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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2022 18:55:49 GMT 12
Any one remember Davidson best trailer sailor... stormrider ?
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Post by Cantab on Aug 5, 2022 7:53:36 GMT 12
On my second Alan Wright design now.
Having sailed and raced on many different boats over the years, I was astounded how well behaved his yachts are. The natural balance while sailing is way ahead of anything else I had sailed previously, it was a real eye opener to how yachts could be, they are no slugs either.
I have great respect for Mr Farr in his achievements in the racing world in so many designs, he truly shook up the racing world everywhere he went. Wouldn't say they are necessary easy to sail, like Ross, tricky to keep balanced.
Young came up with some pretty good stuff to, back in the day I suspect Farr, Davidson, Young, Holland and Alan shared many a beer and talked their ideas over, you can see little hints of shared ideas in their work, while still maintaining some of their individual beliefs. Ron Given and Tennant and their influence on the Multis should be noted
Some of the modern planning designs are pretty impressive, I think the move to wider chinned sterns and fuller bow sections, twin rudders and performance keels has finally led to high performance in boats that sail well too, I think the dynamic performance of hull design is now really well understood.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2022 8:36:25 GMT 12
I think many design benefitted from technology advances more fast hull Shape.
Mr Carbon Fibre has contributed to More faster boats in the last 20 years than design!?
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Post by em on Aug 5, 2022 8:49:00 GMT 12
There are so many more too …from the latter half of the 20th century
Woolacott
Woolley
Haag
Ganley
townson
Stewart
Warwick
mummery
Lambert
Sayer
Dickson
white
firth
greg young
Bakewell-white
Dibley
Shaw
leech
Bennett
im sure there are heaps more ..
Salthouse
senior
Brooke
Thompson
Edlin
Vickers
Loomes
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Post by em on Aug 5, 2022 9:00:33 GMT 12
On my second Alan Wright design now. Having sailed and raced on many different boats over the years, I was astounded how well behaved his yachts are. The natural balance while sailing is way ahead of anything else I had sailed previously, it was a real eye opener to how yachts could be, they are no slugs either. I have great respect for Mr Farr in his achievements in the racing world in so many designs, he truly shook up the racing world everywhere he went. Wouldn't say they are necessary easy to sail, like Ross, tricky to keep balanced. Young came up with some pretty good stuff to, back in the day I suspect Farr, Davidson, Young, Holland and Alan shared many a beer and talked their ideas over, you can see little hints of shared ideas in their work, while still maintaining some of their individual beliefs. Ron Given and Tennant and their influence on the Multis should be noted Some of the modern planning designs are pretty impressive, I think the move to wider chinned sterns and fuller bow sections, twin rudders and performance keels has finally led to high performance in boats that sail well too, I think the dynamic performance of hull design is now really well understood. You are on the money with Hull Form stability . I have driven and followed a mini Comanche style hull around the track , it has half the bulb weight of an equivalent sized boat but probably twice the stability . The thing just gets to certain point of heel and stays there which is bloody frustrating when you are behind with your own boat on its ear and main eased out . unfortunately the only remotley cruisey boats that have that style of hull form are pogos which are as rare as rocking horse shit in NZ . But we certainly have the design expertise here if you are willing to spend millions ! |
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Post by ComfortZone on Aug 5, 2022 13:03:44 GMT 12
I have great respect for Mr Farr in his achievements in the racing world in so many designs, he truly shook up the racing world everywhere he went. Wouldn't say they are necessary easy to sail, like Ross, tricky to keep balanced. Young came up with some pretty good stuff to, back in the day I suspect Farr, Davidson, Young, Holland and Alan shared many a beer and talked their ideas over, you can see little hints of shared ideas in their work, while still maintaining some of their individual beliefs. Ron Given and Tennant and their influence on the Multis should be noted I really do not believe there was much in the way of collaboration between designers other than Farr freely acknowledging the general influence an guidance he received from Jim Young Unlike Greg Elliott who never showed the same courtesy to Jim). Of course there would have been some observation of what others were doing, eg especially Des Townson who started off on the light displacement philosophy then changed his direction to much heavier boats from the S & S influence. Farr was a leader in design rather than a follower, which is how I would rate Alan Wright and John Lidgard. Holland was really just a flash in the pan on racing yachts (I know one of the guys who worked on Lion and the stories he tells about Holland's off hand approach do not leave a good impression) , he made his money in bigger cruising and super yachts. Laurie was a bit of both, you can see alot of Jim's NZ37 in many of Laurie's designs. The one notable collaboration between Farr, Holland and Davidson was of course the GRP 12's Farr certainly pushed the limits in all ways, and his mathematical skills certainly allowed him to exploit rating rules to the max. Sometimes the structures were thinned down a little too much eg the ring frame issues on the 1 tonners, later some of the canting keel Volvo's and later still Beau Geste. Never quite sure who was responsible for the terrible keel stump design on the GRP 38's. I also remember the stretched arms after helming an early 38 on a reach. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2022 17:04:31 GMT 12
Any one remember Davidson best trailer sailor... stormrider ? Had a M20 ,big volume but not a race machine to windward. |
