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Post by sabre on Aug 24, 2022 12:59:08 GMT 12
Any smart buggers here that have done the research on these and can save me some time and the hurt of potentially buying rubbish. I am only heating a 26fter so thinking a 2-2.2kw should do the job but the majority of heaters seem to be 5kw so that narrows my options down. I would prefer not to pay the big bucks for the big brand names at the big box stores. I keep leaning towards this heater.. Diesel Heater Belief Plateau 2Kw with Smart Controller www.trademe.co.nz/3736494267It is chinese and middle of the road price wise but I like the fact that the dealer has been selling them for years and can provide spare parts. Any thoughts?
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Post by Fogg on Aug 24, 2022 13:10:37 GMT 12
I bought Webasto a few years ago and despite paying big bucks for both the product and professional installation I had multiple problems. Never again.
If I needed another one I’d probably go Eberspacher although I know of several people who have bought the cheaper Chinese replicas and been very happy with them.
Diesel heating is great and a smart choice if you want to enjoy colder weather boating - we literally went from using our boat 5-6 months to 12 months. Loved it.
But do not buy a 4-5KW unit - it will be far too powerful and will cook you. I had a 5KW unit with 6 outlets with on a 42 footer and even that was too much at times. Go smaller if you can.
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Post by ComfortZone on Aug 24, 2022 13:17:02 GMT 12
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Post by fish on Aug 24, 2022 13:35:37 GMT 12
Oh, oh, I've just bought one, and have done loads of research on these. If you are going to pay $900 for the one in the TM link, just get the HeaterX / Heatspace one from Chch. Good repuation and local support. But you an get cheaper from China. We got a whoflungdung from China. It hasn't arrived yet. I can't actually remember the brand (will check which one we got). Me and my father spent ages researching the Chinese brands. The one we got, they replied overnight to an email sending us the operating manual before we ordered, so communication and actually being able to contact them was a big tick. They also stated they had ripped off the Kyocera glow plug, so acknowledged they knew what the good gear was and how to copy it. It was very very hard finding 2kW units that would ship to NZ, but we found one... We are going to install it in a box / suitcase above deck, at the back of the cockpit, as a temporary affair. This saves us all the cost and ball ache of trying to fit the ducting into an old wooden boat and make sure we don't set it on fire. Edit: This is what we have ordered. Hasn't arrived yet, so can't tell you if it is any good, but wait a couple of weeks and we will be able to comment. FDIK www.aliexpress.com/item/1005002958614280.html?pdp_npi=2%40dis%21NZD%21NZ%24%20361.72%21NZ%24%20198.94%21%21%21%21%21%402101e9d516597825283905996e9301%2112000023624052855%21sh&spm=a2g0o.store_pc_home.productList_2003083670682.subject_2
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Post by em on Aug 24, 2022 15:04:39 GMT 12
We have a heaterX from Christchurch . 2.2KW and it gets used for 4-6 hrs every night over winter in the house . It’s on its 2nd year so has had more use than a boat would ever have unless it was a live aboard . No problems whatsoever and no carbon build up yet .
We paid about $900 I think plus postage
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Post by sabre on Aug 24, 2022 19:02:42 GMT 12
I bought Webasto a few years ago and despite paying big bucks for both the product and professional installation I had multiple problems. Never again. If I needed another one I’d probably go Eberspacher although I know of several people who have bought the cheaper Chinese replicas and been very happy with them. Diesel heating is great and a smart choice if you want to enjoy colder weather boating - we literally went from using our boat 5-6 months to 12 months. Loved it. But do not buy a 4-5KW unit - it will be far too powerful and will cook you. I had a 5KW unit with 6 outlets with on a 42 footer and even that was too much at times. Go smaller if you can. Thanks Fogg. I had heard that the 5kw would be overkil. Also heard mostly good things about the chinese units but many suggest to buy two for spare parts. Just a little unsure about the quality of the accessories etc
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Post by sabre on Aug 24, 2022 19:09:18 GMT 12
That is very cool! It would really create a very cosy cabin but space is at a premium unfortunately.
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Post by sabre on Aug 24, 2022 19:12:06 GMT 12
Oh, oh, I've just bought one, and have done loads of research on these. If you are going to pay $900 for the one in the TM link, just get the HeaterX / Heatspace one from Chch. Good repuation and local support. But you an get cheaper from China. We got a whoflungdung from China. It hasn't arrived yet. I can't actually remember the brand (will check which one we got). Me and my father spent ages researching the Chinese brands. The one we got, they replied overnight to an email sending us the operating manual before we ordered, so communication and actually being able to contact them was a big tick. They also stated they had ripped off the Kyocera glow plug, so acknowledged they knew what the good gear was and how to copy it. It was very very hard finding 2kW units that would ship to NZ, but we found one... We are going to install it in a box / suitcase above deck, at the back of the cockpit, as a temporary affair. This saves us all the cost and ball ache of trying to fit the ducting into an old wooden boat and make sure we don't set it on fire. Edit: This is what we have ordered. Hasn't arrived yet, so can't tell you if it is any good, but wait a couple of weeks and we will be able to comment. FDIK www.aliexpress.com/item/1005002958614280.html?pdp_npi=2%40dis%21NZD%21NZ%24%20361.72%21NZ%24%20198.94%21%21%21%21%21%402101e9d516597825283905996e9301%2112000023624052855%21sh&spm=a2g0o.store_pc_home.productList_2003083670682.subject_2How much will that be landed? I haven't bought anything overseas for awhile.. do you have to pay GST on it?
