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Post by Punter on Aug 1, 2024 16:15:37 GMT 12
What OneNZ will offer is not already available. You're conflating two completely different technologies. Yeap aware there is some conflating going on above. But reading on I didn't realise there is Starlink and then there is SpaceX, each are different. Never knew that but now I do a couple of things said now make more sense.
So just to clarify a clustered head this morning, it's been one of those, we'll have these options which while being similar are different.
1 - Someone can get Starlink which means a Dishy and you get very good speed data for interweb and so on. With that one could also use interweb phone apps like Whatsapp, to communicate by voice.
2 - Someone could also get a OneNZ SpaceX phone, when they get here, and use that anywhere for voice communication but for data it will be slow and probably quite frustrating.
3 - Someone wanting OK speed data, in most of NZ that has no fibre or other options, would be better off to get a decent phone and just hotspot (which is our current setup)
So it's a case of picking what works best for the end game you are chasing?
For us wanting monitoring i.e. real time video, having no fibre option we have Hotspot or Starlink, stay away from the OneNZ offering. As a fixed longer term solution I'm thinking Starlink is smarter than hotspot.
Am I on track with all that?
5G is very short range that's why we'll see bugger all of it outside of the CBD and Ponsonby Road, or so I am told. Oh, and Takapuna/Devonport, this I know as they changed the antenna at Hauraki Corner a wee while ago,I can hear it as I ride past. Hear it? What hole have you gone down? I have bluetooth comms in my helmets. One day I rode past H Cnr to see them changing antenna, a few days later as I got about 120m from the new array my comms went evil, about 100m past it stopped, been that way ever since. On sussing the changes they made were swapping from 4G to 5G. No idea if I need to swap to a tin foil helmet but the coincidence is a little spooky.
Almost... Starlink is the name of the service that runs over the SpaceX satelite constellation. SpaceX is the infrastructure provider, Starklink is the service provider. But to be clear Starlink and SpaceX are provided by the same company (aka Elon Musk). If you like, this is similar in concept to One.NZ owning a whole bunch of physical Cell Towers - aka the infrastructure - well actually Infratil own those, but I digress... OneNZ provide a mobile phone service using that infrastructure. Tech Republic provide a mobile phone service using that infrastructure etc etc... It's all the same underlying infrastructure. The SpaceX satelite constellation can provide different frequencies and different services. Starlink is one such service that uses a specific frequency provided by SpaceX. SpaceX are in the process of adding 4G/5G frequencies, which means launching a whole bunch more satelites and upgrading others. When they finish the upgrade ALL existing 4G/5G handsets will work - you will not need to purchase a new handset. Regarding (1) - 1 - Someone can get Starlink which means a Dishy and you get very good speed data for interweb and so on. With that one could also use interweb phone apps like Whatsapp, to communicate by voice.Not only could you use data services like WhatsApp, you could also use 4G/5G over the Internet - this is a feature launched by One.NZ several years ago, which allows your phone to connect to the OneNZ core without going via a cell tower! So your phone can receive and make calls and send/receive TXTs in the middle of the pacific ocean as if it had line of sight to a cell tower right here in New Zealand. Apart from a little symbol in the corner of your phone which says WifiCalling instead of 4g/5g, the experience is identical to walking around the CBD, actually better cause there's no dead spots!!! 2 - Someone could also get a OneNZ SpaceX phone, when they get here, and use that anywhere for voice communication but for data it will be slow and probably quite frustrating.When SpaceX finish buring all the dinosaurs launching another 50,000 (I kind not) satelites into orbit, enabling the 4G/5G frequncies, ALL existing 4G/5G handsets will work - you will not need to purchase a new handset. Yes, we are told by the rocket scientists that it will be impossible to go past around 15Mbit/s. They are touting this like - speed of light impossible - not like we havn't figured it out yet impossible, I don't begin to understand why they won't be able to go faster, but then I also don't understand why the universe has a cosmic speed limit. Frustrating is not a word I would use, but one has to be aware of the limitations when deciding what to use it for... 3 - Someone wanting OK speed data, in most of NZ that has no fibre or other options, would be better off to get a decent phone and just hotspot (which is our current setup)An even better option would be to get a permanent 4g/5g router with an external antenna. But yes, if this solution is working for you and you have OK speed then I would not recommend changing. 4-
5g will do from 1.5km - 5km 4G will do from 2km - 6km and a bit more over open spaces (like the hauraki gulf) So not really a lot of difference. The advantages come from density - we can get a shit load more user connections on the 5G than on the 4G - so that's why you are seeing 5G only coming out in populated areas. Oh and there's no point deploying 5G to rural areas cause there aren't enough people for the governments mind control experiments to have an even half decent return on the investment they have made. Yes you should definitely get a tin foil hat, I think it would suit you :-)
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Post by GO30 on Aug 1, 2024 19:32:27 GMT 12
Oh and there's no point deploying 5G to rural areas cause there aren't enough people for the governments mind control experiments to have an even half decent return on the investment they have made. Yes you should definitely get a tin foil hat, I think it would suit you :-) I do actually have a tin foil hat, reinforced with carbon fibre for when you're down those real deep holes. But I think rather than stopping the Govts rays it contains them and they bounce around so much I fall over. I'm sure the groggy head on coming too is just a coincidence A fancy dress some years back and kept it to wear when driving around town just for shits n giggles. Some of the looks at lights etc are magnificent. Try it, it's more fun than when mum caught her tits in the wringer.
