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Post by eri on Mar 16, 2024 7:09:08 GMT 12
the recent plunge possibly caused by the pilots seat motoring forward, forcing the surprised pilot into the control column, which was pushed forward into a dive The Wall Street Journal reported late Thursday that a flight attendant serving a meal in the cockpit hit a switch on the back of a seat that pushed the pilot into controls on the 787,
pushing down the nose of the plane. The newspaper cited anonymous US industry officials who were briefed on preliminary findings from the investigation.
www.1news.co.nz/2024/03/16/boeing-tells-airlines-to-inspect-pilot-switches-following-report/ |
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Post by GO30 on Mar 16, 2024 20:45:27 GMT 12
My brother was a first officer on the same type of 777 when 370 went missing, he is now a captain. He said at the time, the only way to turn off some of the transponders etc is from the outside of the plane (done for the reason that no one on board can turn the things off). This is completely contrary to what's been in the public domain for over 10yrs. Every single article released in the past, even releases from Boeing has been very clear that the pilots have full control and can turn off both transponders from the cockpit. There's even pictures all over the Internet of where the switches are... Eg: Airplanes have two transponders. There are two knobs in the cockpit -- one on the right, the other on the left -- that control one or the other. When one transponder is on, the other is normally in standby mode. To turn off a transponder, a pilot turns a knob with multiple positions and selects the "off" setting. The second transponder doesn't automatically activate if the first one is shut down -- a knob would also have to be turned. In this case, it appears one transponder was turned off, and the second not activated. Ross Aimer, a retired United Airlines pilot and former 777 instructor, said it is possible that one pilot could reach up and turn off the transponder without the other pilot seeing it, say if one was looking away or distracted. There are transponders and there are transponders and there are those who use the wrong terminology, as I suspect is the case here.
Very very few aircraft don't have at least one transponder, many have 2 or more,redundancy is huge inthe aircraft game, and the big heavies have many systems that report and ping for assorted reasons usually mechanical, that work just like the transponder/s in front of my face. A couple of the aircraft I fly have integrated multi stacks and in each is a transponder.
The engineering and other system ones ones can send alerts and so on back to HQ in case there is a engineering issue to be sorted during turn-around. My understanding is the aircrew do not have easy access to them and in some cases may not even know if the craft they are flying has them, they have no need to know as they are not mission critical to keeping the aircraft flying. I'm thinking they are not called transponders though, I'll suss that.
I was taught how to manipulate the transponder to stop being seen doing a naughty by radar, mostly by instructors doing naughty  That did not mean turning it off, just swapping to Mode A which just shouts the aircrafts squawk, personalised code. Generally most set it on Mode C which sends squawk and altitude. But I can turn it off if I like, at the risk of suddenly dropping off radar and causing issues if someone saw it happen. There is also Mode S which sends all sorts out, used mostly by TCAS and air traffic control. That's old school in the big heavies and becoming common in the littuns. I understand Mode S will soon be compulsory for even light aircraft if they want to enter some controlled airspaces in NZ i.e around the bigger airports like AKL and CHC.
Squawk means transmits the code. If you are around controlled airspace and it's busy sometimes the controller will ask you to squawk so I push a button and on their radar my codes blip will light up.
Some of those bits and bobs I can not turn off myself. When I first started flying I could go dark with ease but in the newer aircraft that is not the case, I'm spied on by all manner of system inside and outside the craft. The joys of glass cockpits.
Just ponder this. Car manufactures collect date from your car, they have for many years and a lot is passed back to the manufacture, and insurance companies judging by an article the other week. The aircraft industry is that safety anal it makes cars look like loonies tunes on meth. If Elon* can tell you what your car is doing at any time, something many are not aware of and the owner can not turn off without out reprogramming the depths of the computor, WTF do you think Boeing and Airbus have their aircraft doing?
* - Most manufacturers do. We were somewhat shocked to be told Wa's Honda could and that was 2008 I think. They could even tell us who was driving it at certain times. Mind you that wouldn't be hard, she drives like a Nana where I'm far more a Greg Murphy
I still reckon someone/s know what happened to 370.
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Post by DuckMaster on Mar 18, 2024 22:43:41 GMT 12
This is completely contrary to what's been in the public domain for over 10yrs. Every single article released in the past, even releases from Boeing has been very clear that the pilots have full control and can turn off both transponders from the cockpit. There's even pictures all over the Internet of where the switches are... Eg: Airplanes have two transponders. There are two knobs in the cockpit -- one on the right, the other on the left -- that control one or the other. When one transponder is on, the other is normally in standby mode. To turn off a transponder, a pilot turns a knob with multiple positions and selects the "off" setting. The second transponder doesn't automatically activate if the first one is shut down -- a knob would also have to be turned. In this case, it appears one transponder was turned off, and the second not activated. Ross Aimer, a retired United Airlines pilot and former 777 instructor, said it is possible that one pilot could reach up and turn off the transponder without the other pilot seeing it, say if one was looking away or distracted. There are transponders and there are transponders and there are those who use the wrong terminology, as I suspect is the case here.
