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Post by jim on Mar 6, 2023 20:30:44 GMT 12
"Rushbrook attributed the fault in part to the age of the fleet" . . . so if you put a reconditioned gearbox in an older vessel you can (in part) expect it to fail... i'd like to see the final report on the failure
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Post by fish on Mar 9, 2023 10:46:09 GMT 12
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Post by Fogg on Mar 9, 2023 12:44:55 GMT 12
Have the Brits just bought a dangerous lemon?
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Post by fish on Mar 9, 2023 14:22:21 GMT 12
Have the Brits just bought a dangerous lemon? I think the Straitsman is the only one that hasn't broken down.
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Post by Fogg on Mar 9, 2023 15:08:11 GMT 12
Ok so NZ just sold its only reliable ferry.
Just about sums it up really.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2023 17:09:57 GMT 12
We use to use "bluebridge" yrs ago,The Kent, only use transrail a few times but had issues with one of their new ships early 2000s,at low tide the ramp was too steep a angle and use to pull our trailer doors off as they touched the ramp,
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Post by eri on Mar 12, 2023 11:42:04 GMT 12
apparently 2 new ferries being built in south korea now to replace the 3 aging ferries
delivery in 2025-2026
so unlikely to be much if any improvement in services next year
and of course considerable scope for downside...
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Post by fish on Mar 12, 2023 14:56:16 GMT 12
apparently 2 new ferries being built in south korea now to replace the 3 aging ferries delivery in 2025-2026 so unlikely to be much if any improvement in services next year and of course considerable scope for downside...That is just some PR spin the govt is putting around via MSM. They haven't layed down either of those ferries yet. i.e. They haven't even started building them. It may be true that they have a contract to build two new ferries, but MSM hasn't even said if a contract is in place. That, and I wouldn't expect a brand now ferry to operate without issue. There is always commissioning, teething and the formal defects liability period. Noting also that they are hybrid ferries. Cause the existing technology is so unreliable... Does anyone know where we are up to with berthage for these new ferries? They wont fit in the current Welly berth, too big. So they are going to build a whole new wharf and terminal from scratch. I 'think' they've managed to settle on a location...
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Post by DuckMaster on Mar 12, 2023 15:59:27 GMT 12
apparently 2 new ferries being built in south korea now to replace the 3 aging ferries delivery in 2025-2026 so unlikely to be much if any improvement in services next year and of course considerable scope for downside...That is just some PR spin the govt is putting around via MSM. They haven't layed down either of those ferries yet. i.e. They haven't even started building them. It may be true that they have a contract to build two new ferries, but MSM hasn't even said if a contract is in place. That, and I wouldn't expect a brand now ferry to operate without issue. There is always commissioning, teething and the formal defects liability period. Noting also that they are hybrid ferries. Cause the existing technology is so unreliable... Does anyone know where we are up to with berthage for these new ferries? They wont fit in the current Welly berth, too big. So they are going to build a whole new wharf and terminal from scratch. I 'think' they've managed to settle on a location... Actually, it is not just PR spin, but a fact that KiwiRail has selected Hyundai Mipo Dockyard in South Korea to build the two new Interislander ferries, and the shipbuilding contract was signed in June 2021 after extensive technical and commercial negotiations. Keel laying will start in August 2024 and sea trials are scheduled for May 2025. The money has been secured, loan documents signed and the necessary agreements are in place - the only thing stopping it from happening now, is that the shipyards need to finish existing projects so they have some room. The terminal location has already been decided, approvals have been granted, and construction work has even begun. KiwiRail has made the wise decision to invest in new hybrid ferries that prioritize sustainability and reduce carbon emissions. The new ferries will be equipped with the latest propulsion systems, resulting in greater fuel efficiency and lower CO2 emissions. Let's be real, those who cannot get on board with hybrid engines and sustainable practices are going the way of the dinosaurs. From the beginning, a remarkable 30% of each crossing (including port time) will be backed up by the highest technology battery and shore power systems. Equipped with the latest propulsion systems, these ships have been designed to minimize the wake energy, even though they'll be significantly larger than the Kaitaiki, reducing the shoreline impact. Needless to say, the diesel electric hybrid system is the epitome of fuel efficiency, and produces incomparably lower CO2 emissions, as well as being well-prepared for future eco-friendly fuel sources. It's time to face the music, embrace the future, and prioritize eco-friendliness.
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Post by Cantab on Mar 12, 2023 16:49:27 GMT 12
"It's time to face the music, embrace the future, and prioritize eco-friendliness."
Trouble is we all live in the present, and that's one giant fuckup because of all the woke "embracing the future" types.
When the future gets here, based on the current track record, it will be a clusterfuck too.
