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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2022 23:30:51 GMT 12
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2022 7:40:32 GMT 12
Kind of opens a can of worms for Council/harbour master.
Correct mooring weight and vessel to suit.If it drags and your vessel gets wrecked whose to blame?? The council/harbour master issues permit and stipulates vessel size and weight and contractor lays it.
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Post by armchairadmiral on Sept 4, 2022 8:56:15 GMT 12
Yet another example of how our Government governs for itself (in this case Council) and how we are there to serve the bureaucrats. I've had plenty of experience at this. The b------ds have bottomless resources funded by you and I with no individual liability so they keep going in an attempt to break you. In this case it's likely that the wife had to accept a settlement because she couldn't keep funding. The system is so broken but those who could fix it have too much self interest. The bureaucrats are the nouveau rich with all the trappings that go with it. What's happened to Classique.? Probably on a mooring because he couldn't afford insurance. ?Remember when we all just went sailing without the rules of marinas. They wouldn't have let him in for a storm anyway,without insurance. The rich mans pastime now
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Post by ComfortZone on Sept 4, 2022 9:50:48 GMT 12
What's happened to Classique.? She is sitting on the piles at Robertsons - Warkworth (last picture in the Whoreald link) . Apparently Conrad has only been charging a peppercorn rental. Every now and then someone is onboard doing a little work but she still bears the scars of her grounding. She was advertised on Trademe for years but not at present  yacht at the top of the picture |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2022 4:56:30 GMT 12
Regardless of the mans capabilities. He was using a council/harbourmasters approved mooring for his vessel, as the findings show was laid incorrectly. As renter of a mooring how would he know if laid correctly or not.
Would it not fall under the consumer act??not fit for purpose?.
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Post by Cantab on Sept 6, 2022 7:02:17 GMT 12
www.nrc.govt.nz/media/wdip224f/mooringguidelines2012swingmooringtable.pdfMade a big difference to the number of lost boats when these rules were enforced, am always amazed that Auckland hasn't done the same. Moorings don't seem to drag anymore either. Seen several boats break off but all of them, bar one, had not attached the mooring correctly to the boat. the buoy rope is not the mooring rope, using sheet ropes through the mooring eye, no antichafe, bollard ripping out...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2022 11:20:00 GMT 12
Regardless of the mans capabilities. He was using a council/harbourmasters approved mooring for his vessel, as the findings show was laid incorrectly. As renter of a mooring how would he know if laid correctly or not. Would it not fall under the consumer act??not fit for purpose?. All of government and council are NOT FIT FOR PURPOSE! |
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Post by GO30 on Sept 6, 2022 16:25:55 GMT 12
There is a lot more to the Classique story than has been in the media lately and some that has been in the media is not accurate. Mel was his own worst enemy and insisted on specific moorings even though he was told they were not designed for his boat. It had been a ongoing battle about which mooring he should have been on for a long time.
I suspect the council looked at the potential costs and took the cheapest option to get it over with.
That's a war I've been raging on the Akl Shitty council for a while. They went from working OK but maybe one size up for the blows head ropes to 'council arse protection' sized ropes. When that happened I told them as the head ropes are now so huge most will not fit on the cleats so boats will start hanging off the buoy ropes and when they do some will come ashore. I have been proved 100% correct in saying that.
The 'head rope' is the big motherhumper that comes from the swivel to the boat. The 'Buoy rope' is a smaller line that goes from the head rope to the buoy and is intended just to be used to retrieve the head rope.
To say the Councils, and it's not Akl specific, understand the best around moorings is just not an accurate statement. Most councils have been hijacked by local contractors/suppliers that's why they cost so much up north and they are leaving such a environmental mess behind. Intentionally planned obsolescence is used in places which means lots of shit is left on the seabed, rather weird Why would ya?? ropes in another as the local supplier wants to keep a monopoly, rubber bands in places as the local 'expert' happens to also run a rubber band mooring business. The rorts are wild and many but all of them and most of the issues all track back to the local authority being lazy, very much self interested or they have been hijacked.
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Post by ComfortZone on Mar 22, 2023 12:44:23 GMT 12
follow up on the above, seems Classique has escaped the chainsaw and trip to the tip.
I was visiting Robertson's today to arrange CZ's haulout, to find Classique on the hard with bottom freshly painted and prop polished. That's the upside, talking to one of the guys there he says she is a mess inside from leaking deck and hole in the transom. Interior will need to be gutted and replaced along with all systems. New owner did not pay much for her but will need deep pockets to refurbish her.
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Post by GO30 on Mar 22, 2023 20:54:24 GMT 12
If some rich, and partially deluded, new owner does her up good stuff.
She is a nice looker and should sail well.
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Post by ComfortZone on Mar 23, 2023 7:30:09 GMT 12
If some rich, and partially deluded, new owner does her up good stuff. She is a nice looker and should sail well. a good example of a derelict boat being refurbished/repurposed was "Creightons Naturally" , renamed Camara. She sat rotting at GH for years and was purchased, I think from Customs, just before they were going to have her chopped up and dumped. Guy who bought her was a boat builder (foreman at Norsand?) and rebuilt her very quickly. They have made a few trips up to the islands now |
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