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Post by Woody on Aug 5, 2022 23:24:22 GMT 12
I have great respect for Mr Farr in his achievements in the racing world in so many designs, he truly shook up the racing world everywhere he went. Wouldn't say they are necessary easy to sail, like Ross, tricky to keep balanced. Young came up with some pretty good stuff to, back in the day I suspect Farr, Davidson, Young, Holland and Alan shared many a beer and talked their ideas over, you can see little hints of shared ideas in their work, while still maintaining some of their individual beliefs. Ron Given and Tennant and their influence on the Multis should be noted I really do not believe there was much in the way of collaboration between designers other than Farr freely acknowledging the general influence an guidance he received from Jim Young Unlike Greg Elliott who never showed the same courtesy to Jim). Of course there would have been some observation of what others were doing, eg especially Des Townson who started off on the light displacement philosophy then changed his direction to much heavier boats from the S & S influence. Farr was a leader in design rather than a follower, which is how I would rate Alan Wright and John Lidgard. Holland was really just a flash in the pan on racing yachts (I know one of the guys who worked on Lion and the stories he tells about Holland's off hand approach do not leave a good impression) , he made his money in bigger cruising and super yachts. Laurie was a bit of both, you can see alot of Jim's NZ37 in many of Laurie's designs. The one notable collaboration between Farr, Holland and Davidson was of course the GRP 12's Farr certainly pushed the limits in all ways, and his mathematical skills certainly allowed him to exploit rating rules to the max. Sometimes the structures were thinned down a little too much eg the ring frame issues on the 1 tonners, later some of the canting keel Volvo's and later still Beau Geste. Never quite sure who was responsible for the terrible keel stump design on the GRP 38's. I also remember the stretched arms after helming an early 38 on a reach. in the late eighties and nineties I helmed farr 1/4, 1/2, 1 tonners and farr 38s... They all had massive weatherhelm issues unless you carried big heavy air Genoas and reefed first... We user to kick ass doing this But this trend changed with the advent of full hoist No 3 blades and full mains upwind... That when the hell loaded up. We spoke to farr/ Bowler and Stagg and they said they were always designed to carry bigger no1,2, Genoas with reefing the first option before changing. The original number three was a short hoist storm sail But hood or North's? came up with a full hoist No3 that meant not reefing upwind until 25 knots which also meant no shaking out reefs down wind. |
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Post by ComfortZone on Aug 6, 2022 9:08:43 GMT 12
in the late eighties and nineties I helmed farr 1/4, 1/2, 1 tonners and farr 38s... They all had massive weatherhelm issues unless you carried big heavy air Genoas and reefed first... We user to kick ass doing this But this trend changed with the advent of full hoist No 3 blades and full mains upwind... That when the hell loaded up. We spoke to farr/ Bowler and Stagg and they said they were always designed to carry bigger no1,2, Genoas with reefing the first option before changing. The original number three was a short hoist storm sail But hood or North's? came up with a full hoist No3 that meant not reefing upwind until 25 knots which also meant no shaking out reefs down wind. In the late 80's Farr bought out a redesigned rudder for the 38's effectively moving it ~50mm forward on the stock to increase the balance, this made a big difference. Racing them in the early 80's it was like a game of chicken to see who would be the first to change genoa's or pull down a reef  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2022 12:30:34 GMT 12
Farr ton boats weren't that fast up wind but with the big mainsails carried more rag downwind.. especially in breeze.
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Post by chariot on Aug 7, 2022 21:00:21 GMT 12
Sailed on a Farr 38 for a while. Could be a handful at times but always had fun racing.
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Post by ComfortZone on Aug 7, 2022 21:56:03 GMT 12
Sailed on a Farr 38 for a while. Could be a handful at times but always had fun racing. Which 38? I was on Flight Path in the early 80's, lots of good racing, we were often near the front but not many guns. Our R & J sails were pretty ordinary. |
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Post by chariot on Aug 8, 2022 10:14:28 GMT 12
Was forward hand on Club Fed when Gary Best owned it. Not sure what the original name was but i think Ken Fedder changed the name when he owned it. Ken was first Farr 38 to Russel in the coastal with only his teenage son and some young mates as crew the first year he owned it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2022 17:40:40 GMT 12
There are so many more too …from the latter half of the 20th century Woolacott Woolley Haag Ganley townson Stewart Warwick mummery Lambert Sayer Dickson white firth greg young Bakewell-white Dibley Shaw leech Bennett im sure there are heaps more .. Salthouse senior Brooke Thompson Edlin Vickers Loomes the most famous. ..Henryc,(harry) Ashton Highet. Muir Frank bethwaite. Born in Wanganui Ron given |
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Post by ComfortZone on Aug 10, 2022 16:16:10 GMT 12
Was forward hand on Club Fed when Gary Best owned it. Not sure what the original name was but i think Ken Fedder changed the name when he owned it. Ken was first Farr 38 to Russel in the coastal with only his teenage son and some young mates as crew the first year he owned it. dug into the archives and found these from Flight Path days - bit of a whoops!. In the early 80's Akarana had downwind starts (with a SW) which made for awesome pileups at the Izzy bay buoy - the first mark. They subsequently changed to upwind starts with Compass Dolphin as the first mark   |
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