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Post by fish on Jul 11, 2023 20:36:24 GMT 12
The Hamilton to Auckland commuter train has been banned from Auckland, for running red lights, 2 in a month. Firstly, I must applaud Waka Koathanger for taking action BEFORE a fatal incident. BUT, this raises sooooooo many questions. 1) Aren't train drivers paid to watch the signals and start and stop the train accordingly? 2) The train must have some fancy safety system fitted, but, it is pulled by the same diesel electric locomotives that haul all our freight trains into the port and back. Do they need all this fancy safety gear, or are the freight train drivers not colourblind? 3) Now that the Minister of Filth, Michael Wood, is out of the way, is someone using this as an opportunity to shaft a pet project? 4) How come Waka Koathanger has power of Kiwirail, and is they are the appropriate regulator, what is the point of the TAIC? Can't we just sack them all and save on the double up? Noting TAIC are one of three govt agencies investigating the Paihia ferry crash. Surely there is something going on in the background? Does Te huia have too short a timeslot to get through the sectors, and it keeps on buggering up the AT commuter train timetables? Is this a squabble over track space and scheduling? www.stuff.co.nz/national/300925717/te-huia-train-banned-from-auckland-city-after-twice-failing-to-stop-on-red
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Post by eri on Jul 11, 2023 21:02:19 GMT 12
ran 2 red lights
that's the kind of casual incompetence/ignorance that kills hundreds every year in train collisions overseas
Hopefully this will focus the minds of the drivers
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Post by em on Jul 12, 2023 9:17:24 GMT 12
Skullduggery for sure , there’s comms/control centre in Ellerlslie ? For the main trunk line . You would think it would be similar to air traffic control in that the trains are being monitored in real time by at least 1 person . No room for error in Auckland with the motorway on one side and houses on the other …plus other commuter trains of course .
I’m guessing the Te Huia driver/s told control to get fucked they are coming through to stay on schedule ? Or Hamilton comms told Auckland to suck a kūmara . I highly doubt it’s driver error .
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Post by fish on Jul 12, 2023 11:02:36 GMT 12
Skullduggery for sure , there’s comms/control centre in Ellerlslie ? For the main trunk line . You would think it would be similar to air traffic control in that the trains are being monitored in real time by at least 1 person . No room for error in Auckland with the motorway on one side and houses on the other …plus other commuter trains of course . I’m guessing the Te Huia driver/s told control to get fucked they are coming through to stay on schedule ? Or Hamilton comms told Auckland to suck a kūmara . I highly doubt it’s driver error . I'm fairly sure Auckland commuter trains are controlled from Wellington. I recall all Auckland commuter trains stuck on the track cause there was a power outage in somewhere like Petone. What I don't understand is Te Huia uses the same locomotives as all the freight trains. They run on the same tracks all the way down to the port and back, so are they running red lights as well? Reading up on it, they are needing to install a system that automatically slows the train when it approaches a red signal. All I can think is Te Huia can't stop fast enough? Or it is travelling faster than freight trains do, so takes longer to stop? But being substantially lighter I can't see how that is an issue. I wonder where the "Restore Passenger Rail" protestors are now? The ones that go and glue themselves to motorways to make us all take the train. Headline "SoE Kiwirail can't organise a root in a whore house, or run a scheduled commuter train". Mind you, that comment could drift us into the state of the Cook Straight ferries.
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Post by em on Jul 12, 2023 11:53:30 GMT 12
Skullduggery for sure , there’s comms/control centre in Ellerlslie ? For the main trunk line . You would think it would be similar to air traffic control in that the trains are being monitored in real time by at least 1 person . No room for error in Auckland with the motorway on one side and houses on the other …plus other commuter trains of course . I’m guessing the Te Huia driver/s told control to get fucked they are coming through to stay on schedule ? Or Hamilton comms told Auckland to suck a kūmara . I highly doubt it’s driver error . I'm fairly sure Auckland commuter trains are controlled from Wellington. I recall all Auckland commuter trains stuck on the track cause there was a power outage in somewhere like Petone. What I don't understand is Te Huia uses the same locomotives as all the freight trains. They run on the same tracks all the way down to the port and back, so are they running red lights as well? Reading up on it, they are needing to install a system that automatically slows the train when it approaches a red signal. All I can think is Te Huia can't stop fast enough? Or it is travelling faster than freight trains do, so takes longer to stop? But being substantially lighter I can't see how that is an issue. I wonder where the "Restore Passenger Rail" protestors are now? The ones that go and glue themselves to motorways to make us all take the train. Headline "SoE Kiwirail can't organise a root in a whore house, or run a scheduled commuter train". Mind you, that comment could drift us into the state of the Cook Straight ferries. It’s a shame we can’t have a passenger train service in this country linking the main centres . You will have remembered the trains in the UK ? We use them a lot when we go to London . The Te Huia concept is a good one but the execution is lacking a bit , we lived in Hamilton for a bit when it was being mooted and would have used it for sure . And would totally use a service from Whangarei too ….driving to Auckland from anywhere is a pain in the arse and life endangering at the best of times .
