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Post by em on Apr 5, 2024 7:36:23 GMT 12
That app is shit, you should bin it . Windy and predict wind have good free versions that you can cross reference with metservices written , detailed marine forecasts on their website . Windys live readings are showing very light winds everywhere except for tiri and down wind of there to motutapu . I suppose thats the breeze that will affect colville this afternoon as it shifts eastwards . Attachments:
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Apr 5, 2024 8:26:19 GMT 12
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Post by Fogg on Apr 5, 2024 8:26:19 GMT 12
I use PW as my primary source but I still use the CG app for easy quick access to current conditions and tides. The fact that it includes the Cretservice forecast bundled into it be app is incidental but it does highlight the problem with relying on our own national, taxpayer funded weather department.
And of course CG promote their App as the one-stop-shop for all boaty needs including trip reporting etc. which I think especially targets the most vulnerable (smaller) boating community like the boat ramp brigade.
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Post by fish on Apr 5, 2024 8:37:05 GMT 12
I use PW as my primary source but I still use the CG app for easy quick access to current conditions and tides. The fact that it includes the Cretservice forecast bundled into it be app is incidental but it does highlight the problem with relying on our own national, taxpayer funded weather department. And of course CG promote their App as the one-stop-shop for all boaty needs including trip reporting etc. which I think especially targets the most vulnerable (smaller) boating community like the boat ramp brigade. Get what you pay for, if it's free, well... No point in looking at cheap / budget / free shit and complaining it is not of a suitable quality. I use PW on subscription and Metservice marine for a general view / cross check. If I want to understand wind strength, it is always PW. People look at the MSN weather that appears by magic on their phone of computer home screen (one of those embedded ap things that is very hard to work out how to turn off), then complain how bad the forecasts are. Does my head in. They are junk. I've never used that CG ap, and as far as I can tell it is no different to the MSN embedded weather aps. And what about this weather? couple of hot days, hot overnight last few nights, ran the aircon in the master bedroom last night, in April!?! Slept much better. But apparently March was the coldest on record? |
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Post by em on Apr 5, 2024 8:42:48 GMT 12
Metservice should include special notices for the tiri channel area like they do for colville . 9 times out of 10 when we bring the boat down to Auckland for the CC or R66 we get pasted from bostaquet/burgess bay end of kawau to about Browns Bay by the SW breeze it’s always 5-10 knots more than everywhere else . The upside is when we go the other way two days later it’s usually the most fun part of the race .
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Post by em on Apr 5, 2024 9:11:36 GMT 12
I use PW as my primary source but I still use the CG app for easy quick access to current conditions and tides. The fact that it includes the Cretservice forecast bundled into it be app is incidental but it does highlight the problem with relying on our own national, taxpayer funded weather department. And of course CG promote their App as the one-stop-shop for all boaty needs including trip reporting etc. which I think especially targets the most vulnerable (smaller) boating community like the boat ramp brigade. Get what you pay for, if it's free, well... No point in looking at cheap / budget / free shit and complaining it is not of a suitable quality. I use PW on subscription and Metservice marine for a general view / cross check. If I want to understand wind strength, it is always PW. People look at the MSN weather that appears by magic on their phone of computer home screen (one of those embedded ap things that is very hard to work out how to turn off), then complain how bad the forecasts are. Does my head in. They are junk. I've never used that CG ap, and as far as I can tell it is no different to the MSN embedded weather aps. And what about this weather? couple of hot days, hot overnight last few nights, ran the aircon in the master bedroom last night, in April!?! Slept much better. But apparently March was the coldest on record? I paid for PW routing for the last coastal coastal classic on advice from a very analytical SR26 skipper . The advice was to use Y88 polars but add I think %5 for downwind work . We loosely followed the fastest route and it was bang on for the first 3/4 of the race but we arrived half an hour later than the eta . Pretty impressive tech and I will use it again . Meanwhile I’m happy to use the free version of PW and Windy for everyday day use . They both use the same data from the same weather think tanks up north but just add their own twist of lime to it and some funky colours . |
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Apr 5, 2024 10:11:49 GMT 12
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Post by sabre on Apr 5, 2024 10:11:49 GMT 12
NZ Cretservice strikes yet again. The difference between the so-called forecast and the reality is dangerous. It’s misinformation to predict 10-15 when it turns out 21-32. View AttachmentView AttachmentYep agree. When I sailed my new to me Raven home from Whangarei back in 2017, the forecast was for 15 knots SW. I decided that was a good forecast for a leg to GB but by the time I got to the Hen and chicks I had 33-40+ knots. This was only my second time on a keeler so talk about trial by fire! |
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Apr 5, 2024 10:25:32 GMT 12
Post by Cantab on Apr 5, 2024 10:25:32 GMT 12
Windy, with a glance at PW for me. I've got 4 forecasts selected on PW for comparison but usually the ECMWF Windy is pretty good.
