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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2021 15:07:15 GMT 12
Coal imports are up a staggering 76 per cent on this time last year as Labour continues to import dirty coal from Indonesia.
According to the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment, there was 517,000 tonnes this September vs 294,000 tonnes last September.
These figures make a mockery of Jacinda Ardern’s “nuclear free moment,” a mockery of the so-called “climate emergency” and a mockery of James Shaw’s mission to Glasgow to save the world.
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Post by grounded on Dec 12, 2021 10:45:29 GMT 12
If I may add more to the Picture. This is purely for a larger view of the overall picture. It has nothing to do with supporting the Gvt. No.1: It's not actually the Gvt is importing Coal. It is the Owner of the Plant that is importing it. It is just that the Gvt has not stepped in to block import. Which brings me to
No.2: Coal can no longer be dug up from the Huntley Mine. It is now flooded and all the mineing equipment is gone. To restart the Mine will take years and mega moon beams. Huntley Power station is in the process of being decomissioned and so there is no justification in re-establishing the Huntley Mine. Two turbines were converted to Gas, 2 are coal fired and 1 is now mothballed because the Equipent needs to be re certified and plus there are no longer enough qualified people to opperate all 5 turnbines. This part is the Gvts fault. Due to the Gas/Oil liscences being discontinued, the exploration company said see ya later and left. So now Gas is running out to fire the 2 gas powered turbines. No.3: Coal from the South Island is High Quality Lignite and is being sent to Japan for making high purity filters. NZ exports about 1.4 Million tonnes of the 3.4 million dug up each year. Another sizable chunk goes to Steel making. This coal is worth a lot of money. Far more than the cheap Coal being brought in from Indonesia. NZ does have cheaper Furnace Coal in many areas of the Country, but none of these mines are set up to provide the huge quantity required for Huntley and because the HPS is only operating for another 2 yrs, there is no way anyone will spend the money to step up production for a short time. No.4: Leaving Co2 creation out of the picture for a mo, after Hydro and Geothermal, Coal Fired is the next cheapest source of energy generation. Please note I said cheapest. Not cleanest. But even saying that it is far cleaner than many imagine a coal fired plant can be. The Flu Gasses are recirculated several times through various burning cycles to scrub the particulates before being expelled out the stack. The heat recovery is increadibly efficient and there is actually very little heat going out the stack. You will notice very little of anything comes out the Stations stacks if you take a look when you pass through the Huntley station. No.5 I touched on it above, but Huntley is in the process of being shit down over the next few years. So this is a short term issue and the Co2 output was calculated into the Countries equations for Co2 mitigation. That is why you see on supporting documents the slight increase in emmissons before a steady ramping down of Co2 Emmisions in a couple of yrs from now. When viewed World Wide, and for the Countries that have other options. Nuclear is in theory, the safest and cheapest means of generating Power. But we all know the issues when something goes wrong. New technology is making Nuclear even safer and cheaper. One new plant in build stage at the mo in somewhere like Norway or up that direction, even burns or converts the spent fuel, so dumping it is not an issues. However, Nuclear is simply not an option for most Coutries because of Cost and/or Public backlash. Geothermal is second cheapest, providing the Country has Geothermal ability. Coal fired is third, or second if Geothermal is not available. Hydro is next if you factor in Build cost and the fact that a station has about a 50yr life span. Obviously NZ must build supperior damns because I am sure some of the early ones are way in advance of that age. However, in the US, there are 3500 damns in the process of being decommisioned right now due to being too old. What I don't understand is why we need Huntely right now at all. The lakes are all full. Geothermal is not at full capacity I thought. Why run Huntley. And if we can't deliver enough now and have to operate Huntley, Is it that the Power generating Companies think Green energy is going to provide enough energy for the future years after Huntley? We will never have more Hydro. Our energy consumption is only going to increase with EV's etc. I really cannot see how Green energy is going to be big enough. There is about to be started, a new Solar Farm by the CHCH Airport. 400Hectares of Solar panels. Enough to power 30,000 Homes. Rolleston, the satellite City of CHCH now contains 25,000 homes and is growing. So 400hectares of Farming land is required to power just Rolleston. That is just a pimple compared to all the developments around the greater NZ. Something far FAR bigger is needed. |
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Post by armchairadmiral on Dec 12, 2021 11:20:35 GMT 12
Interesting stuff in there G....So Wind/Solar is hardly going to make much difference especially considering potential impact of EV's. Plus of course the reduced demand on NZ and increased demand on the likes of China as NZ closed down industries in favour of "cheap" overseas imported Production. Maybe NZ should factor that in before criticising industrial countries who produce our lifestyle 'essentials' like cars home appliances ,outboards.....etc. etc. James Offshaw,Jacinderella ,Phil Goff et al one and all are hypocrites,liars and self agrandising opportunists...plus all global warming alarmists
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Post by ComfortZone on Dec 12, 2021 13:00:34 GMT 12
What I don't understand is why we need Huntely right now at all. The lakes are all full. Geothermal is not at full capacity I thought. Why run Huntley. And if we can't deliver enough now and have to operate Huntley, Is it that the Power generating Companies think Green energy is going to provide enough energy for the future years after Huntley? Lots of interesting tables here www.transpower.co.nz/sites/default/files/bulk-upload/documents/MO%20Latest%20Daily%20Update.pdfI suspect Huntly Coal has been kept running because Taupo was very low early in the winter and Transpower was not anticipating (neither was anyone else to be fair) the major inflows with all the rain in September/October |
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Post by Fogg on Dec 12, 2021 13:45:54 GMT 12
That’s really good insight there from grounded - so pleased we have him back! 😊
As Elon Musk said - even if you don’t believe in man-made climate change you should still be transitioning your life / business / country towards renewables because fossil fuels are going to run out at some point - and in the years leading up to that the price of the diminishing supply will skyrocket to eye-watering levels. So best learn to kick the habit sooner rather than later. In other words a simple economic decision rather than a climate / science one (for those that don’t believe).
