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Post by GO30 on Nov 2, 2023 19:35:57 GMT 12
So anyone have any ideas why it's called a Chinese Gybe? .
While the Chinese have been sailing long, very very long, before we were even a thought, they sailed Junks and crash gybing one of those I don't see as being that spooky. So I'm struggling to make a connection.
Anyone have any clues?
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Post by elliot749 on Nov 2, 2023 19:42:12 GMT 12
A very good question ! Chinese junk rigged yachts had no heavy boom apparently just the bamboo battens, and were tricky beasts to gybe I think
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Post by GO30 on Nov 2, 2023 19:52:21 GMT 12
A very good question ! Chinese junk rigged yachts had no heavy boom apparently just the bamboo battens, and were tricky beasts to gybe I think I thought so and for a similar reason.
The gybe I understand by where does the 'Chinese' come into it?
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Post by Duckmaster. on Nov 2, 2023 20:00:57 GMT 12
I looked into this a while ago. I could not find any origin. It seems to just be a term that has stuck for what is technically a round-down.
A bit like the term Chinese whispers, Chinese downhill, Chinese fire drill, Chinese box, Chinese puzzle, Chinese Wall... - there's no need rhyme or reason for the word Chinese in those activities and depending on who you are talking to it could be seen as derogatory.
Depending on what sailing circles you are in at the time, it's could be culturally insensitive, cause of course the Chinese don't use that term... - they call it a "sudden wind shift" or "abrupt wind change".
I am not sure that round-downs (aka Chinese Gybes) are actually possible for boats running asymmetrics - I have certainly never experienced or seen one - it's really a symmetrical thing - you can't get deep enough with a Asym, the thing collapses before it is able to pull the boat down, so you if you are flying an asym and you gybe you really just end up with an "accidental gybe". The boat stays upright and you end up with an upright cluster fuck.
Where as with the Symetrical the boat ends up on it's side AND you end up with a double sideways cluster fuck.
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Post by fish on Nov 2, 2023 20:14:24 GMT 12
I think it is derogatory in origin. I googled the meaning and got the below:
It is called “Chinese” for the poor level of sailing preparation of the people of same name but it is actually an involuntary gybe. Highly feared in the era of spinnakers, now it is perceived as a less serious danger.
My favourite Chinese term is the Chinese fingertrap. I've been tying FG knots for my fishing braid to leader. It is basically a Chinese fingertrap of the braid around the leader, with a bunch of half hitches to lock it off. That would be very uncomfortable pocking your finger into one of them.
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Post by GO30 on Nov 2, 2023 20:15:37 GMT 12
That is not far off what I was thinking, based on bugger all really. When sailing with A sails and losing it we tended to call them spin outs but Chinese gybe when running with symmetricals. On drilling down both were technically more fuck ups but as we have so many I suppose it's good to sub categorise into spin out, etc. Gonna have to ponder that one now you put it like that. I'll even ask the team tomorrow, that could be interesting with the age range we have  The younger may mention cultural aspect but I doubt the senior will. Then again they surprise me now and again so ya just never know. By team I mean staff and custies. Often punters will wait for a splice or something so we get these awesome conversations going. I suspect most don't come in expecting to get asked some of the questions they do  |
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Post by GO30 on Nov 2, 2023 20:21:00 GMT 12
I think it is derogatory in origin. I googled the meaning and got the below: It is called “Chinese” for the poor level of sailing preparation of the people of same name but it is actually an involuntary gybe. Highly feared in the era of spinnakers, now it is perceived as a less serious danger. I was pondering over some of the other Chinese 'things' Ducky mentioned and thought some were meant in not a good way. So the above sort of does fit, as sad as it is considering we and the dick who coined it will never sail the miles the Chinese had long before we even existed. |
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The younger may mention cultural aspect but I doubt the senior will. Then again they surprise me now and again so ya just never know. By team I mean staff and custies. Often punters will wait for a splice or something so we get these awesome conversations going. I suspect most don't come in expecting to get asked some of the questions they do 