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Post by sabre on Aug 24, 2022 19:22:55 GMT 12
We have a heaterX from Christchurch . 2.2KW and it gets used for 4-6 hrs every night over winter in the house . It’s on its 2nd year so has had more use than a boat would ever have unless it was a live aboard . No problems whatsoever and no carbon build up yet . We paid about $900 I think plus postage this one sounds like the duck nuts.. $899 and free delivery. I see it says the muffler isn't suitable for marine use. Do you know what the story is with that? Can you buy a marine suitable muffler or can it be run without it?
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Post by em on Aug 24, 2022 19:42:22 GMT 12
We have a heaterX from Christchurch . 2.2KW and it gets used for 4-6 hrs every night over winter in the house . It’s on its 2nd year so has had more use than a boat would ever have unless it was a live aboard . No problems whatsoever and no carbon build up yet . We paid about $900 I think plus postage this one sounds like the duck nuts.. $899 and free delivery. I see it says the muffler isn't suitable for marine use. Do you know what the story is with that? Can you buy a marine suitable muffler or can it be run without it? We run it without the muffler . It’s quite noisy on start up but quite down once it’s up to temp . Not sure where you get marine mufflers from
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Post by dutyfree on Aug 24, 2022 19:43:09 GMT 12
we had a Heater X on our last boat.Actually had the 5kw version Was really good. We would run it all night (make sure you get a CO detector). I think we bought a Eberspacher or Webasto marine kit for the installation. Be careful with cheap chinese mufflers, you cant have one with a condensation drain hole in it as it will bleed CO into your boat and potentially kill you
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Post by GO30 on Aug 24, 2022 20:47:38 GMT 12
Na, ya all wrong. Here in rural we have the luxurious insulation of not just one thin sheet of steel but also 2 whole layers of paint. It's a highly adaptive insulation that is in synch with our local environment, when it gets hotter outside it gets hotter inside and it even does the opposite just as well. It does all that without even using a battery, carbon or iAnything. But when the local environment gets a bit too chilly for the humans we also thought 'bugger this, lets get a heater'. So we looked for a smallish unit as it's the end of a shed so not huge. I had to work using no or next to no power there is only the smaller solar system to power everything. It couldn't burn things as the fumes stink and can be dangerous in smaller areas. Defiantly not a fan of yet more explosive liquids angle as we're challenging the local gas station already. Recyclable would be awesome. Even better if it had a component of renewable resource going on. Cost didn't really matter but in the end we found a heater that exactly fitted that entire list of desires for a miserly $199, so we brought 2. Those 2 old school knitted by hand woolly jerseys have been rockin it ever since.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2022 20:49:11 GMT 12
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Post by fish on Aug 24, 2022 20:50:21 GMT 12
We have a heaterX from Christchurch . 2.2KW and it gets used for 4-6 hrs every night over winter in the house . It’s on its 2nd year so has had more use than a boat would ever have unless it was a live aboard . No problems whatsoever and no carbon build up yet . We paid about $900 I think plus postage this one sounds like the duck nuts.. $899 and free delivery. I see it says the muffler isn't suitable for marine use. Do you know what the story is with that? Can you buy a marine suitable muffler or can it be run without it? There is a bunch of places to get the marine mufflers from. One of the NZ suppliers has them in stock, either heaterX or Heatport or HeatSpace. Two of those names are the same outfit, one is different. But you can get them from offshore for a fraction of the price. The main issue with a non-marine muffler is it is not sealed air tight around the edges, just kind of tac welded, or pressed. One of the ways you can deal with that is to get some exhaust cement and seal it up. Or heat stable silicon (if there is such a thing). You will need exhaust cement stuff for sealing other parts of the exhaust anyway. The 'other' NZ site I am talking about also has legit through hulls for the exhaust. There is a random way of finding it on the website. $110nz I think, or you can get them of Aliexpress for about $26 (or maybe $16), if you trust the quality. Aliexpress will do a marine muffler to I think. Regardless of where you get the stuff from, get a CO alarm. I found a battery powdered one at M10, Quell Brand, so well recognised name. I can't remember the landed cost of that stuff from AliExpress, mid $300. Freight is a fair bit, but they pay the GST (calculated at check out) if I remember correctly. (or is that Amazon, I know amazon do that). And unless they changed the rules, single items under $400 are exempt from all of that. My father made the transaction, so I'll need to check what it cost in the end.
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Post by fish on Aug 24, 2022 20:54:20 GMT 12
Na, ya all wrong. Here in rural we have the luxurious insulation of not just one thin sheet of steel but also 2 whole layers of paint. It's a highly adaptive insulation that is in synch with our local environment, when it gets hotter outside it gets hotter inside and it even does the opposite just as well. It does all that without even using a battery, carbon or iAnything. But when the local environment gets a bit too chilly for the humans we also thought 'bugger this, lets get a heater'. So we looked for a smallish unit as it's the end of a shed so not huge. I had to work using no or next to no power there is only the smaller solar system to power everything. It couldn't burn things as the fumes stink and can be dangerous in smaller areas. Defiantly not a fan of yet more explosive liquids angle as we're challenging the local gas station already. Recyclable would be awesome. Even better if it had a component of renewable resource going on. Cost didn't really matter but in the end we found a heater that exactly fitted that entire list of desires for a miserly $199, so we brought 2. Those 2 old school knitted by hand woolly jerseys have been rockin it ever since. Why do they call it the winterless north? I believe Sabre is in the South Island, you know, where men are men and women are receptionists.
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