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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2022 17:23:30 GMT 12
Still cant beat a good lesbian film
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Post by em on Aug 1, 2022 19:06:09 GMT 12
Still cant beat a good lesbian film You sir are a reprobate !
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Post by Admin on Aug 1, 2022 20:01:02 GMT 12
To most observers, this must be one of the least tasteful threads in the (short) history of this forum and certainly not representative of the tone I want to see more generally.
But no action being taken by me because I can see it is isolated to a very small number of users and I’m seeing signs of peer-pressure calming things down towards a more civilised level.
I don’t agree with many things said here and this isn’t the first thing I’ve found pretty distasteful - but that alone doesn’t qualify it for removal just because I don’t personally agree with it. Otherwise I’d be moderating stuff all the time.
So if it’s illegal or libellous then yes it would be a candidate for removal by me. But this falls short of that much higher threshold.
Meanwhile, I’m expecting self-moderation & peer-pressure to continue influencing the rogue elements to clean up their act. And I think that’s realistic given its a fairly small forum group and many people know each other in real-life - which usually has a self-moderating effect. 😊
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Post by dutyfree on Aug 1, 2022 20:47:11 GMT 12
Stephen Watson, chief constable of Greater Manchester, admitted police had been overzealous in recording trivial online spats and legitimate debate as hate incidents at the expense of tackling mainstream crimes.
“I do think that the balance has got somewhere out of kilter,” said Mr Watson, who last week revealed how his “back to basics” approach to crime-fighting had turned his failing force into the most improved in Britain.
“We’ve become too assiduous at interpreting some of the rules to mean that if anybody at any time for whatever reason is offended, there somehow needs to be a police record.
“We’ve got ourselves involved in stuff which is just not a policing matter, we’ve wasted our time as a result and we’ve caused people to question whether, frankly, we know what we’re doing.”
He added: “In certain circumstances, there are actually first-class examples of where we’ve just completely got this wrong.”
One case involved a Bedfordshire man who ended up with a police file for whistling the theme tune to Bob the Builder at his neighbour, who perceived racial hatred.
Earlier this year Harry Miller, a retired policeman who was visited by his local force after tweeting about transgender rights, won a battle over free speech with the College of Policing. The Court of Appeal ruled the guidance breached Mr Miller’s human rights.
Mr. Watson welcomed revised guidance by the College of Policing, the national standards body, as a “move in the right direction”. It has decreed that police officers should no longer investigate legitimate debate or treat trivial online spats as hate incidents.
The guidance, hailed as a victory for free speech, said people contributing to political and social debate must not be “stigmatised simply because someone is offended”.
Mr Watson warned that without changes, police credibility would be undermined. He said: “As with all things in life, there’s a careful calibration required, because I do understand why people will say: ‘Well, if it’s not a crime, then why are you bothering recording it, because surely that’s nothing to do with police?’”
He said he hoped officers could be empowered to apply their own common sense. “It is, I think, the function of leadership to give our people the confidence that it is still okay, from time to time to say to people: it’s just not a police matter, that is nonsense,” he said.
“That’s called being a grown-up in a democracy where we sometimes have vigorous discourse, and you just need to get with the programme or stop using social media. We need to encourage our people to have the confidence to do that.”
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2022 21:15:36 GMT 12
Firstly I apologize wholeheartedly for any offence taken or received.
A little story....
My best friend suffered brutally at the hands of his father (a Maori man with a drinking and violence problem) for being gay.
So much so, that at 18 he left his home and never made contact with his father again.
Over the years he roamed the southern hemisphere until he met the love of his life in San Francisco.
I caught up with him when his partner died of aids (thru sleeping around) in the mid 90s. I went to San Francisco kicked his sorry ass,told him a few hard truths about staying alive and valueing life.
Anyway, he pulled himself together, met a great partner and is now happily retired in the Castro.
Who is this guy ... He is my brother and his mates are my mates....
And I would not hesitate to call out their or thier partners bad sexual habits again if it meant saving thier lifes.