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Post by fish on Jul 12, 2023 12:04:54 GMT 12
I've been used to a train every 6 minutes. If I was walking to the station and a train was pulling in, I wouldn't bother running, cause by the time I casually strolled up the the platform, another one would be pulling in. That was Greenwich, London. Was basically the same when I was living in Reading, wanting to get into London, but there were more platforms at Reading so further to walk to the one I needed.
And you could set your watch by the trains in Europe. But there are several factors affecting this in NZ. Landscape, almost all of England and Europe are flat to dead flat. NZ is predominantly hilly, oh, and slip prone. That and the population density. You need the population density to pay for it.
On the Fungarei question, it is beyound me why they wont run a train from Huapai. There is an existing station and track. There is HUGE housing development surrounding the station, and the road links into the city are shit. If they can't run a train from Huapai, good luck getting one going from Fungarei (same line isn't it?)
Something else that concerns me greatly is ongoing threats to run trains up the North Shore. They sight the success of the busway and say we need trains. Really? Trains need flat grade. The North shore has ridgelines everywhere with valleys and bays, about the worse possible landscape to lay train tracks on. But for some reason they want to blow another billion on a harbour rail crossing, I think to serve Takapuna. Not sure why they can't use longer buses, like the Aussie road-trains, but for people instead of cattle. And use the billion dollar cost of the rail harbour crossing to pay the bus drivers properly.
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Post by armchairadmiral on Jul 12, 2023 15:23:37 GMT 12
This is a possibly engineered 'problem' to stop the service and save face for the guvmit. Passenger trains in NZ are a financial disaster. For the 323 passengers a WEEK the millions wasted should be going on road maintenance. NZ has a small population spread over 900 miles and 3 islands. History shows that urban areas excepted public transport is not viable. It would be cheaper to pay Uber to take the 323 from Hamilton /return
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Post by em on Jul 12, 2023 15:33:40 GMT 12
When I was a kid growing up on north shore I Remember some of the concrete roads from Milford through takapuna to Devonport and also from highbury down to Birkenhead wharf . Apparently they had trams linking to the ferries prior to the harbour bridge opening . Shame they didn’t keep that network …imagine gliding down lake road at 9 O’clock in the morning down the centre of the cluster that’s there now .
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Post by muzled on Jul 13, 2023 10:55:55 GMT 12
Just saw this on greater auckland. Sounds like another case of the H missing from w(h)aka kotahi.
Te Huia heading for extinction?
On Tuesday Kiwirail announced that Te Huia, the train between Hamilton and Auckland will terminated at Papakura from now on due to Waka Kotahi banning it from operating within the Auckland metro network following a series of cases where it ran red lights.
From this afternoon, the Hamilton-Auckland train service Te Huia will no longer be travelling to The Strand in Parnell, and will instead be stopping at Papakura.
This follows a requirement from the rail regulator Waka Kotahi.
“KiwiRail takes all safety incidents seriously, and we are treating this situation with the highest priority,” says KiwiRail’s Executive General Manager Operations Paul Ashton.
“We realise the disruption this may cause for our passengers and we apologise to them and to Waikato Regional Council.
“For the rest of this week, there will be bus replacements between The Strand, Puhinui and Papakura, and customers will not be charged for this bus replacement service.
“Next week, we will be running the service to Papakura. Customers will then need to connect into an Auckland Transport service using a HOP Card to continue, as they did when Te Huia first launched in April 2021.”
Waka Kotahi today (Tuesday) said it is requiring KiwiRail to install European Train Control System (ETCS) technology on Te Huia if it is to operate within the Auckland metropolitan network.
ETCS is a predictive safety system used by Auckland metropolitan trains to slow trains approaching a red signal. Currently, it operates only on Auckland Transport trains, and only in the Auckland Metro area.
Waka Kotahi has imposed the restriction following an incident in the Auckland Metro Network three weeks ago that saw Te Huia pass a stop signal near Penrose. There was also a minor incident yesterday where Te Huia, which was not carrying passengers at the time, overran a signal just north of Hamilton. There were no other train movements in this area, and it was outside the Auckland metro region.
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“Waka Kotahi has said today it wants ETCS installed in Te Huia, for operations in the Auckland metro network, which we plan to do in due course. However, it will take more than 12 months to design, install and test ETCS on Te Huia’s locomotives.”
This is incredibly disappointing as usage of the service has been growing and prior to the school holidays was averaging almost 300 passengers per weekday. A year ago it was just over 200.
A couple of other things stood out to me about this.
Kiwirail identified at least as far back as 2015 that they urgently needed to put ETCS equipment on their freight trains. Why have they done nothing about it till now.
Freight trains and the Northern Explorer also don’t have the ETCS equipment and could just as easily create the same kind of issue. Why is it that Waka Kotahi have only targeted Te Huia
Imagine if we treated roads or trucking companies the same way.
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Post by harrytom on Jul 13, 2023 11:51:47 GMT 12
The Fat controller has stepped in,"Thomas you have been a naughty engine and can no longer go past Papakura". Bulgy and Bertie buses got their wish down with trains.
Now commutors have to get a hop card to carry with AK buses/trains. But how long before there are no NZbus drivers as for the next 3 days wont be collecting fares as part of their industrial action? Didnt think they took money?its a honesty system tag on tag off
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