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Post by DuckMaster on Mar 12, 2023 17:11:09 GMT 12
"It's time to face the music, embrace the future, and prioritize eco-friendliness." Trouble is we all live in the present, and that's one giant fuckup because of all the woke "embracing the future" types. When the future gets here, based on the current track record, it will be a clusterfuck too. Oh, absolutely! You're so right, @cantab. We should just ignore the fact that our current practices are contributing to the destruction of our planet and all its inhabitants. Who needs a future anyway? Let's just keep burning fossil fuels and polluting our air and water, because that's worked out so well for us in the past, hasn't it? And you know what, let's also ignore the fact that KiwiRail's decision to invest in new hybrid ferries isn't just some fleeting trend, but a strategic move towards sustainability and reducing carbon emissions. Why bother trying to make positive changes when we can just continue to contribute to the problem? I mean, who cares about future generations, right? They can just deal with the mess we leave behind. It's truly refreshing to hear such a well-informed and thoughtful perspective on environmental issues. I mean, why bother striving for progress and improvement when we can just stay stuck in the past, blindly repeating the same mistakes over and over again? Let's just sit back, relax, and watch as the world burns around us. Thanks for sharing your enlightening views, @cantab. We'll be sure to keep them in mind as we continue to make decisions about the future of our planet.
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Post by GO30 on Mar 12, 2023 18:25:50 GMT 12
When the future gets here, based on the current track record, it will be a clusterfuck too. you've already been proved correct. The 'state of the art' Welly one is your cluster fuck in real life.
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Post by DuckMaster on Mar 12, 2023 19:18:56 GMT 12
When the future gets here, based on the current track record, it will be a clusterfuck too. you've already been proved correct. The 'state of the art' Welly one is your cluster fuck in real life. I am aware that the Wellington electric ferry experienced initial teething issues and even encountered a complete power outage. These difficulties remind me of my time working as a deckhand at Fullers in 1988. Back then, the state-of-the-art Fullers Quickcat also had teething problems and lost propulsion while maneuvering at slow speeds. This was due to the new state-of-the-art digital oil pressure alarm that caused issues. I also remember a time in the early 2000's when the Quickcat lost all propulsion at Maitiatia on the way back to Auckland. I wasn't working for them then, but was told by a friend at the time. What is it about the Wellington electric ferry that you consider it to be such a clusterfuck?
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Post by fish on Mar 12, 2023 20:11:19 GMT 12
That is just some PR spin the govt is putting around via MSM. They haven't layed down either of those ferries yet. i.e. They haven't even started building them. It may be true that they have a contract to build two new ferries, but MSM hasn't even said if a contract is in place. That, and I wouldn't expect a brand now ferry to operate without issue. There is always commissioning, teething and the formal defects liability period. Noting also that they are hybrid ferries. Cause the existing technology is so unreliable... Does anyone know where we are up to with berthage for these new ferries? They wont fit in the current Welly berth, too big. So they are going to build a whole new wharf and terminal from scratch. I 'think' they've managed to settle on a location... Actually, it is not just PR spin, but a fact that KiwiRail has selected Hyundai Mipo Dockyard in South Korea to build the two new Interislander ferries, and the shipbuilding contract was signed in June 2021 after extensive technical and commercial negotiations. Keel laying will start in August 2024 and sea trials are scheduled for May 2025. The money has been secured, loan documents signed and the necessary agreements are in place - the only thing stopping it from happening now, is that the shipyards need to finish existing projects so they have some room. The terminal location has already been decided, approvals have been granted, and construction work has even begun. KiwiRail has made the wise decision to invest in new hybrid ferries that prioritize sustainability and reduce carbon emissions. The new ferries will be equipped with the latest propulsion systems, resulting in greater fuel efficiency and lower CO2 emissions. Let's be real, those who cannot get on board with hybrid engines and sustainable practices are going the way of the dinosaurs. From the beginning, a remarkable 30% of each crossing (including port time) will be backed up by the highest technology battery and shore power systems. Equipped with the latest propulsion systems, these ships have been designed to minimize the wake energy, even though they'll be significantly larger than the Kaitaiki, reducing the shoreline impact. Needless to say, the diesel electric hybrid system is the epitome of fuel efficiency, and produces incomparably lower CO2 emissions, as well as being well-prepared for future eco-friendly fuel sources. It's time to face the music, embrace the future, and prioritize eco-friendliness. Thanks DM, you confirmed my main point. They aren't building new ferries yet. Everyone is saying they are in build. They aren't. Good to hear they have a contract in place. You clearly missed my sense of humour on the hybrid thing. If they can't make straight diesels work now, how can we have confidence they can operate and maintain the latest, bleeding edge technology? I've no problem with reducing fuel consumption, but fuck the environment, it saves money. I drive a hybrid and the family car is an PHEV... Your comments on the quick cat and the Wellington EV ferry also reinforce my point on over-expectation of reliability. The new ferries will have teething issues, new things always do, Doubly more so with new tech. The current PR is around daily breakdowns of the existing ferries, and how these new ferries will stop that. They will be the solution. In the very long term I would hope so, but in the short term (if you call 3 years short term) I wouldn't expect them to be reliable when they first turn up. I still can't see how people or freight companies can expect to get across Cook Straight when the actually booked to, for a very long time. PS, good to know they've actually started building the new terminal. Anyone know anything about who specified the new ferries, and if it was a disaster govt department job, or a half descent private sector specification? Hopefully they used a capable consultant and not some pen pusher based on the Terrace.
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Post by DuckMaster on Mar 12, 2023 22:09:13 GMT 12
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