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Post by sabre on Aug 1, 2022 21:43:41 GMT 12
Still cant beat a good lesbian film 🤣🤣🤣
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Post by fish on Aug 2, 2022 9:38:31 GMT 12
Firstly I apologize wholeheartedly for any offence taken or received. A little story.... My best friend suffered brutally at the hands of his father (a Maori man with a drinking and violence problem) for being gay. So much so, that at 18 he left his home and never made contact with his father again. Over the years he roamed the southern hemisphere until he met the love of his life in San Francisco. I caught up with him when his partner died of aids (thru sleeping around) in the mid 90s. I went to San Francisco kicked his sorry ass,told him a few hard truths about staying alive and valueing life. Anyway, he pulled himself together, met a great partner and is now happily retired in the Castro. Who is this guy ... He is my brother and his mates are my mates.... And I would not hesitate to call out their or thier partners bad sexual habits again if it meant saving thier lifes. Thanks for giving the background to your view and explaining yourself Alchy. I don't agree with the language you put your view in the first place, and of course how that thread went, but it took two to go down hill like that. To me, this demonstrates the value of free speech. You have honestly held views from first hand life experience. That needs to be respected. And if you or the thread were banned or deleted, we would all be in ignorance as to the value and honesty of your view. And we would all be the poorer for it. The Deleted ask me what I would do if my kids said stuff like that at the dinner table. Well, I've given that thought. I would never ban them or send them to their room. I would want to understand why they were saying that, and understand their point of view. If I disagreed with their point of view, I'd work to put an arguement and persuade them to a different point of view. There would have been great value in the last thread if it focused on understanding and dialogue, rather than a bitch-fest of personal insults. That is probably a lesson in itself. I do appreciate you explaining your view. It is clearly a deeply personal and sensitive topic. It gives me great insight into how you reacted like you did. Thank you.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2022 11:33:50 GMT 12
No worries mate.
And thanks for understanding that there is more behind a post than a rant.
I hate people( hetro or homo) who put other's lives at Risk thru bad sexual behavior.
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Post by armchairadmiral on Aug 2, 2022 16:08:18 GMT 12
Yeah : agreed but I don't like that word in public forums.Just me and being a sailor my language can be colorful so I'm probably amongst the last who should complain
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Post by fish on Aug 2, 2022 17:07:52 GMT 12
Yeah : agreed but I don't like that word in public forums.Just me and being a sailor my language can be colorful so I'm probably amongst the last who should complain Its funny you mention that. I'm finding the c word offensive used in this context. I've been pondering asking the Admin to change the title of the thread i.e. 'Homophobic wankers on this board', but then I've been grappling with how that fits with the whole censorship thing. I was assuming this thread will just die and the title will sink to the bottom of the page, but I think there is actually some useful stuff to talk about, around stereo types and prejudices. What is everyone elses view on modifying the title of the thread so its not so offensive? Deleted, are you still around? what do you think now?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2022 17:21:50 GMT 12
Keep it. It's just a word and for me reflects the mood of the person at the time... Nobody died.
For me the Def of the C word means only one thing.... jacinda... That's it,!!!!... Change it to Jacinda!. 👍
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Post by jim on Aug 2, 2022 17:22:48 GMT 12
I've had this on my mind a lot - the thread or title at least needs to go - even an open anything goes outlook shouldn't stoop this low
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Post by dutyfree on Aug 2, 2022 19:23:08 GMT 12
It is not a word I choose to use (very often), but think it provides a hilarious contrast. The person who complains about people being offensive etc then uses a highly offensive word. Now they may have chosen it deliberately so as to offend, but they could have made just as strong a statement without using it. So they are happy to offend those that they find offensive, but are not happy for the counter view.
Now I am not saying that I agree with views that were expressed, but I think I am being labeled as guilty by association. Now if I was "outraged" or "offended" by everything or view that was counter to my world view, I think I would have a very sad life.
I could "call out" people but to be honest I read, move on and live my life.
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Post by Admin on Aug 2, 2022 19:59:22 GMT 12
This thread - including it’s title - is an ugly low-point in the history of this forum.
But it will stand as-is, with no editing, as an important statement of record of the discussion and the behaviour of those involved. Which includes some fiery & unsavoury exchanges… later followed by more contrition.
Outside observers who are shocked by the title but who read the content will quickly see that it is not representative of the majority mood.
This thread is an outlier - but even outliers have an important role to play in a world which is too frequently censored into the more comfortable & ‘correct’ language of today’s intolerant social discourse.
For this reason it will remain.
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Post by armchairadmiral on Aug 3, 2022 10:09:41 GMT 12
Mother Superior was engrossed in a crossword and was really stuck on one clue. What's a four letter word relating to women that ends in -u-n-t sh e asked.That would have to be a-u-n-t- said Sister Priscilla.Of course said Mother Superior. Please pass me the eraser, So I guess there's an element of personal responsibility in your reaction to words.
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