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Post by GO30 on Mar 10, 2024 9:38:44 GMT 12
Iwi will not pay tax, Mr Fish and Mr GO30 will pay tax. They wrote that law which differentiates and does so quite specifically. A 10yo is not allowed into see a R16 movie. Another that differentiates, there are 1000's of them. If you are in a public space wearing - a Girl Guide patch then no problem. a Team Inos patch then no problem a Taka Grammer School patch then no problem a Mongrol Mob patch then you do have a problem.
Care will needed, as you and anyone with 1/2 clue suggests, around what is and isn't regarded as an undesirable patch. But considering we are talking about a small handful of patches being specific would not be hard.
Yes patches are intimidating to the majority, that's the intention of them. If the patches were replaced with suits then the ability to use the patches to intimidate, as they most certainly are, is removed. Kiddy fiddlers. How many have gone thru life as fine upstanding citizens until one day..... Would they have had the same life if they wore a patch saying 'I'm a kiddy fiddler'?
Patches do have power, that's why the biggest gang in the land have patches on everything including their buildings and cars.The intention of that patch is so people do take notice and as we have seen more and more it is also used to intimidate. Remove that patch and what do you have? Just a dude in a poorly designed blue suit who does not have the visual power the patch gave them.
We define people, actions and symbols many ways ever single day including in law and we do change the laws around them. If a court says No it does not comply with the law, then as that law was made by us we simply change it. This whole human rights thing is a red herring and being applied to patches by people who are perfectly fine ignoring it in other situations.
Do you think the patch law will make any real difference? I would like it to, but I'm feeling pessimistic about it. At best, I recon it may give the police an excuse (what do they call it, reasonable cause?) to turn the patch wearing gang member over, so as to find something they can be charged with. Obviously there are grey areas in the law all the time. Police can't discriminate cause someone looks dodgy as fuck, the have to have 'reasonable cause' to search someone. Criminals hate police attention. It is bad for business. Getting turned over all the time may change their behaviour. BUT, the police will need plenty of resources to do it. Might even need to stop attending family harm and mental health crisis to resource it. What do you think of that line? I was gobsmacked. Mitchell saying police will no longer attend 'non-criminal' call outs, specifically family harm and mental health crisis. Sure, it would be great if the mental health crisis teams were resourced to actually meet the demand, but the chances of that happening are laughable. It would appear he is saying the community want crime to be the priority, not family harm or mental health. It will be interesting to see what the community says when they see the results of what they've wished for. Or if the police stop attending family harm so they can enforce dress-codes. Interesting times. Can't wait to see how it pans out. Reasonable cause is not needed -
Can I see any of the specific patches the law now deems unacceptable in public spaces? Yes or No Am I in a public space? Yes or No.
If No and No or Yes and No or No and yes = walkway on to the next job or closest Dunkin Donuts.
If Yes and yes = dump on the fucker hard and fast like a ton of keels
Could it be any simpler?
Would no patch rule make a difference? Yes quite a bit according to a couple of mates (hims and hers) in Perth. The no patch law got a lot of the gang members out of the state to other states and NZ. Those that are left just do not have the power to intimidate in public, as we have seen happen in NZ. Sure they are still aholes and dodgy but that's now done on a more acceptable level to the public i.e. how we often turn a blind eye, or so it seems, to how white collar and pollies do it. The out of site out of mind theory I suppose. It's not like society don't turn blind eyes to dodgy here there and near everywhere on a near daily basis now.
The plods in WA smack down hard on any patch very fast and at full pace. It took only a couple of months for the gangs to realise the plods were just not having it so they stopped wearing them. Whether our plods would do the same remains to be seen, I suspect not as they are a bit pussy grade in comparison to Aussies but then you just never know. If the plods pussy around it could be a long slow near pointless effort but if that come down reigning all hell on any patch as soon as it was spotted the process wouldn't take long. We're parents where the same applies, let them play up and they will, stop wayward behaviour as it arises and the kids learn.
I think Mitchell was saying the plods may not go to 'the neighbours are having a shouting match again' as opposed to 'The neighbours got a knife and screaming at her hubby'. Mental health issues, assuming no harm was involved or imminent, aren't really the Polices field of expertise and some do suggest the plods popping up in a mental health incident can often be quite counter productive. Ever seen a plod negotiator wear a uniform? They don't as is it can be seen by some in strife as 'Fuck, the cops are here, now I'm in for it' which can lead to bad shit happening. So in amongst the very complex issue of family and mental health incidents (which are often one in the same) there is a case where maybe we have an expanded dedicated unit for those incidents, maybe under the Police banner for better co-ordination or outside of it. I dunno, it's one hell of a tricky one thats for sure.
