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Post by Fogg on Dec 29, 2023 19:08:56 GMT 12
The discussion under ‘summer cruising’ got me thinking that it would be interesting to hear what people would go for if they had to swap their sailing boat for motor.
And to stop people going nuts and picking multi-million dollar machines worthy of a James Bond villain, maybe a key filter is that it must be $$$ realistic to run.
Be interested in thoughts and rationale.
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Post by muzled on Dec 29, 2023 19:19:17 GMT 12
Dastardly thoughts! One can only assume you've had too much to drink, go to bed, sober up and come back tomorrow... 😁
At this stage, I'd rather not own a boat than own a launch. It has zero appeal.
When the non yacht owning day comes I'll be doing trips to Japan to hunt bottomless powder in Japan with the money saved on marina fees. ⛷
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Post by Fogg on Dec 29, 2023 19:19:20 GMT 12
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Post by dutyfree on Dec 29, 2023 20:10:33 GMT 12
Ok. Swapped from a Farr 1220 quite a few years ago to…………the diesel side.
Have since had 3 launches. All mono hulls. Two single engines one twin.
I am quite attracted to displacement cats. But they are expensive. Would quite like one that fits in a 12m berth. Outpost or similar would be my pick.
You want good clearance or you will get slammed in any sea.
Advantages even though I have not owned one. Beam, fuel efficiency.
Heavy twin mono. Comfort, good space but fuel hungry. Took about 500l to get to BOI. Maybe 600.
Can cruise at 18/19 knots about 70l per hour or drop back to say 9 and save fuel. Only draw just over 1m.
Cat would be cheaper but not a lot I think at current petrol prices. Still have to service. 2 engines and need to watch weight.
We weight 12 tonnes I believe before we start loading up 😂😂.
Why did we swap? 10 plus years racing (other peoples yachts) time poor, wanted easy all weather boating g( no idea what wet weather gear is these days).
Still love sailing, just have other things to do and I can go to Waiheke have lunch and go home in a nice winter day. All in shorts and tee shirt.
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Post by fish on Dec 29, 2023 20:44:09 GMT 12
Randomly, I have never, ever been in a fizz boat, so my knowledge of motorboats is surprisingly limited. Think I've only been on a launch once, and that was a charter boat for a stag do. Every time I look at or read a review about a launch, I'm most interested in fuel consumption. It gives me the shits what some of these boats use. So, general areas of interest would be the trawler style displacement launches, not unlike what Fogg has posted. Possibly a little lower in size and spec. Some of the more classic styles like Carey Boats could be attractive - the type of solid thing that run Gardner diesels - if you are going to get purist about it. Or a John Deere and roll out the tractor jokes. Cats sound interesting, but I'm not attracted to petrol outboards, and the ones big enough to go diesel inboards are moonbeams too much for me. I was extremely interested in ultra-low fuel consumption boats like Pacific Zulu - a main hull like a rowing skiff with tri-style outriggers for stability. Like earth race but without the drug addictions and mental health issues. Not a lot of room and very weight sensitive, but well suited to specific things. But in reality, I'd probably just go and get a Vindex. Would look at a 32, but maybe a 34. Kiwi classic. Simple. Good design. Functional but not over-spec'ed. Noting I've no idea how launches actually handle at sea. Pacific Zulu www.boatdesign.net/threads/power-multi-hull-shape.65679/1969 Carey Trawler www.gulfgroup.co.nz/search/displayboat/5615/1968%20Carey |
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Post by Fogg on Dec 29, 2023 20:58:56 GMT 12
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Post by sabre on Dec 29, 2023 21:59:42 GMT 12
If I couldn't have sails I would make do with a small trailer boat.
Launches do nothing for me. When I walk past them at the marina I feel absolutely nothing yet when I see a well fitted out and seaworthy yacht I can't help but feel a pang of excitement and imagine the adventures she has had and will have.
Maybe one day when my soul has withered and died I will feel differently but even then I doubt it.
