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Post by Fogg on Jan 2, 2024 16:44:07 GMT 12
My estimated duration is 6hrs.
This is based on predicted distance closer to 9nm (16.5km) and I swim about 1.6kts (3km/h). Allowing for stops for refuelling total time 5.5-6hrs in round numbers.
I realise I want to ideally start and end in slack water in the my start and end points - which might not necessarily mean starting at dead high or low. And then I want to enjoy maximum tidal assistance around the mid-point ie 3hrs in.
But I’m struggling to decipher the tidal charts to work out what time I need to start to achieve this!
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Post by ComfortZone on Jan 2, 2024 17:03:18 GMT 12
High tide at Tiri on Thursday is 13.49, low tide is 20.11, ie 6 hrs 20min, Mahurangi and Bon Accord are within a couple of minutes of this so no difference to concern yourself. So assuming you want the tide in your favour (and don't mind finishing approx 2000) for your 6 hr swim you should start from Tiri at approx 13.30-45.
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Post by Fogg on Jan 2, 2024 17:12:49 GMT 12
That doesn’t look right at all (namely starting close to high).
Because according to the HW chart I’ll start swimming against it.
And 1hr later rhumb line I’m still swimming against it and being set east.
At 3hrs I’m being set even more strongly to the east.
Only 5hrs after HW do I see tide flowing with me.
See what I mean?
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Post by harrytom on Jan 2, 2024 17:26:50 GMT 12
I would be more concerned doing that swim at this time of yr. Very good chance of getting a bump or 2. Lots of Hammers cruise that area and makos with this warm water.
Last Saturday was a surprised to get a thresher off rotoroa.
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Post by Fogg on Jan 2, 2024 17:34:41 GMT 12
I was waiting for someone to mention sharks.
I do think about it. But if I worry too much I won’t swim at all.
I will try to avoid swimming close to boats fishing - for obvious reasons. The challenge is that might be quite hard at this time of year on the kind of day I want to swim ie it will attract lots of fishing action.
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Post by Fogg on Jan 2, 2024 17:38:07 GMT 12
Here are my numpty homemade tide pics based on a simplified view of the flows show in the tide chart. And by reversing the flows for the ebb. Obviously Kawau is to semicircle at the top and Tiri the little point at the bottom. It suggest to me that I should start around HW+3 or HW+4 and aim to finish about LW+3. In other words to swim through LW in the middle of the swim to get the best tide flows with me for 3 hrs in the middle covering HW+5, LW and LW+1. Does that make sense to others?
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Post by harrytom on Jan 2, 2024 17:43:20 GMT 12
I was waiting for someone to mention sharks. I do think about it. But if I worry too much I won’t swim at all. I will try to avoid swimming close to boats fishing - for obvious reasons. The challenge is that might be quite hard at this time of year on the kind of day I want to swim ie it will attract lots of fishing action. Safe time would be 10.00am to 4.00pm when they bask. Early morning/evening they tend to feed. We were trolling for kings when we got ours,open blue water. Seaweed is more likely to make you gasp Seriously though when was the last shark attack in the gulf?? Never heard of anyone getting a bite while swimming. Happens down south on the paua grounds but think there is plenty of school fish in the gulf. Good luck,not my cuppa tea but nor is swimming in saltwater unless involuntary. Hate sand/saltwater
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Post by Fogg on Jan 2, 2024 19:10:11 GMT 12
Yes that’s a good steer to target 10:00-16:00hrs. The challenge is finding days when the tides work well in that window as well as the weather. And of course me being ‘prepped’.
