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Post by fish on Jul 29, 2022 12:46:13 GMT 12
So there is actual MSM coverage of this case now. We were discussing it at length somewhere but our threads drift so much I can't remember what one it was on. All it says is sabotage. No information on what was actually going on. I'm going to make a wild and unfounded guess it was something to do with taking out cellular comms towers or something. Possibly a 5G protest? Who knows? Crown prosecutors are worried about copy cats, so must be easy and obvious, hence my thinking around cell phone towers. Been held on remand for 8 months already. Not getting another appearance for 8 weeks, Sept 13th. I was listening to RNZ yesterday where they were discussing the massive backlog in the courts due to covid, and how 83% of Judge alone cases are not being heard on their scheduled dates. The main question was this being a human rights issue. In this case it doesn't say when he was charged, but 8 months is a very long time to be on remand without it even being public knowledge. www.stuff.co.nz/national/129417838/first-new-zealander-ever-to-face-sabotage-charges |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2022 13:53:34 GMT 12
All bail hearings are suppressed. The Bail Act 2000 s19 prohibits publication of many matters dealt with at a bail hearing.
That's been the law for a very long time. And so far all we are dealing with are Bail hearings.
It's very common for people to be held behind bars for long periods before there trial date. Trial dates are often set well into the future to allow both sides time to come up with appropriate arguments.
Sabotage is right up there as far as the duration of imprisonment goes @ 10yrs. If he is found guilty then his current incarceration comes off that time. The judges must agree with the argument that the crown is putting forward otherwise he would be out on bail.
A trial date has been set for this case - the date is suppressed - again standard process. His lawyers and the prosecuting lawyers agree to the date, so ultimately the lawyers discuss with their client how long they are going to need to prepare for the case and then they fit into the court system around that time.
Now that his name is allowed to be legally published, people will be finding his Telegram posts, which are full of interesting information on how to fight back against an oppressive government. He stopped short of suggesting that we are currently under the control of an oppressive government...
An incompetent so called "freedom reporter" completely let the cat out of the bag in a recent Facebook video that was very quickly taken down. So much so, that if I am called for jury duty I would have to excuse myself jeopardizing the trial and pushing his trial date back even further.
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Post by em on Jul 29, 2022 14:00:53 GMT 12
Na I saw another post on Facebook that he witnessed Gaye clarkford bring a haul of coke ashore at cape KariKari . The sabotage story is deep cover for the other story
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Post by fish on Jul 29, 2022 14:08:52 GMT 12
I think you might be obfuscating on a point their deleted, we aren't interested in the bail hearings. We've been interested in whether he was charged or not (or when he was charged) and what the charges are.
It is interesting that we are allowed to know his name now. Were we not allowed to know earlier?
And why would the trial date be suppressed? That is beyond me. Justice is supposed to be open. This is not the family court.
And agree with your comment that it is normal to have very long periods between charges and the trial. The question is if that is acceptable. There is one element needing time to prepare a case, but currently there is a massive backlog of cases due to logistics or court capacity. That is an issue.
Clearly their is great irony that he has been agitating about an oppressive government, then gets locked up for 10 months minimum for what ever he has or has not done.
Assuming he is guilty, everything is good. But if he is found innocent, then he would be rightfully aggrieved to have been incarcerated for nearly a year.
Cops and prosecutors regularly get things wrong. That is why the courts are seperate to the police. Could of NZ First fundraiser people can attest to that, found guilty in the media, found innocent by the courts...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2022 14:18:55 GMT 12
I think you might be obfuscating on a point their deleted, we aren't interested in the bail hearings. We've been interested in whether he was charged or not (or when he was charged) and what the charges are. It is interesting that we are allowed to know his name now. Were we not allowed to know earlier? And why would the trial date be suppressed? That is beyond me. Justice is supposed to be open. This is not the family court. This has already been covered in the previous thread you participated in. To repeat myself, he has been charged with sabotage. The news paper article you linked to even says it... All of the court appearances to date have been bail hearings. |
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Post by sloopjohnb on Jul 29, 2022 14:35:11 GMT 12
Na I saw another post on Facebook that he witnessed Gaye clarkford bring a haul of coke ashore at cape KariKari . The sabotage story is deep cover for the other story It that going to shown in his "Fishing Show" as the "Catch of the Day"  ?? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2022 14:42:20 GMT 12
It is interesting that we are allowed to know his name now. Were we not allowed to know earlier? I don't know, the article you linked states that the paper is now allowed to name him. One would assume this means that they previously were not. We obviously knew his name cause we have all talked about it. If you look at the Grace Milane murderer, his name was suppressed as well, but it was all over Facebook and in regular conversation. I am not privy to the specifics of the suppression order. And why would the trial date be suppressed? That is beyond me. Justice is supposed to be open. This is not the family court. Because jurors go looking for court cases scheduled on the dates they are called up for. So until the jury pool is selected and the jurors are read in, the dates get suppressed to ensure that nosey jurors don't go finding out information about the individual that might not be relevant to the case or might cause bias. Justice is supposed to be fair and open. You missed the fair bit. If you want justice to be just open then advocate for Jury of your peers to be thrown out. |
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Post by fish on Jul 29, 2022 15:03:06 GMT 12
Do you have the link to the other thread?