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Post by muzled on Dec 30, 2023 5:49:03 GMT 12
If I couldn't have sails I would make do with a small trailer boat. Launches do nothing for me. When I walk past them at the marina I feel absolutely nothing yet when I see a well fitted out and seaworthy yacht I can't help but feel a pang of excitement and imagine the adventures she has had and will have. Maybe one day when my soul has withered and died I will feel differently but even then I doubt it. There are some gorgeous launches out there though Sabre. edit - they're by far and away in the minority though! waitematawoodys.com/2015/09/28/meola/Dad had Skagen (pron - Skain) for years, not sure he'd be happy reading it was seldom used given he was out in it a lot. (about as unfamily friendly as you could get) waitematawoodys.com/2017/11/06/skacen/As far as new boats go, the Dickey 45 is a real head turner imo. www.dickeyboats.com/boat-models/semifly-45 |
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Post by sabre on Dec 30, 2023 6:08:39 GMT 12
If I couldn't have sails I would make do with a small trailer boat. Launches do nothing for me. When I walk past them at the marina I feel absolutely nothing yet when I see a well fitted out and seaworthy yacht I can't help but feel a pang of excitement and imagine the adventures she has had and will have. Maybe one day when my soul has withered and died I will feel differently but even then I doubt it. There are some gorgeous launches out there though Sabre. edit - they're by far and away in the minority though! waitematawoodys.com/2015/09/28/meola/Dad had Skagen (pron - Skain) for years, not sure he'd be happy reading it was seldom used given he was out in it a lot. (about as unfamily friendly as you could get) waitematawoodys.com/2017/11/06/skacen/As far as new boats go, the Dickey 45 is a real head turner imo. www.dickeyboats.com/boat-models/semifly-45Some of those old girls are quite pretty I have to admit. That Meola has nice lines. A steadying sail to improve the motion is a bonus. I was on the hard a month or two back next to an old ship. Can't remember the name off the top of my head. 40ft and built 1938? In port chalmers. The owner in his 70's used it to mooch around Tauranga harbour. Certainly beats sitting at home waiting for the lawns to get long enough to mow again. |
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Post by fish on Dec 30, 2023 8:11:21 GMT 12
Yes, that is the sort of displacement launch that would catch my eye. I always thought Grand Banks - the modern ones, were extremely beamy, powerful planning launches that cost as much as the GDP of a Pacific Island, and were the modern version of a prohibition era rum runner. Nice boats, but not my cup of tea. Noting I've basically never been in a planning launch, I am torn. dutyfree's description of a large cockpit, single level with the saloon, unimpeded with things to either step over or kick, under cover while lying in a bean bag and firing up a steak on the webber has me green with envy. The elements that are starting to get a bit boring with my boat are the small cockpit and 'up and down' to the galley and saloon. Oh, and overall size / storage. Boy wants to take a kayak this year (instead of the inflatable paddle boards) - I can't work out where to put it. The storage quarter berth isn't quiet long enough for my 5 fishing rods, and I can't decide which to leave behind... I've always thought launches are like floating batches. No purist sailing factor, but parked in a bay they have huge utility. Large cockpit, single level living. Mum, Dad and the kids, space, swimming, chatting with neighbours etc. |
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Post by ComfortZone on Dec 30, 2023 10:12:01 GMT 12
I've always thought launches are like floating batches. No purist sailing factor, but parked in a bay they have huge utility. Large cockpit, single level living. Mum, Dad and the kids, space, swimming, chatting with neighbours etc. This is exactly right, best comment on the difference between sail and power I have heard is sail has the pleasure of "getting there" whilst power has the pleasure of "being there". It is interesting that you will find most professional yachtsmen(people?) have launches, Mike Sanderson has a blue Fleming 55 "Windward" usually carrying several sailing dinghies for his and Emma's kids (one of these is on my dream boat list along with a 18m marina)  I would by wary of the older Grand Banks, all the usual issues of Asian built boats of that era and their hull shape is a very dated "warped plane" same as an old Shipbuilders, infamous for broaching downwind. Some of my likes Roger Hill 14m cat (marginal for berth fit)  Ron Given 12m disp cat Phantom, originally built for John Beck, Grant Beck's father. Accommodation a bit limited but good performance for low power  and for something a bit more traditional, a John Lidgard 13m Graceland  Roger Hill has several interesting sub 12m displacement cats and Dan Leech is also building a strong reputation (http://leechboats.com/), I do feel Leech's larger cats are a bit narrow for their length. Corsairs are fantastic seaboats, they just seem to "hunker down" and slice thru the waves, unlike many other planing hulls which look like seagoing bulldozers. As has been discussed previously the older ones are getting rather tired, DF's former "Excellence" is beautifully finished but really needs re-engining. A pertinent point Jim Young made decades ago was that just about all good launch designs are by yacht designers, eg Jim himself, John Lidgard, John Spencer, Bob Salthouse, Frank Pelin, Ron Given, Roger Hill etc. Even Bill Upfold started off designing and building yachts but quickly followed the money into launches. USA's Ray Hunt, known as the "father" of the deep vee hull shape was firstly a yacht designer and a very accomplished yachtsman. |
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Post by jim on Dec 30, 2023 10:27:55 GMT 12
some years back i was at the Havelock marina carpark de-rigging the trailer yacht when around the corner at the far end with a squeal of tires comes this old hilux with (literally) about 12 maybe 15 pigdogs clinging onto it. out of it emerge a couple of guys with jerry cans of fuel and possibly some provisions and quickly disappeared to their boat... about 2 minutes later a big diesel started on 2 or 3 cylinders and there was a whistle for the dogs (who were pissing on everyones tires and getting in to all the rubbish bins) . I wandered down the nearest arm and saw them heading out - running on 6 now it looked like a 1940's 40 footer , real pretty even covered in pigdogs . I can see the attraction but that would be in later years.
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Post by ComfortZone on Jan 29, 2024 12:06:13 GMT 12
here is another yachtie who has gone to the darkside, Big Bill Falconer (ex S34 Princess)on his classic 60's Lidgard, caught leading the Classic launch parade on Saturday at Mahurangi  as his wife noted when we were visiting, they travel at 8 kts regardless of where the wind is coming from |
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Post by fish on Jan 29, 2024 16:58:46 GMT 12
here is another yachtie who has gone to the darkside, Big Bill Falconer (ex S34 Princess)on his classic 60's Lidgard, caught leading the Classic launch parade on Saturday at Mahurangi View Attachmentas his wife noted when we were visiting, they travel at 8 kts regardless of where the wind is coming from Must be a yachtie, has good taste in anchors. Can't beat the Sarca Excel. |
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Post by em on Jan 29, 2024 17:35:03 GMT 12
We saw the old pilot boat Akarana coming into Whangarei last week as we were leaving . That would get me motoring but I do have an aversion to exterior bright work and hate hand sanding and I don’t like peeling sun faded varnish . But then again this boat wooed me as a kid when it was still in service with Ports of Auckland . Drop dead gorgeous IMHO. IMG_0544.webp (156.94 KB) |
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