In the big scheme the plods will spend more time policing fuckwits behind the wheel fucking with their phones, they will spend more time guarding a polly no one gives a fuck about, they will spend more time at Rainbow events and possibly more time stopping me few strangling some HP worker as my space-bar is playing silly buggers, then they would enforcing a no patch law, based on WA's experience and assuming plods aren't in pussy mode when they do. Ignore the human rights issue as I'd argue our Grandmas right to walk the street or our youth being groomed into Aholes without being intimidated by a bunch of dudes in a scary uniform easily trumps the rights of drug pushing rapists thieving thugs right to have specific emblems on their jackets. It is one or the other, we can't have both. We are not talking about amputating limbs or jail time or enforced sterilisation here, its logo the same as many teams/clubs/organisations/corporates have been forced to change due to societal pressure. Hell I have a logo that has had me called some pretty interesting and offensive things yet do I rape, murder, kill?
What has society to gain from allowing gang patches in public?
And 100% agree, it will be interesting to see how it pans out. The first thing will be to see exactly how the law is written, assuming it is. It will all depend on that.
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Post by fish on Mar 10, 2024 10:15:04 GMT 12
There is a HUGE contrast between WA cops and our cops over the last 6 years.
We've been giving criminals KFC, our Police Commissioners name is Cuddles Coster.
If Mitchell shifts our Police to the culture of the WA Police, then yes, the gang patch ban will work.
If we carry on with the consensus policing practices of the last 6 years the gang patch ban will be a waste of time and we are all fucked.
I think that is the nub of it. Labour bought in 'consensus' policing. Fairly sure Mitchell ditched that on day one when he had his meeting with Cuddles. Good to see how it pans out.
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Post by harrytom on Mar 10, 2024 11:19:14 GMT 12
There is a HUGE contrast between WA cops and our cops over the last 6 years. We've been giving criminals KFC, our Police Commissioners name is Cuddles Coster. If Mitchell shifts our Police to the culture of the WA Police, then yes, the gang patch ban will work. If we carry on with the consensus policing practices of the last 6 years the gang patch ban will be a waste of time and we are all fucked. I think that is the nub of it. Labour bought in 'consensus' policing. Fairly sure Mitchell ditched that on day one when he had his meeting with Cuddles. Good to see how it pans out. There will be no change as NZ is a wrap them up in cotton wool/human rights /be some sort waitagi claim,saying the jacket is a extension of the moko |
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Post by GO30 on Mar 10, 2024 12:43:59 GMT 12
Totally agree, it will all come down to how big an appetite do the public have if Mitchell and Coster decide to bring the hammer down. I suspect there will be wailing and nashing of teeth along with HT correctly called it Waitangi claim crap but the majority will be OK with it as long as it is done fairly and reasonably.
In an interview with Coster just pre Xmas he did say they, the senior plods, were likening the Ministers clear and concise direction. He seemed quite genuinie and almost to the point I thought he was about to unleash on the previous minister/s for being a little to soft cock. I found the interview was in quite contrast to the media and commentators suggested situation at the time. When you think about it he is in the firing line when there is soft cock action or trouble so being told 'do what you think best to get the job done' would be a welcome change from the previous interventions by Nana all the time.
While at times our plods do need to harden up, or more correctly be allowed too, I don't think I'd like them to go as far towards the Waffen SS style of policing as the Aussie cops appear to have. Watching the NZ and Aussie styles during covid ructions, I'd far rather have ours then theres. At least ours didn't smile as they battened the senior citizens
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Post by fish on Mar 12, 2024 8:53:10 GMT 12
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Post by harrytom on Mar 12, 2024 12:25:07 GMT 12
not worth getting out of bed,double it and you may get some recruits |
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Post by eri on Mar 12, 2024 16:43:37 GMT 12
my wife works at a small countdown where the thieves just walk through with whatever they want
recently a staff member sarcastically said to a thief "yeah, just take it why don't you"
the thief started screaming abuse and another staff member hit the "panic" button and told the thief please just take it and leave
next day both staff members had a strip tore off them at a staff meeting for 'escalating the situation'
the first one for speaking sarcastically to the thief, the 2nd for hitting the panic button when there was no assault
also at every staff meeting the staff are told to work harder because the countdown isn't meeting its sales targets..............no one is allowed to mention how thieving is affecting the bottom line
the pro. thieves steal to order, hanging legs of lamb inside big overcoats,......scotch fillet etc. far more than can eat
a couple of months ago they had a security guy on the exit but he touched someone so was sacked
wife's thinking of quitting because staff moral has gone down the toilet
many of the young workers(sic) seem to wait until late at night before calling in 'sick' for the next day
meaning older staff are woken by txts and calls at 6am asking if they can come in on their days off etc to cover
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Post by fish on Mar 12, 2024 16:50:03 GMT 12
