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Post by fish on Aug 30, 2022 21:26:47 GMT 12
Race starts on Sunday - 4th Sept. This is always a train wreck, so should make good viewing. goldengloberace.com/Article about the guy that broke his back last time (in 5 places) and couldn't move until help arrived. Note they are starting in Sept instead of July, I'm assuming the logic is to make sure they get around Cape Horn in summer conditions. Last time they were getting late in the season (or was it too early), anyway, the weather gave them a hiding. www.aljazeera.com/sports/2022/8/30/abhilash-tomy-to-return |
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Post by sabre on Aug 30, 2022 22:10:29 GMT 12
Race starts on Sunday - 4th Sept. This is always a train wreck, so should make good viewing. goldengloberace.com/Article about the guy that broke his back last time (in 5 places) and couldn't move until help arrived. Note they are starting in Sept instead of July, I'm assuming the logic is to make sure they get around Cape Horn in summer conditions. Last time they were getting late in the season (or was it too early), anyway, the weather gave them a hiding. www.aljazeera.com/sports/2022/8/30/abhilash-tomy-to-returnI enjoy following the tracker and reading the reports once they get going. There is something magical about that era of sailboats. |
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Post by Fogg on Aug 31, 2022 13:07:54 GMT 12
Very true. It’s a ‘real’ race.
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Post by Fogg on Aug 31, 2022 13:16:03 GMT 12
If you wanted to do it in a kiwi design what would you choose that qualifies:
“Competitors must sail in production boats between 32ft and 36ft overall (9.75 – 10.97m) designed prior to 1988 that have a full-length keel with rudder attached to their trailing edge.”
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Post by sloopjohnb on Aug 31, 2022 13:17:44 GMT 12
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Post by fish on Aug 31, 2022 14:35:30 GMT 12
If you wanted to do it in a kiwi design what would you choose that qualifies: “Competitors must sail in production boats between 32ft and 36ft overall (9.75 – 10.97m) designed prior to 1988 that have a full-length keel with rudder attached to their trailing edge.” Hmmm, that rules out the quality Birdsall 37 that was going to be my first choice. too long and has a fin keel. Highly unlikely to get Cat 1 also, but that is just a minor detail ;-) What is that saying? the best boat for the voyage is the one you already own? |
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Post by Fogg on Aug 31, 2022 15:37:39 GMT 12
Would a Cav32 qualify?
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Post by fish on Aug 31, 2022 16:54:58 GMT 12
No. Its not a long keel, and the rudder isn't attached to the keel. It is a fairly tough rule. What NZ boats even have a long keel? The only one I can think of is the H28. NZ's great fame in yacht racing started just after the Golden Globe, and exclusively involved designers that used fin keels and spade rudders, i.e Farr, Young, Ross etc. A Stewart 34 wouldn't even qualify, the good old supertanker. An H28 would make it around, but you'd go nuts and die of old age considering how slow they'd be. |
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Post by ComfortZone on Aug 31, 2022 17:09:15 GMT 12
No. Its not a long keel, and the rudder isn't attached to the keel. It is a fairly tough rule. What NZ boats even have a long keel? The only one I can think of is the H28. NZ's great fame in yacht racing started just after the Golden Globe, and exclusively involved designers that used fin keels and spade rudders, i.e Farr, Young, Ross etc. A Stewart 34 wouldn't even qualify, the good old supertanker. An H28 would make it around, but you'd go nuts and die of old age considering how slow they'd be. I recall Compass Yachts also built an H36, in much smaller numbers in the late 70's. Basically an enlarged H28 (which was actually 29' 6" , the H28 design being massaged by John Lidgard), cannot think of any other long keel production yachts built here |
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Post by sabre on Aug 31, 2022 19:44:12 GMT 12
Cav 32 was my first thought but yeah no long keel. H36 is the only one I can think of.. are there any Woollacotts over 32'?
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Post by Fogg on Aug 31, 2022 19:47:26 GMT 12
Were any of John Lidgard’s designs long keel?
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Post by ComfortZone on Aug 31, 2022 20:04:40 GMT 12
are there any Woollacotts over 32'? There were a few but be mindful they were not really designed for offshore conditions, with one sinking in the 66 Suva race after her garboards opened up due to inadequate distribution of mast loads. This was a typical problem with them |
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Post by GO30 on Sept 1, 2022 10:54:43 GMT 12
If you wanted to do it in a kiwi design what would you choose that qualifies: “Competitors must sail in production boats between 32ft and 36ft overall (9.75 – 10.97m) designed prior to 1988 that have a full-length keel with rudder attached to their trailing edge.” I doubt there is any. NZ's never been good at production boats bar a decade around late 70's/early 80's and all of those would be fin keel.
I'd think CZ's H36, which are real and all ketchs from memory, would be the closest but did they make enough to be regarded as 'production' is the question.
Oh, Matangis? Stewart 36fters, far more long keel than fin and rudders hanging off the back. On thinking I'd say more Matangis than H36's were built. I sailed a Camelot, the 3 ft bigger version, to Tonga and back, we found how to sail them quick and when we had her in the groove she surprised us all at how fast she got along. The key is to keep them on their feet. I'd seriously consider doing a GG in a Matangi.
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Post by Fogg on Sept 1, 2022 11:24:11 GMT 12
Given both NZ’s location in the world (some of the most challenging seas) and it’s sailing history, I’m surprised that a boat like this doesn’t exist in the NZ maritime hall of fame.
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Post by ComfortZone on Sept 1, 2022 11:53:07 GMT 12
If you wanted to do it in a kiwi design what would you choose that qualifies: “Competitors must sail in production boats between 32ft and 36ft overall (9.75 – 10.97m) designed prior to 1988 that have a full-length keel with rudder attached to their trailing edge.” I doubt there is any. NZ's never been good at production boats bar a decade around late 70's/early 80's and all of those would be fin keel.
I'd think CZ's H36, which are real and all ketchs from memory, would be the closest but did they make enough to be regarded as 'production' is the question.
Oh, Matangis? Stewart 36fters, far more long keel than fin and rudders hanging off the back. On thinking I'd say more Matangis than H36's were built. I sailed a Camelot, the 3 ft bigger version, to Tonga and back, we found how to sail them quick and when we had her in the groove she surprised us all at how fast she got along. The key is to keep them on their feet. I'd seriously consider doing a GG in a Matangi.
The original H36's were ketches (so were the original H28's), the NZ modified versions by Compass Yachts were sloop rigged. Agree, do not think many were built. I read once re the Matangi's that Bob Stewart was somewhat shocked to hear that someone was racing one! Matangis and Camelots were built in wood, steel and ferro. I think Swanhilde which the Skinner family circumnavigated was a ferro Camelot with an aft cabin The Matangis are a bit full in the hull whereas the Camelot for much the same beam with a metre on the water line would get along quite well once the sheets were eased. Might wander around somewhat in a big following sea and I would expect they are a bit tender with their relatively shallow draft. Not sure I would want to take either offshore though with that big cabin side and big windows on a relatively low freeboard hull |
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