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Post by ComfortZone on Mar 9, 2024 12:11:41 GMT 12
I was quite surprised to read it is 10 years since the disappearance of Malaysian Airlines MH370 and altho some wreckage was found on Reunion and other adjacent islands, beyond lots of conjecture and speculation there has not been a definitive answer provided as to what happened. I find it hard to believe with world wide communications and satellite surveillance that no explanation from the airline and authorities has been forthcoming. Another lead/theory being proposed to locate the plane thebfd.co.nz/2024/03/09/new-lead-in-mh370-mystery/
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Post by GO30 on Mar 9, 2024 12:46:27 GMT 12
Looks like another 'No find, No pay'search is being organised.
I reckon someone/s do have a pretty good idea where it is and why. As you mention for all that to just disappear in todays world does seem somewhat bizzare.
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Post by dutyfree on Mar 9, 2024 16:34:53 GMT 12
Everyone knows the CIA stole it and killed everyone so they can use it for black ops
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Post by Cantab on Mar 9, 2024 16:58:04 GMT 12
There was no trace of the one that hit the pentagon, and they knew where it went down.
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Post by eri on Mar 9, 2024 18:42:31 GMT 12
it'll be found, just takes time as the search area is so big and they've already burned through so much cash
the titanic remained lost for >50? years and it wasn't found far from where they thought it'd be
a smaller, alloy aircraft in a much larger area just takes a lot of time and money
esp. when there's no real financial reason to find for it
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Post by fish on Mar 11, 2024 19:45:02 GMT 12
Why not to fly Boeing... Jokat said there was no turbulence after the incident and once the plane landed the pilot came to the back of the plane in “shock”. “I asked ‘what happened?’ and he said ‘my gauges just blanked out, I lost all of my ability to fly the plane’.”LATAM flight has a total flight control black out by the sounds of it. 50 injured, 13 taken to Hospital (Middlemore cause they have capacity...), massive holes in the ceiling. The plane involved was a Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner. About to fly over Antarctica - Auckland to Santiago. www.stuff.co.nz/travel/350209071/sydney-auckland-flight-drops-suddenly-50-passengers-and-crew-injured
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Post by eri on Mar 11, 2024 19:52:30 GMT 12
this is why you keep your seat belt on loosely while seated on a long-haul flight
and if you are walking the aisle and your feet feel light
you immediately lift your arms above your head, so they hit the cabin ceiling before your head/neck does
this event doesn't appear to have been turbulence induced but rather a sudden loss of lift because the aircraft malfunctioned...
not good
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Post by fish on Mar 11, 2024 20:23:06 GMT 12
this is why you keep your seat belt on loosely while seated on a long-haul flight and if you are walking the aisle and your feet feel light you immediately lift your arms above your head, so they hit the cabin ceiling before your head/neck does this event doesn't appear to have been turbulence induced but rather a sudden loss of lift because the aircraft malfunctioned... not good Absolutely, always keep your seatbelt on - loose is fine - it stops you hitting the roof. An extension of the seatbelt thing, I've never understood why offshore yachts don't have airline style seatbelts in the sea-berths. Most of the time in knock-downs etc most of the issues are crew injury. Sure there are issues from the knockdown, but the crew getting beaten up means the other issues can't be dealt with. $20 bucks worth of webbing strap and a clasp and you'd be sorted. One of my greatest achievements in the 2007 Fastnet was not getting thrown out of my bunk. Had to have elbows and knees on the deck-head above many times to achieve that... I know there are lee cloths, but lap-belts would be so much more secure.
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Post by eri on Mar 11, 2024 21:04:38 GMT 12
better use of lee-cloths?