my wife works at a small countdown where the thieves just walk through with whatever they want recently a staff member sarcastically said to a thief "yeah, just take it why don't you" the thief started screaming abuse and another staff member hit the "panic" button and told the thief please just take it and leave next day both staff members had a strip tore off them at a staff meeting for 'escalating the situation' the first one for speaking sarcastically to the thief, the 2nd for hitting the panic button when there was no assault also at every staff meeting the staff are told to work harder because the countdown isn't meeting its sales targets..............no one is allowed to mention how thieving is affecting the bottom line the pro. thieves load up of on the most expensive items like legs of lamb, scotch fillet etc a couple of months ago they had a security guy on the exit but he touched someone so was sackedWhat Countdown is that? I just spent $400 or something on a small shop at PaknSave, including a cheap leg of lamb and a small chicken. Quiet fancy a whole scotch fillet, and am keen to know where I can come and collect it from. PS, National are going to have a very tough sell giving landlords a massive tax cut while screwing the cops over. And that is before we get to the much promised income tax cuts. Can't be tough on law and order if you don't value the Police. And nothing says we don't value the Police by offering them loose change for a payrise when inflation has been at over 7%. |
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Post by eri on Mar 12, 2024 16:55:02 GMT 12
LLs are not getting a tax cut
they are slowly being put back on tax deduction equality with every other business
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Post by muzled on Mar 12, 2024 17:04:13 GMT 12
LLs are not getting a tax cut they are slowly being put back on tax deduction equality with every other business Renting houses out isn't a business. The sooner we stop treating it like one, the better. Of all the shit things the previous muppets did, removing interest deductibility wasn't one of them. |
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Post by muzled on Mar 12, 2024 17:10:55 GMT 12
Not really the right thread, but speaking of housing.
I was in Qtown for a few days last week, was sitting at a bar and heard this
- there is a backpackers in town that has a 10 bed dorm and are charging $300/week for each bed.
I nearly fell off my seat. Thieving mother%uckers!
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Post by eri on Mar 12, 2024 17:53:27 GMT 12
providing food for money is a tax paying business where loans are tax deductible
providing sex for money is a tax paying business where loans are tax deductible
even providing 'advice' can be a tax paying business where loans are tax deductible
so why on earth would providing accomodation for money not be a business?...it's certainly taxed just like a business
if there is shortage of food, you grow more
if food producers need a loan to provide more food, it's tax deductible
as we have an accommodation shortage, we need to provide more
if accommodation providers need a loan to provide more accommodation, it's tax deductible
removing tax deductibility on farms would cause food shortages
removing tax deductibility on accommodation leads to accommodation shortages
as we can all see after 6 years of labour
people who are net tax contributors can easily take their tax paying skills where they are better rewarded
capital isn't a whole lot different, it will flow to where it performs the best
muldoon tried to lock all the money down in the 70s when the nz gov. was spending like we were still one of the richest nations in the world, (per capita)
as we were in the 40,50,60s
you want to go back to that nightmare?
we have a shortage
rationing isn't the sane way out of it!
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Post by fish on Mar 12, 2024 17:59:32 GMT 12
LLs are not getting a tax cut they are slowly being put back on tax deduction equality with every other business Landlords are going to pay less tax after 1st April than before, due to a change in govt policy. Paying. Less. Tax. = Tax. Cut. If you can spin that into something else, you should get a job with Newshub. And, that results in less dollars in the govt's account. Dollars that could have been used to fund the Police properly. |
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Post by fish on Mar 12, 2024 18:05:49 GMT 12
providing food for money is a tax paying business where loans are tax deductible providing sex for money is a tax paying business where loans are tax deductible even providing 'advice' can be a tax paying business where loans are tax deductible so why on earth would providing accomodation for money not be a business?...it's certainly taxed just like a business if there is shortage of food, you grow moreif food producers need a loan to provide more food, it's tax deductibleas we have an accommodation shortage, we need to provide moreif accommodation providers need a loan to provide more accommodation, it's tax deductible removing tax deductibility on farms would cause food shortagesremoving tax deductibility on accommodation leads to accommodation shortagesas we can all see after 6 years of labour people who are net tax contributors can easily take their tax paying skills where they are better rewarded capital isn't a whole lot different, it will flow to where it performs the bestmuldoon tried to lock all the money down in the 70s when the nz gov. was spending like we were still one of the richest nations in the world, (per capita) as we were in the 40,50,60s you want to go back to that nightmare? we have a shortage
rationing isn't the sane way out of it! How many investments can you name where the loan to buy the investment is tax deductable? More so, how many investments can you name that you can leverage to buy with just 10% capital? And still expect the other 90% of the investment to be tax deductable? |
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Post by eri on Mar 12, 2024 18:05:59 GMT 12
there's a block of 8 three bedroom townhouses being squeezed into a 900?m2 section going up next door
looks like a team of 20 chinese workers working 7am-5pm 6 days a week
they're working fast and the build standard and quality looks fine to my unqualified eye
they'll probably be on the market for about $1,500,000 in 4? months
i'm not sure builds like that will help people with more 'issues' than cash filling emergency housing
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