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Post by ComfortZone on Feb 1, 2024 8:56:38 GMT 12
This has been a contentious subject since it was introduced, first in USA in the 40's and (amongst others) NZ in the 60's - main cities since around 1966. There is a new report (heavily peer reviewed) from the US government National Toxicology Programme that confirms a reduction in IQ in children under their study ntp.niehs.nih.gov/sites/default/files/ntp/about_ntp/bsc/2023/may/publiccomm/neurath20230429_bsc_508.pdfThe NTP’s key points:
• 52 of 55 human studies found reduction in IQ from fluoride
• 18 of 19 human studies rated low Risk of Bias by NTP found reduction in IQ from fluoride
“The pattern of results across the 55 studies was consistent; 52 (95%) reported an inverse association”
“Subgroup analyses by sex, age group, study location, outcome assessment type, and exposure assessment type further support the consistent and robust pattern of an inverse association between fluoride exposure and children’s IQ”
Havard Public health published this www.hsph.harvard.edu/magazine/magazine_article/fluoridated-drinking-water/interesting graphs therein of the countries that do and do not fluoridate water at time of publication, most European countries do not, Canada does even though incorrectly noted. We were listening to RCR this morning about this subject, which noted amongst other items, how the original justification for fluoridation in NZ, using a 60's comparison between Hastings (flouridated) and Napier (non fluoridated) was leveraged to produce the desired result. Link here to the RCR report and an exchange with the NZ Dental Association. fluoridefree.org.nz/new-zealand-dental-associations-response-to-new-documentary-proves-no-case-for-fluoridation/a little takeaway from the RCR report is that the Hastings hospital (and maybe others) does not use fluoridated water as it is known to have adverse effects on patients - go figure. An observation is that Fluoride in water is forced medication on the population, as is Folic Acid now being placed in bread, and COVID jabs were effectively forced if you wanted to "remain in mainstream society". Always have to ask the question who is profiting from this all... In the past I have not had strong views on fluoride but do question it more now, even though bit late as have been subject to it most of my life. At least we are on tank water now, better late than never. |
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Post by Fogg on Feb 1, 2024 8:59:49 GMT 12
They introduced flouride into tap water across the UK many years ago and it had a positive impact on dental health at a population level.
But I don’t recall any discussions about negative side-effects.
And maybe if you brush your teeth 2-3 times a day with a mainstream toothpaste you get enough fluoride in the targeted site of your teeth anyway?
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Post by ComfortZone on Feb 9, 2024 7:54:04 GMT 12
from RCR realitycheck.radio/alistairs-fluoride-story/excerpts And besides, Fluoride, he repeated, was the most safe, effective, and cost-effective way of dealing with New Zealand’s tooth decay problem. And furthermore, it was claimed at the time, that there was over 60 years of evidence to show there is a 40% reduction in tooth decay in places where fluoride is dosed into our water.
And in truth, when I started making ‘Fluoride on the Brain’, I thought that was probably the uneasy middle ground that the matter would end up settling on.
That yes, there is evidence of lowering IQ. But like the government says, at less than 1 mg/l the dose of fluoride in our water is far too low to cause damage. And besides, everyone just knows it stops tooth decay.
But then I went to the Ministry of Health’s website and looked up the oral health statistics for Kiwi 5-year-olds. Since the statistics were divided into ‘fluoridated’ and ‘un-fluoridated’ categories, I thought maybe we could visualise the difference in graphs so we could show everyone how effective it really is before we tackled the issue of toxicity.
Maybe we could calm everyone’s nerves on the topic.
The only problem was that it didn’t show that at all. Instead, it showed that currently, around New Zealand, there is less tooth decay in 5-year-olds who live in un-fluoridated areas of the country.What I found out in making ‘Fluoride on the Brain’, was quite incredible.Did you know that the fluoride used in New Zealand to dose our water is actually hydrofluorosilicic acid which is a toxic by-product of the fertiliser industry?And did you know that it is so toxic that when they feed fluoride into our water supplies, the people doing the job have to wear full Hazmat suits?And at every station where they might come in contact with the substance, there is an emergency shower so it can be washed off immediately.I couldn’t help but ask myself, why would anyone want to put anything nearing that sort of toxicity into our water?
And why aren’t we looking at our Maori history; which was established by Weston Price in the 1930s when he studied pre-European skulls and found almost zero evidence of tooth decay? Surely we might learn something by studying the traditional Maori diet or lifestyle.
