and the arsehole gave 20 million to the " Chinese controlled" pacific islands for climate change... While the smart countries refused due to starting a uncontrolled gravy train |
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Post by GO30 on Nov 13, 2022 11:52:14 GMT 12
And none of that would matter, if we could just get consent to build water storage for our food production. Dams. Big Dams. Water storage immediately gives climate resilience. Food security. It can also vastly increase the wealth of our country. So so true and why we don't fill in a few of the many 1000's of valleys we have with storage is just crazy. Sure some are purdy so we can't, some contain a shell some dude looked at 500 years ago we we need to protect that against ..... no idea, an alien invasion sounds as sensible as any other reason I can think of. But a shed load are nothing of significance and could be far smarter used both for the locals and the local environment itself.
But as I have experienced to even suggest you once spent 2 seconds thinking about actually doing that all hell breaks loose. The local authorities, of which there now seems to a masses of, kill a forest just to write reports, that are effectively just bitches and demands for explanations why the 200 odd local Iwis haven't been consulted and how a Kiwi once walked over that site so it is now a national treasure. The reports contain nothing about geotech, local by laws, best practice, dos n don't and so on.
But there are ways and means, which I sure as shite am not going to publish publicly, sadly like so much and a fast growing list of other things you just quietly do without anyone knowing.
I know of someone our way who had around 1000 sq/m of dams total with an average depth of 1.4m. 450 sq has been retired (filled in) and a gentle 6200sq/m (ave. depth 2m) is under very quiet and discreet construction. That will take nothing from downstream, in fact it will help flood prevention, there is no need to artificially fill it as rain will do that easily and quite quickly, it will become home to fat juicy ells, ducks and other such yummy locals plus store a shit load of water for the local and introduced vegetation. It's a no brainer apart from the fact the bullshit, hurdles and taxes needed to make it happen is why most will.
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Post by GO30 on Nov 13, 2022 12:19:23 GMT 12
100% and it is as clear as day that the fart tax will increase so called "greenhouse gases" by pushing food production to less efficient producers. Why is it that most of these so called "solutions" result in little reward but increase taxes, cost of living and give governments more control over our food supply. It baffles me that more people can't see that what is happening has little to with our weather. It's because the human animal is basically a dumbarse in being self interested and very gullible when attacked by good marketing.
In the US and EU there is a grown concern amongst educational facilities i.e. schools and Unis, around how to handle the fact so many kids think The Game of Thrones is an accurate description of the worlds history.
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