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Post by fish on Jun 21, 2024 21:56:26 GMT 12
The Chatham Islands have run out of petrol and LPG. Their regular ship has gone for survey, and by all accounts it is a ballache, accept the story has no details as to what the delays are. Went in March. A barge was due to leave Auckland for the Chathams early June, left on Tuesday but turned around due to weather. Not sure what sort of barge it is, but taking a barge out there doesn't sound like my cup of tea. Of even more concern is the farmers have had no income since March when the regular vessel went for survey, cause they can't ship anything to market... Wonder if the govt cares, if they'll send a C130 out with fuel bottles of camping gas and some jerry cans of 98, or perhaps even deploy the Aotea and really sort the fuel issue out. www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350319635/no-petrol-chatham-islands-barge-turned-around-due-bad-weather |
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Post by harrytom on Jun 22, 2024 4:29:27 GMT 12
Doesn't the navy have a supply ship.Charkes Upham or did they scrap it?
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Post by fish on Jun 22, 2024 9:32:33 GMT 12
Doesn't the navy have a supply ship.Charkes Upham or did they scrap it? The upham was scrapped some time ago. now replaced with the half billion dollar Aotea, our purpose designed, ice strengthened (I think) fleet replenishment vessel aka purpose built oil tanker, designed perfectly for getting fuel and humitarian aid to places like the Chathams. Can also take 20 shipping containers and has a water maker plant big enough for a small city. My first thought is loading a load of 200l barrels into a Herc, but I'm sure there are rules about why you can't take flammable liquids in aircraft, even defense force ones that carry loads and loads of it in their wings and drop tanks all the time. |
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Post by fish on Jun 22, 2024 9:34:03 GMT 12
Apologies I got the name wrong - HMNZS Aotearoa In 2020, our Royal New Zealand Navy formally commissioned Aotearoa. The 26,000 tonne tanker and replenishment ship is the largest our Navy has ever operated. Her many capabilities include the ability to carry up to 22 twenty-foot shipping containers, high capacity fresh water generation plants (enough to produce 100,000 litres per day), self-defence systems, aviation and marine fuel cargo tanks, dual all-electric replenishment at sea rigs, a SH-2G(I) Seasprite Helicopter or NH90 helicopter, integrated communications and bridge systems, an integrated platform management system and winterisation features such as some upper deck trace heating and an ice-strengthened hull and underwater fittings. www.nzdf.mil.nz/nzdf/our-equipment/ships-and-watercraft/hmnzs-aotearoa/ |
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Post by harrytom on Jun 22, 2024 11:55:03 GMT 12
Thanks "Fish" same ship that got in to trouble down Napier way supplying water at time of crisis but didnt have permission from govt board? www.1news.co.nz/2024/03/17/cyclone-gabrielle-documents-reveal-issues-with-nzdf-response/But it's now been revealed the tanks weren’t able to be used for drinking because the NZDF is "not a 'certified' drinking water supplier", according to the documents, posing a serious concern for communities in need. |
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Post by fish on Jun 22, 2024 13:04:26 GMT 12
Thanks "Fish" same ship that got in to trouble down Napier way supplying water at time of crisis but didnt have permission from govt board? www.1news.co.nz/2024/03/17/cyclone-gabrielle-documents-reveal-issues-with-nzdf-response/But it's now been revealed the tanks weren’t able to be used for drinking because the NZDF is "not a 'certified' drinking water supplier", according to the documents, posing a serious concern for communities in need. What a nonsense. Under a state of emergency any and all existing legislation can be overridden. Provide of course it is relevant. The biggest threat in any post disaster recover is clean drinking water and the spread of vomiting and diareha outbreaks. Far more people in the Haiti EQ died of tyhpoid than any injuries from the quake. If Defense are supplying water tanks or water, they need to be able to clean and dissinfect that tanks. All you really need is a bottle of bleach, but there are numerous ways to do it. As for the certification, give me a break. Under normal circumstances you will clean and sterilise equipment, pipelines, tanks etc, take samples, send them to a lab, wait 3 days to a week for the results and then open the assets for service. It was a major disaster. I don't think the labs were open, let alone the efforts to get the samples from the back of buttfucknowhere to the lab. This will be why Defense can't just fly some petrol and LPG out to the Chathams. They don't have the requisite paperwork and certifications. |
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Post by fish on Jun 22, 2024 13:06:10 GMT 12
I've been to conference awards dinners where Defense got awards for their rapidly deployable disaster response water treatment units.
Design to fit in a Herc and be deployed anywhere within the Pacific within hours.
Get clean drinking water to people without a pot to piss in in less than a day.
This certification nonsense really winds me up.
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Post by em on Jun 22, 2024 20:17:48 GMT 12
I've been to conference awards dinners where Defense got awards for their rapidly deployable disaster response water treatment units. Design to fit in a Herc and be deployed anywhere within the Pacific within hours. Get clean drinking water to people without a pot to piss in in less than a day. This certification nonsense really winds me up. As I mentioned about a month ago RNZAF were flying up to New Cal a week before things kicked off and regular flights as it unfolded . Not sure what the benefit to NZ was for all that flying about |
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Post by GO30 on Jun 23, 2024 10:04:39 GMT 12
But it's now been revealed the tanks weren’t able to be used for drinking because the NZDF is "not a 'certified' drinking water supplier", according to the documents, posing a serious concern for communities in need. That came about due to the Mahota the Loota and her mate Jacindas 3 Waters bill. I believe that law or at least the bit covering that has now been placed where it should be, the rubbish bin.
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