Good point on the jurors googling the cases they might get. I've never heard of them suppressing the actual dates though.
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Post by fish on Jul 29, 2022 16:08:36 GMT 12
Well well well, 3 holes in the ground. It can be inferred from this article that Clarke hasn't been importing cocaine. Whowouldathunk? Media company NZME has paid Clarke Gayford “a confidential sum” after it published a false rumour about the prime minister’s fiance. A joint statement from Gayford and NZME said those rumours were “damaging and untrue”. The false information was discussed on a podcast and digital radio channel called KICK, which NZME started as a platform for its youngest broadcasters to try and build a digital radio operation. “The statements were based on rumours about Mr Gayford that are baseless lies,” the joint statement said. It said NZME acknowledged Gayford “has never been the subject of criminal charges and is not now the subject of criminal charges”. www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300649590/clarke-gayford-receives-apology-and-settlement-for-broadcast-of-baseless-liesPS deleted, thanks for finding the original thread on Graham Phillips. |
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Post by sloopjohnb on Jul 29, 2022 17:03:09 GMT 12
But is not NZME part of the Gov't PR machine.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2022 17:43:41 GMT 12
After a bit of investigation by ones son,If you want too know how to dismantel a cell phone tower he is your man.One can only guess what hes done. Something against the Government I would think. www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/471846/taupo-man-graham-philip-charged-with-sabotage-believed-to-be-first-in-new-zealand-historyThe alleged offending relates to New Zealand infrastructure. Sabotage is legally defined in the Crimes Act as any activity which impairs or impedes the operation of "any ship, vehicle, aircraft, arms, munitions, equipment, machinery, apparatus, or atomic or nuclear plant" on New Zealand shores. A person can also be charged with sabotage if the person "damages or destroys any property which is necessary to keep intact for the safety or health of the public." |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2022 18:14:09 GMT 12
His Telegram pages have information on how to take out the power grid, how to take out cell towers, how to poison water supplies, what power lines to avoid due to high voltage/death.
Perhaps he moved from peddling information and tried out or attempted to try out one of his tips.
The RNZ article has the most details in it I have seen other than the aforementioned freedom reporter.
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Post by fish on Jul 29, 2022 18:31:37 GMT 12
It is still hard to think something fishy isn't going on. What with all the secrecy from the Courts and obfuscation from Corrections. I sure hope he was doing something fucking awesome to be locked up for 2 years without a trial, and not able to even see his wife.
Whats a bet all he was doing was putting superglue in the locks of the control cabinets at the cell phone towers.
Initial indications from the court suggest Philip will have his trial heard in late 2023, meaning he would have spent almost two years in prison before having his case heard. That time frame is not unusual in the justice system currently, but Hague has concerns with Philip's ongoing detention in the absence of a conviction.
"It's very concerning, first of all, that he's held in custody for that length of time without receiving a trial, and secondly, the conditions of which he's being held, especially the challenges with communication."
Hague said Philip had not seen his wife since December, either in person or via teleconference, "as is his right". Pre-arranged calls had been stymied on multiple occasions, Philip's wife had claimed.
The lawyer also referred specifically to an affidavit he had sent to Philip to sign in mid-July. He said Corrections still has not scanned and emailed the document back, despite assurances they would do so. Without the affidavit, there was little substance for further bail appeals.
"He's received it, he's signed it, and Corrections has not scanned or returned it to me like they normally would for any other prisoner," Hague said.
"Corrections has also repeatedly failed to facilitate phone calls, even when they're scheduled in advance."
Hague had complained to the Office of the Prison Inspectorate and Corrections central regional manager on behalf of his client.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2022 18:33:27 GMT 12
Media company NZME has paid Clarke Gayford “a confidential sum” after it published a false rumour about the prime minister’s fiance. This was just a way for the PM and Gayford to legally profit from the multi-million dollars of tax payer funds that was gifted to the media. It was a set up from beginning. PM agreed to give the media money on the proviso Gayford would later sue for slander and then she'd get her cut. |
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Post by em on Jul 29, 2022 18:50:01 GMT 12
Media company NZME has paid Clarke Gayford “a confidential sum” after it published a false rumour about the prime minister’s fiance. This was just a way for the PM and Gayford to legally profit from the multi-million dollars of tax payer funds that was gifted to the media. It was a set up from beginning. PM agreed to give the media money on the proviso Gayford would later sue for slander and then she'd get her cut. That’s just the tip of the iceberg , now he’s free to helicopter to remote locations and collect his coke that’s been dropped off by fishing boats then film a bit of fishing as a side hustle . |
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