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Post by em on Jan 2, 2024 20:05:57 GMT 12
I was waiting for someone to mention sharks. I do think about it. But if I worry too much I won’t swim at all. I will try to avoid swimming close to boats fishing - for obvious reasons. The challenge is that might be quite hard at this time of year on the kind of day I want to swim ie it will attract lots of fishing action. Safe time would be 10.00am to 4.00pm when they bask. Early morning/evening they tend to feed. We were trolling for kings when we got ours,open blue water. Seaweed is more likely to make you gasp Seriously though when was the last shark attack in the gulf?? Never heard of anyone getting a bite while swimming. Happens down south on the paua grounds but think there is plenty of school fish in the gulf. Good luck,not my cuppa tea but nor is swimming in saltwater unless involuntary. Hate sand/saltwater Last time was the guy training for an ocean swim . Off the point at Muriwai , he had just set off from Māori Bay and was heading north . Seems like it was a two shark attack , Bronzie and great white but there was confusion about which shark started . Very very sad event that affected the whole community out there . I surfed for 35 years in some very sharky spots without a sighting but now I’ve stopped sharks give me the shits …manukau heads , hokianga heads , Cape Reinga , Spirits Bay , maunganui bluff , Celtic rockwall forest secret reef spot , 90 mile beach bluff . Also many hundreds of hours solo on Auckland’s westcoast non access beaches , wigmores , whites , Anawhata , oneills and mussels which is about 1K from where the swimmer got attacked . All great white hotspots but I never saw one , bet they saw me though ! . i take my hat off to you foggster flailing about out there in the yonder , go well mate and god speedos !
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Post by Fogg on Jan 2, 2024 20:09:33 GMT 12
My latest thinking on swimming Thursday is either:
Tiri to Kawau: start 6am finish 1200noon or Long Bay to Tiri: start 12pm on finish 6pm
I’m undecided which is ‘safer’ from shark perspective.
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Post by fish on Jan 2, 2024 20:28:57 GMT 12
My latest thinking on swimming Thursday is either: Tiri to Kawau: start 6am finish 1200noon or Long Bay to Tiri: start 12pm on finish 6pm I’m undecided which is ‘safer’ from shark perspective. I would say Long Bay to Tiri is safer on sharks. The bronzies are a major bother for fishos. By all accounts (from the Diawa Rep) the bronzies are starting to associate the sound of an outboard with dinner bells. As in they hear a fizz boat turn up and they start waiting for dinner, like a snapper go past whacking it's tail in distress. That, and my live baiting efforts for kingfish has resulted in 5 out of 5 shark hook ups and zero kingfish (as an aside, I'm thinking of giving up on livebaiting cause of the shark issue. I'm just leaving hooks in them which is uncool). The eastern side of Tiri, around Shearer Rock, is notorious for sharks. But in saying that I've hooked three on the south side not far from Hobbs Bay. And Flat Rock is notorious for sharks. Basically, anywhere fishos frequent will be higher in sharks than somewhere else. There are less prime fisho spots between Long Bay and Tiri. Plenty Around Tiri, between Tiri and Kawau (the 40m line is popular at the moment) and plenty of fishing spots around Kawau. That, and something always happens in Bostaque Bay. Last time we saw a shark pump clean out of the water there, for no apparent reason... PS, sharks don't like being seen. Spearo's often wear fake eyes printed on their mask strap, so it looks like eyes on the back of their heads. If you are worried about sharks, you could draw eyes on your torso. There are eletro-magnetic shark repellents you can get (Ocean Angler). Not cheap, and people say they don't work - although that is in the context of sharks nicking your catch while spear fishing. That, and they'd be a major pain to swim with. I'd just avoid going near anything that looks like a fishing boat.
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Post by Fogg on Jan 2, 2024 20:47:01 GMT 12
Avoiding fishing boats at this time of year is the major challenge.
Even if I try to alter course slightly the boat can easily change position or a new one arrive uncomfortably close to me (even with Fogg alongside).
Pretty much most of the Gulf will have fishing boats zapping around right now - especially on a calmer day.
What about if I swim across Colville Channel instead? That’s a similar distance and probably quieter for recreational fishing?