The ability to customise the data on the windy map is brilliant, overlaying isobars and wind live readings is awesome and easy.
The slider to se upper level activity helps get the big picture too. Its a lot for free.
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Apr 5, 2024 10:51:33 GMT 12
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Post by Fogg on Apr 5, 2024 10:51:33 GMT 12
Just to clarify, I’m not complaining about the quality of something free.
I am complaining about the quality of something I pay for - NZ MetService (via my taxes).
The delivery channel (be it App or other is irrelevant).
If your paying NZ tax you are paying for it too and in my view it’s not fit for purpose.
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Apr 6, 2024 12:45:43 GMT 12
Post by GO30 on Apr 6, 2024 12:45:43 GMT 12
Just to clarify, I’m not complaining about the quality of something free. I am complaining about the quality of something I pay for - NZ MetService (via my taxes). The delivery channel (be it App or other is irrelevant). If your paying NZ tax you are paying for it too and in my view it’s not fit for purpose. Maybe it's a case of GIGO as don't Metservice get the base data off NIWA? We were told by NIWA only last week all good forecasters just needs a few good inputs and a good computor model. As we have seen NIWA is very selective in what they choose to use, have issues with their modelling and have a strong belief they are our Nana and need to be lead by them for our owngood, so is Metservice just another victim of NIWAs agenda? |
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Apr 6, 2024 13:34:17 GMT 12
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Post by Fogg on Apr 6, 2024 13:34:17 GMT 12
I’ve long been confused about the respective roles & responsibilities of NIWA vs MetService and I’m obviously not the only one judging by the periodic calls for them to be merged.
If I was in charge, I would close them both down and source all forecasts from an overseas service.
And leave NZ to simply use the finished product.
A bit like we did with oil.
No doubt a couple of independent operators would pop up to give it a try - a bit like Phillip Duncan with Weatherwatch.
Much better.
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Apr 6, 2024 16:57:48 GMT 12
Post by Cantab on Apr 6, 2024 16:57:48 GMT 12
There are plenty of privately run, supposedly profitable, forecasting services available world wide.
Some of them offer heaps of free stuff that's actually pretty good and more than enough for most people.
We pay NIWA and Met Service millions of dollars and get back little obvious benefit.
Surely we could get far better forecasting for a lot less money from some of the big players.
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Apr 6, 2024 17:01:29 GMT 12
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Post by Fogg on Apr 6, 2024 17:01:29 GMT 12
There are plenty of privately run, supposedly profitable, forecasting services available world wide. Some of them offer heaps of free stuff that's actually pretty good and more than enough for most people. We pay NIWA and Met Service millions of dollars and get back little obvious benefit. Surely we could get far better forecasting for a lot less money from some of the big players. Exactly my point (but said better)! |
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Apr 6, 2024 17:44:26 GMT 12
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Post by ComfortZone on Apr 6, 2024 17:44:26 GMT 12
Metservice use the ECMWF and UKMO models as their principal sources.BOM in Australua the same
Agree that it is insane having both Metservice and NIWA, especially with NIWA regularly straying outside their brief.
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Apr 6, 2024 19:32:41 GMT 12
Post by em on Apr 6, 2024 19:32:41 GMT 12
Metservice use the ECMWF and UKMO models as their principal sources.BOM in Australua the same Agree that it is insane having both Metservice and NIWA, especially with NIWA regularly straying outside their brief. Funny that if you boil it down . Metservice writes some wind speed numbers and a description for a particular area , windy and PW do colours and arrows . The colours and arrows are often wrong too but much harder to remember . |
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Apr 7, 2024 11:35:28 GMT 12
Post by fish on Apr 7, 2024 11:35:28 GMT 12
I think there is a clear need for a state weather forecaster to protect stupid people from themselves.
Everyone here is fairly intelligent and competent at interpreting weather information, including weather model forecasts and what not.
Even the Civil Defense and NEMA staff need to be spoon feed weather warnings. Noting the palavas around the Auckland Anniversary Day floods (not forecast clearly) and cyclone Gabriel, (forecast clearly but still a clusterfuck).
While personally I think Metservice warnings of Red, Orange, Yellow etc are a nonsense, the vast majority of New Zealanders get their weather from an MSN app on their phone. At a National level there is a need for a govt agency to issue weather warnings and provide other critical weather related services. This is of course different from day to day forecasting and forecasts of a commercial nature such as that relied upon for farming, cropping and orcharding etc. Or ocean weather routing for that matter (niche commercial offering).
That said, it is fair to ask if we are getting good value for money from Metservice and Niwa. I understand their state funded mandates are entirely different, but both are tasked with offering commercial products to assist with revenue, and there is MASSIVE overlap there, as well as with other commercial operators such as Philip Duncan / weather watch.
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