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Post by saundy8038 on Dec 12, 2021 14:03:35 GMT 12
New Zealand Steel at Glenbrook imports lots of Indo coal, lower quality than Huntly coal but cheaper, as I recall when I was employed by NZ steel the decision was made to trial Indo coal because a deal couldn’t be made at the right price in NZ
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Post by grounded on Dec 13, 2021 6:32:05 GMT 12
I get annoyed by the climate activists due to the fact that seemingly in their view, if you are not on their side, you are destroying the planet. That to me is insulting. They have no thought that many of us very much have our Planets well being in mind. And yet, They yell at us while holding their $1000 dollar Smart phones in their hands and wearing their Nike shoes and Synthetic clothing. That has to be the greatest Hypocrisy of all time. The way I see it, we have to find a different solution completely. Our World is based on Consuming. It is easy to say we have to stop or reduce, but it is not so easy. The very food/shelter of People is put at risk if the World does not consume. I just don't see any other practicle solution. The silly systems we have right now aren't working and will never work. I am talking of things like Carbon Credits and the likes. The silly notions from the extremists will never work either. That is the idea of banning Plastics, Oil and etc. Because even for the bad those things maybe, they offer the most economical solutions to everything and economical is directly proportional to energy demand. So it becomes catch 22. We could replace a plastic bottle with a glass bottle, but it consumes 10 x more energy to produce. I can't answer the "what is the Solution" question.
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Post by grounded on Dec 13, 2021 6:39:45 GMT 12
Interesting stuff in there G....So Wind/Solar is hardly going to make much difference especially considering potential impact of EV's.
I don't think I am alone in my thoughts here. I expect most here will have similar views. I do not see vast areas of land taken up by Solar panels as achieving a damn thing. We have simply shifted the polution to something else and the land and ecology is harmed by covering it in a sea of black panels.
I am annoyed at the break neck speed toward Electric Vehicles, when we have just as many issues with batteries in both resources and waste. Why is the Country not putting more effort into Hydrogen as they are Electric.
Electric needs a huge amount of money spent on infrstructure. Our Power grid is not able to cope with the power demand at the bottem end of the network. That is, Solar etc being pushed back into a system to cope with demand, when the system was designed from the generation/distribution end forward. This is going to be expensive and the Greens just don't seem to see it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2021 8:28:26 GMT 12
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2021 8:31:31 GMT 12
The solution is simple...
Air cleaning technolgy and trees.
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Post by grounded on Dec 13, 2021 16:21:39 GMT 12
Not just Tree's schooner, but replanting of the rain forest. I reckon there is more harm to Climate because the Rain Forests are not as big as they used to be, than anything else. And I reckon there is an easy way to sort it. Pay the Farmers more to replant the Forest and look after it than they get cutting it down to feed some Cattle. The land is not good after a year and so they need to cut down another lot of Forest and it continues. It would not cost a lot of money if Countries put money into the pot and turned the entire thing around. The Amazon alone affects so much of the Worlds climate.
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Post by armchairadmiral on Dec 13, 2021 18:16:55 GMT 12
Great idea G. However the way it really works is we pay and the corrupt government/pollies/bureaucrats etc. intercept the $$$ and the farmers get zero. Like most o'seas charities
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Post by GO30 on Dec 13, 2021 19:25:59 GMT 12
Genesis has tried to close Huntley at least twice but been told Nope we need the quick to ramp up reserve if there are any network failures. I think someone said, during the cock up a month or 2 back, Huntley can ramp up the spare genny in about 4hrs. Shame that last one no one picked up on the issue until it was to late for Huntley to pull finger.
You lot, via the Govt, are paying me $1500 per acre to plant trees. You'd pay me $4000 if they were natives but why plant a single use tree, why not a multi-tasker like we are. In a few years we can eat our trees output and sell it for around $100 per kg, not that that is the end game. By this time next year my investment into the trees, just on our place, should return us around $70K, if we planted natives that would be more like 190K. Then in kick the carbon credits.
Around our way pines are going in faster then Iwi checkpoints. The green muppets are polishing themselves in glee about it as they see it as fucking over dirty dairy farmers but as noted above what will they find under those trees in 20 years? Soil that is near buggered and not just a few meters besides water ways but 1000's of hectares. Also whomever cuts them down will have some nice liabilities to content with. That is one reason we're not doing the easy and very profitable way of pines.
The whole 'value' and longer term affects of pines seems totally lost on the environmentals.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2021 21:52:43 GMT 12
Not just Tree's schooner, but replanting of the rain forest. I reckon there is more harm to Climate because the Rain Forests are not as big as they used to be, than anything else. And I reckon there is an easy way to sort it. Pay the Farmers more to replant the Forest and look after it than they get cutting it down to feed some Cattle. The land is not good after a year and so they need to cut down another lot of Forest and it continues. It would not cost a lot of money if Countries put money into the pot and turned the entire thing around. The Amazon alone affects so much of the Worlds climate. that's a simply brilliant solution... And actually quite cheap. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2021 21:54:36 GMT 12
Great idea G. However the way it really works is we pay and the corrupt government/pollies/bureaucrats etc. intercept the $$$ and the farmers get zero. Like most o'seas charities sadly that's correct but easy to change. |
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