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Post by fish on Jan 2, 2024 21:06:31 GMT 12
Avoiding fishing boats at this time of year is the major challenge. Even if I try to alter course slightly the boat can easily change position or a new one arrive uncomfortably close to me (even with Fogg alongside). Pretty much most of the Gulf will have fishing boats zapping around right now - especially on a calmer day. What about if I swim across Colville Channel instead? That’s a similar distance and probably quieter for recreational fishing? Well, the area to the West of Cape Colville, including south a bit and out to Anchorite rock is also super popular for work-ups. That and the tidal streams. How worried are you about sharks? You don't wear a wetsuit do you? so don't look too much like a seal. I can understand the swimming motion making splashing and attracting attention, but if the vis is good I wouldn't have thought a shark would mistake you for something edible. My understanding is most shark attacks are in surf or water that is otherwise churned up and really shit vis. The vis will be mint at the moment. From the spearo stories, there is a big difference between being bothered by a shark and being bitten by one. Have you been bothered, or seen any on your other swims? Motuora would have been as sharky as most places I would have thought? Back to the Colville Channel, there is probably bugger all 'bait n berly' fisho's out there. They'd all be doing deep drops or mechanical jigging I would have thought. On a Tiri to Kawau swim, I would have thought once you are clear of structure at each end there is lower chance of sharks, but I've seen on a calm sunny day there are fisho's everywhere. It can be like a D-Day landing. I should add the comment about sharks turning up to the sound of outboards was specific to the Flat Rock area. That is an epic fishing spot and notorious for sharks. You could keep your speargun handy on Fogg to get passed to you to poke the sharks away if you are getting bothered, but I guess if one is going to bit you, you wont see it first. My understanding is the ones that let you see them aren't the ones wanting you for dinner.
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Post by fish on Jan 2, 2024 21:13:36 GMT 12
Safe time would be 10.00am to 4.00pm when they bask. Early morning/evening they tend to feed. We were trolling for kings when we got ours,open blue water. Seaweed is more likely to make you gasp Seriously though when was the last shark attack in the gulf?? Never heard of anyone getting a bite while swimming. Happens down south on the paua grounds but think there is plenty of school fish in the gulf. Good luck,not my cuppa tea but nor is swimming in saltwater unless involuntary. Hate sand/saltwater Last time was the guy training for an ocean swim . Off the point at Muriwai , he had just set off from Māori Bay and was heading north . Seems like it was a two shark attack , Bronzie and great white but there was confusion about which shark started . Very very sad event that affected the whole community out there . I surfed for 35 years in some very sharky spots without a sighting but now I’ve stopped sharks give me the shits …manukau heads , hokianga heads , Cape Reinga , Spirits Bay , maunganui bluff , Celtic rockwall forest secret reef spot , 90 mile beach bluff . Also many hundreds of hours solo on Auckland’s westcoast non access beaches , wigmores , whites , Anawhata , oneills and mussels which is about 1K from where the swimmer got attacked . All great white hotspots but I never saw one , bet they saw me though ! . i take my hat off to you foggster flailing about out there in the yonder , go well mate and god speedos ! My understanding on that Muriwai tragedy is the rock fisho's on the point there were burleying up big time. Certainly there was fishing action, i.e. rock fisho's landing fish that would get sharks excited, and the swimmer was in the same area.
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Post by fish on Jan 2, 2024 21:19:20 GMT 12
Fogg, just read through the previous posts. Without any specific concerns about sharks, I wouldn't be excessively worried, other than to avoid workups and fishing boats etc. to add a dimension to your planning, the fishing should be average on Thursday and shit on Friday through till Monday. That is based on the Maori fishing calandar www.fishing.net.nz/fishing-advice/maori-fishing-calendar/The bite times calculator also shows average fishing over the next few days. Noting that the bite times calculator indicates when feeding is most active, so if you really wanted, you could plan to avoid that. The basics are dawn and dusk, and the two hours before either low or high tide. Low or high tide coinciding with dawn or dusk is better fishing. As HT said, middle of the day is slower = less shark activity. www.fishing.net.nz/fishing-advice/bite-times/And from my personal experience, fishing on the full moon is shit, and we've just had the full moon. That lines up with what the fishing predictions are saying. The point of this information is that there is likely to be less fisho's out compared to a day when fishing is expected to be amaze-balls. That is generally around the new moon. So if you don't have any deep seated concerns about sharks, I'd say Thursday onwards has a lower likelihood of excessive fishing boats getting in your way, which would correspond to a lower likelihood of getting bothered by a shark.
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