Very very few aircraft don't have at least one transponder, many have 2 or more,redundancy is huge inthe aircraft game, and the big heavies have many systems that report and ping for assorted reasons usually mechanical, that work just like the transponder/s in front of my face. A couple of the aircraft I fly have integrated multi stacks and in each is a transponder.
The engineering and other system ones ones can send alerts and so on back to HQ in case there is a engineering issue to be sorted during turn-around. My understanding is the aircrew do not have easy access to them and in some cases may not even know if the craft they are flying has them, they have no need to know as they are not mission critical to keeping the aircraft flying. I'm thinking they are not called transponders though, I'll suss that.
I was taught how to manipulate the transponder to stop being seen doing a naughty by radar, mostly by instructors doing naughty That did not mean turning it off, just swapping to Mode A which just shouts the aircrafts squawk, personalised code. Generally most set it on Mode C which sends squawk and altitude. But I can turn it off if I like, at the risk of suddenly dropping off radar and causing issues if someone saw it happen. There is also Mode S which sends all sorts out, used mostly by TCAS and air traffic control. That's old school in the big heavies and becoming common in the littuns. I understand Mode S will soon be compulsory for even light aircraft if they want to enter some controlled airspaces in NZ i.e around the bigger airports like AKL and CHC.
Squawk means transmits the code. If you are around controlled airspace and it's busy sometimes the controller will ask you to squawk so I push a button and on their radar my codes blip will light up.
Some of those bits and bobs I can not turn off myself. When I first started flying I could go dark with ease but in the newer aircraft that is not the case, I'm spied on by all manner of system inside and outside the craft. The joys of glass cockpits.
Just ponder this. Car manufactures collect date from your car, they have for many years and a lot is passed back to the manufacture, and insurance companies judging by an article the other week. The aircraft industry is that safety anal it makes cars look like loonies tunes on meth. If Elon* can tell you what your car is doing at any time, something many are not aware of and the owner can not turn off without out reprogramming the depths of the computor, WTF do you think Boeing and Airbus have their aircraft doing?
* - Most manufacturers do. We were somewhat shocked to be told Wa's Honda could and that was 2008 I think. They could even tell us who was driving it at certain times. Mind you that wouldn't be hard, she drives like a Nana where I'm far more a Greg Murphy
I still reckon someone/s know what happened to 370.
The main transponder was turned off. The backup was turned off, or never turned on. They did this from cockpit using readily available knobs and switches. That's all that was turned off. There's been nothing else reported anywhere that someone turned off anything that required special access. There's been nothing reported that some other device the plane also always transmits was also turned off. The only other comms that the aircraft sent was the inmarsat satellite connect request. Which is what was eventually used to track the planes location. There's absolutely nothing that suggests someone turned off anything other than the things available with switches in the cockpit. MA did not subscribe to the satellite engine monitoring service so no useful data was ever sent. The point is that no special device that needed specialist knowledge was turned off... |
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Post by GO30 on Mar 19, 2024 10:22:49 GMT 12
'There's been nothing reported that'..... The liability around that crash is many billions of dollars and big reputations are at stake.
Coming to a Tuis billboard by you - Yes of course the dude who blew the whistle on Boeing committed suicide
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Post by DuckMaster on Mar 19, 2024 19:42:32 GMT 12
'There's been nothing reported that'..... The liability around that crash is many billions of dollars and big reputations are at stake.
Coming to a Tuis billboard by you - Yes of course the dude who blew the whistle on Boeing committed suicide
Oh of course... It's a conspiracy... Only those in the know inside the secret circle know that some other device that usually transmits was also turned off.. And of course the all knowing guy that runs a rope/chain business is inside that circle... Oh peeeeezz |
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Post by GO30 on Mar 20, 2024 6:50:43 GMT 12
Just to clarify that. You say I think it's a conspiracy theory then in the next sentence I am actually part of that very conspiracy. So if I am part of of the conspiracy to hide 370 then surly doesn't that mean I'd know what I was talking about and those who think I don't can only be wrong? Loving your thinking there dude  |
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That did not mean turning it off, just swapping to Mode A which just shouts the aircrafts squawk, personalised code. Generally most set it on Mode C which sends squawk and altitude. But I can turn it off if I like, at the risk of suddenly dropping off radar and causing issues if someone saw it happen. There is also Mode S which sends all sorts out, used mostly by TCAS and air traffic control. That's old school in the big heavies and becoming common in the littuns. I understand Mode S will soon be compulsory for even light aircraft if they want to enter some controlled airspaces in NZ i.e around the bigger airports like AKL and CHC.