And when we look at that, perhaps we’ll find it has something to do with sugar. Since Maori didn’t have sugar in those days? After all, isn’t the fact that sugar causes cavities the one thing that the WHO and the New Zealand Ministry of Health, and even opponents of fluoride agree on?Safe and effective, haven't we heard that before... |
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Post by GO30 on Feb 10, 2024 11:27:31 GMT 12
Lovin my tank water. No stink, no chemicals and best of all no Nana.
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Post by fish on Feb 10, 2024 14:11:05 GMT 12
Lovin my tank water. No stink, no chemicals and best of all no Nana. Crickey, I used one of those showers at the beach the other day to wash the sand / saltwater off. Stunk of Chlorine. I was surprised I would smell it out in the open. Normally expect to smell it in an enclosed indoor shower cubicle. The other day I was at the Osteo so filled my water bottle from their water cooler. Fully gagged - taste was disgusting. I think I'm spoilt with my triple filtered UV sterilised rain water. |
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Post by GO30 on Feb 11, 2024 10:27:14 GMT 12
Triple, nice. I'm assuming one is the UV bug zapper?
We go thru a 20 micron then a 1 micron. The main concern in our area is Gardia and the 1 micron fixes that. We have a kitchenette going in and the water tap will have a UV blaster just before it. That will fix the E-coli should a wayward bird leave us any.
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Post by fish on Feb 11, 2024 13:39:02 GMT 12
Triple, nice. I'm assuming one is the UV bug zapper? We go thru a 20 micron then a 1 micron. The main concern in our area is Gardia and the 1 micron fixes that. We have a kitchenette going in and the water tap will have a UV blaster just before it. That will fix the E-coli should a wayward bird leave us any. 20micron, 10, 1 then UV. The 10 was carbon for taste and odour, but they are expensive so I've left it out. In saying that, I have a new set of filters to swap out and the guy at the shop recommended 20, 1, carbon. Makes the carbon last longer apparently, which is logical. I'm just using polyspun on the 20 and 1 so they are cheap as chips. I do like the UV for confidence that everything is fully zapped. Would love to put one on the boat but it's all been a bit too much faffing. Currently have 2 filters on there. Can't remember the sizing. Probably 20 and 1. I know I tried putting a 0.5 micron on and the water pump couldn't deal with the head. I did a bit of digging around the giardia. I'm not convinced 1 micron deals with it very effectively, hence I was keen for 0.5 micron or UV. I certainly wouldn't use anything bigger than 1 micron. For the boat, getting 12v ballast for the UV was the tricky bit. I could get appropriately sized lamps and housing no worries. Could run a 240v ballast via an inverter but that is a bit inefficient. Could set it all up on a flow switch, that was a new rabbit hole to go down. The ultimate would be a 12v ballast on a flow switch. I found one available in Oz, but the price was up there compared to NZ 240v options. In the end I just went with Pour n Go and 2 filters. My ultimate goal for the boat is to be able to take on water from dodgy sources while out cruising and still be able to drink it safely. With the full family we've got 7 days capacity in my current tanks. To be honest it is possibly just easier to put in more tanks. PS, what started me down that rabbit hole was a quick risk assessment if he whole family got a dose of screaming shits while stuck in the confined space of a modest sized cruiser with only 1 small heads. www.hammerhardware.co.nz/products/pour-n-go-water-tank-treatment-2-litre-clear-2 |
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Post by harrytom on Feb 11, 2024 15:27:08 GMT 12
Fluoride/tooth decay interesting
We were told dont give babies juice due to sugar. At 23 and 21 the boys have probably drunk enough juice/coke etc to sink a barge with the amount of sugars.
Dentist has said on latest visit(3 days ago) perfect teeth.No fillings brush twice a day,last 5 yrs knocked fizzies on the head,dont drink alcohol/vape or smoke.Stopped takeaway foods. Lazy dinner for them is beans on toast. so maybe diet/fluoride in water has been the saviour?
Mum and I have had no fillings since school,40 odd yrs ago,takeaways/alcohol. Who really knows the answer?
"Fish" We all got crook from opua water a few yrs ago,low rainfill and ended up with dregs from tank. And having water bladder.ended up rinsing out with vinager/baking soda flushing bladder and refilled from opunga cove? before tap was turned off. Once home fitted a filter and never had another issue.
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