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Post by ComfortZone on Mar 12, 2024 12:21:01 GMT 12
Why not to fly Boeing... Jokat said there was no turbulence after the incident and once the plane landed the pilot came to the back of the plane in “shock”. “I asked ‘what happened?’ and he said ‘my gauges just blanked out, I lost all of my ability to fly the plane’.”LATAM flight has a total flight control black out by the sounds of it. 50 injured, 13 taken to Hospital (Middlemore cause they have capacity...), massive holes in the ceiling. The plane involved was a Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner. About to fly over Antarctica - Auckland to Santiago. www.stuff.co.nz/travel/350209071/sydney-auckland-flight-drops-suddenly-50-passengers-and-crew-injuredDone that flight many times, both in the old A340's and the 787's. The 787's don't go down as far as Antarctica due to the EROP's rules. That flight can be a bit adventurous, one flight was hit by lightning (not that unusual tho) another had a rain of space debris pass around it (I was not on either). There was the one occasion when we were boarding in Auckland, the cabin crew were all excited and said it was the pilot's last flight. I did observe that I hoped it was his last flight once we arrived. Turned out the pilot was LATAM's chief pilot and when we landed in Santiago they had a full fire brigade turn out spraying water over the plane as his sendoff. LATAM is a classic case of an organisation going backwards after a merger. Instead of TAM flights rising to LAN's standards, LAN flights dropped to TAM's standard. That being said the TAM hosties figure hugging tops (and none over age 35) were always easy on the eye
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Post by fish on Mar 12, 2024 12:46:01 GMT 12
Why not to fly Boeing... Jokat said there was no turbulence after the incident and once the plane landed the pilot came to the back of the plane in “shock”. “I asked ‘what happened?’ and he said ‘my gauges just blanked out, I lost all of my ability to fly the plane’.”LATAM flight has a total flight control black out by the sounds of it. 50 injured, 13 taken to Hospital (Middlemore cause they have capacity...), massive holes in the ceiling. The plane involved was a Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner. About to fly over Antarctica - Auckland to Santiago. www.stuff.co.nz/travel/350209071/sydney-auckland-flight-drops-suddenly-50-passengers-and-crew-injuredDone that flight many times, both in the old A340's and the 787's. The 787's don't go down as far as Antarctica due to the EROP's rules. That flight can be a bit adventurous, one flight was hit by lightning (not that unusual tho) another had a rain of space debris pass around it (I was not on either). There was the one occasion when we were boarding in Auckland, the cabin crew were all excited and said it was the pilot's last flight. I did observe that I hoped it was his last flight once we arrived. Turned out the pilot was LATAM's chief pilot and when we landed in Santiago they had a full fire brigade turn out spraying water over the plane as his sendoff. LATAM is a classic case of an organisation going backwards after a merger. Instead of TAM flights rising to LAN's standards, LAN flights dropped to TAM's standard. That being said the TAM hosties figure hugging tops (and none over age 35) were always easy on the eye I did that trip on Lan Chile back in the day. Had two fuel stops. On at Tahiti, the other at Easter Island / Rapanui. Was my first time out of NZ ever. Think it was a Qantas plane to Tahiti. Still remember the wall of humidity as we stepped off the plane onto the tarmac in the middle of the night. Something I'd never experienced prior to that. We had to stay in transit at Easter Island. They didn't have a lounge, or even a terminal really. We had a paddock. With grass. A transit paddock. Luckily it wasn't raining, although it wasn't nearly as warm as Tahiti. I was keen to check out Easter Island, but they only had one flight a week, and we figured once we'd seen the heads (1 day) we'd be bored shitless with the next 6 days. I don't remember the hostesses uniforms, although I do recall the ones on the Qantas flight we like old battle-axes, Lan Chile were much nicer. But as soon as we got to Santiago I was introduced to 'coffee with legs'. Coffee bars where the baristas are well-endowed ladies with not much on. Literally a bar, and lechy businessmen would sip their coffees and ogle the ladies. Very un-PC and very Latin American.
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Post by GO30 on Mar 12, 2024 20:37:34 GMT 12
It's ETOPS. 'Extended Twin Range Operational Performance' or very close to that. The distance a twin engine aircraft can be from a landing field that can take it should it lose an engine. Wasn't that long ago it was only 60 odd minutes, some of the older ones still are, but the newer ones are now pushing 300-350 minutes. Hence why the flight path of long flights can wiggle a bit. Each aircraft model has it's own limit, which it does have to prove. That's also why so many twins and not quads these days.
Nearly did that route last year on route to meet D1 in Guatamala but she talked me into going via Dallas instead. I was concerned a US border person would say something stupid I'd need to correct. As it panned out there was only 1 border person and he looked bored shitless.
Interesting comments coming out today, many are pure uneducated speculation. A computor failure, maybe but all it's redundancy at the same time? Unlikely. These things have redundancy up the wazoo so to lose all at once suggests power issues. It'll be very interesting to see what they find.
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Post by ComfortZone on Mar 12, 2024 21:41:51 GMT 12
It's ETOPS. 'Extended Twin Range Operational Performance' or very close to that. The distance a twin engine aircraft can be from a landing field that can take it should it lose an engine. Wasn't that long ago it was only 60 odd minutes, some of the older ones still are, but the newer ones are now pushing 300-350 minutes. Hence why the flight path of long flights can wiggle a bit. Each aircraft model has it's own limit, which it does have to prove. That's also why so many twins and not quads these days.
EROPs is also referred to, see wiki.ivao.aero/en/home/training/documentation/Extended-range_Twin-engine_OperationsIntroductionExtended range operations by aircraft with two turbine power units (ETOPS or EROPS) are sometimes necessary to permit twin engine aircraft to operate over very long sectors where the range from a suitable alternate aerodrome will exceed the maximum laid down in regulations.limits appear to be a moving target, from en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ETOPSEffective February 15, 2007, the FAA ruled that US-registered twin-engine airplane operators can fly more than 180-minute ETOPS to the design limit of the aircraft. In November 2009, the Airbus A330 became the first aircraft to receive ETOPS-240 approval, which has since been offered by Airbus as an option.[8] ETOPS-240 and beyond are now permitted[9] on a case-by-case basis, with regulatory bodies in the United States, Australia, and New Zealand adopting said regulatory extension. Authority is only granted to operators of two-engine airplanes between specific city pairs. The certificate holder must have been operating at 180-minute or greater ETOPS authority for at least 24 consecutive months, of which at least 12 consecutive months must be at 240-minute ETOPS authority with the airplane-engine combination in the application. In 2009 the Airbus A330 was first to receive ETOPS-240 approval On December 12, 2011, Boeing received type-design approval from the FAA for up to 330-minute extended operations for its Boeing 777 series, all equipped with GE engines, and with Rolls-Royce and Pratt & Whitney engines expected to follow.[10] The first ETOPS-330 flight took place on December 1, 2015, with Air New Zealand connecting Auckland to Buenos Aires on a 777-200ER.[11] On May 28, 2014, the Boeing 787 Dreamliner received its ETOPS-330 certificate from the FAA, enabling LAN Airlines to switch to the 787 from the A340 on their Santiago–Auckland–Sydney service a year later.[12] Until the rule change in North America and Oceania, several commercial airline routes were still economically off-limits to twinjets because of ETOPS regulations, unless the route was specifically conducted as indivertible. There were routes traversing the Southern hemisphere, e.g., South Pacific (e.g., Sydney–Santiago, one of the longest over-the-sea distances flown by a commercial airline), South Atlantic (e.g., Johannesburg–São Paulo), Southern Indian Ocean (e.g., Perth–Johannesburg), and Antarctica. Before the introduction of the Airbus A350XWB in 2014, regulations in North America and Europe permitted up to 180-minute ETOPS at entry. The A350 XWB was first to receive an ETOPS-370 prior to entry into service by European authorities,[13] enabling economical nonstop routes between Europe and Oceania (and thereby bypassing historical stopovers across Asia and North America) by the late 2010s and early 2020s. This includes the high-demand London–Sydney route, in the latest development for ultra long-haul flights. The A350 XWB's current ETOPS certification covers 99.7% of the Earth's entire surface, allowing point-to-point travel anywhere in the world except directly over the South Pole I understand one of the conditions for the approvals is that the APU must be operating for the entire flight. The wags say ETOPS stands for Engines Turn Or Passengers Swim
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Post by GO30 on Mar 13, 2024 13:55:26 GMT 12
The wags say ETOPS stands for Engines Turn Or Passengers Swim Aviation has some cool sayings. One of my favs is 'Takeoffs are optional but landings are compulsory'
Ha fancy that, I've never seen or even heard of EROPs before
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Post by fish on Mar 13, 2024 14:21:15 GMT 12
The wags say ETOPS stands for Engines Turn Or Passengers Swim Aviation has some cool sayings. One of my favs is 'Takeoffs are optional but landings are compulsory'
Ha fancy that, I've never seen or even heard of EROPs before
I understand that approaches are like farts. If you have to force it, it's probably shit.
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