Ah, it's all coming together now. But this donged the bells A while back I went sussing for what I think is exactly that. I knew there was a way as we did a fair bit with a boss of Telecom back in his day and he fitted one, or some sort of boosted receiving/transmitting gizmo to his boat and one on his Bros. But sussing telcos they said 'Na, not for a one off domestic'. I found something on the web but was told they come with a 'But wait, order now and get a set of Steak Knives', hardly bastions of performance an quality too often. So I sort of gave up.
And then out of the twilight in rode you...... Elaborate please.
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Post by Punter on Aug 1, 2024 21:54:16 GMT 12
A while back I went sussing for what I think is exactly that. I knew there was a way as we did a fair bit with a boss of Telecom back in his day and he fitted one, or some sort of boosted receiving/transmitting gizmo to his boat and one on his Bros. But sussing telcos they said 'Na, not for a one off domestic'. I found something on the web but was told they come with a 'But wait, order now and get a set of Steak Knives', hardly bastions of performance an quality too often. So I sort of gave up. And then out of the twilight in rode you...... Elaborate please.
You can't legally run a booster without a permit from MBIE - you can buy them on the black market. Same as buying a VHF marine radio that does 50W, illegal without a permit/license but you could buy one from china, import it as a stereo, cause customs are as thick as two mustard sandwiches, install it in your boat and talk over the top of everyone... There's any number of products available. At the end of the day they are just simplified mobile handsets with external antenna plugs that are purpose built for wifi sharing... Here's an example - no affiliation - I just did a Google for 700Mhz LTE router. viewtech.co.nz/product/teltonika-4g-mobile-router-b28-700mhz/It has external antenna plugs, so if you want to put an outdoor antenna on it you can - but as you already have coverage for your phone you could probably just get away with putting it in your roof cavity or an appropriate bookcase and be done with it... a device that doens't move around the house, is permanently wired, will, at the end of the day, be much more likely to give you a better experience than what you get from using a phone...
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Post by GO30 on Aug 2, 2024 10:30:37 GMT 12
Never has anything 'legal' popped up so that's interesting but does make sense. 'Boosted' signals could cause issues elsewhere. I was sussing booster not router. Some much terminology these days if you don't get it right you can't find stuff, that's possibly behind my previous fruitless search and slightly worried telco people when asked. Sussing there seems a lot of wifi routers on the market, PB tech lists 43 of them, so routers OK, boosters not so much. So get a good router, wire it into the ceiling and use that as the 'hot spot' for everything else here, which is cells,TV, laptop and hopefully shortly a wifi camera. I have a spot I can mount one and see most of the farm, get a good zoomer and I can check from a far. I was explaining to a dude just yesterday who's been pissed around by the industry for a couple of months his problem was he was chatting to supermarkets not specialists. We fixed if for him in literally 30 seconds. He now thinks we practice voodoo It's good to chat to specialists as they know shit betterer, it's just a case of tracking them down or in this case stumbling upon them. Thanks to the specialist with the moniker of Punter, that's cleared a lot up very nicely.
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Post by em on Aug 2, 2024 11:07:02 GMT 12
Never has anything 'legal' popped up so that's interesting but does make sense. 'Boosted' signals could cause issues elsewhere. I was sussing booster not router. Some much terminology these days if you don't get it right you can't find stuff, that's possibly behind my previous fruitless search and slightly worried telco people when asked. Sussing there seems a lot of wifi routers on the market, PB tech lists 43 of them, so routers OK, boosters not so much. So get a good router, wire it into the ceiling and use that as the 'hot spot' for everything else here, which is cells,TV, laptop and hopefully shortly a wifi camera. I have a spot I can mount one and see most of the farm, get a good zoomer and I can check from a far. I was explaining to a dude just yesterday who's been pissed around by the industry for a couple of months his problem was he was chatting to supermarkets not specialists. We fixed if for him in literally 30 seconds. He now thinks we practice voodoo It's good to chat to specialists as they know shit betterer, it's just a case of tracking them down or in this case stumbling upon them. Thanks to the specialist with the moniker of Punter, that's cleared a lot up very nicely. Have you checked with Uber in Whangarei ? They have wireless repeaters around northland , we have at least 3 in our small district . Most of our neighbours are on it because the local cell towers got booked out for 3/4G modems almost immediately . Have been using them for 5 years with no issues even works in power cuts , if you are offgrid of course . uber.nz/
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Post by GO30 on Aug 3, 2024 13:22:33 GMT 12
That's interesting EM. Never knew about that so I shall suss.
But I am trying very hard to make rural 100% stand alone and as self sufficient as possible. I do see a time where a bolthole like that could be damn handy and sadly I don't think that time is that far away and if/when it kicks off the cities will not be nice places to be. I really hope I'm wrong but it is just as easy to build with self sustaining in mind than otherwise so why not just in case.
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Post by dutyfree on Aug 10, 2024 12:38:56 GMT 12
You can buy the Starlink mini in NZ now. Slightly more expensive, runs straight from 12v if you want and has an integrated router. On my list for christmas
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Post by GO30 on Aug 11, 2024 8:48:11 GMT 12
You can buy the Starlink mini in NZ now. Slightly more expensive, runs straight from 12v if you want and has an integrated router. On my list for christmas Looks handy but do you want it for the boat or the Ducati? In the spiel it refers to 'inland data' and 'In motion' and there is also 'Ocean'. That suggests the Mini cost ramps up once it leaves land. With some plans at 5K a month I'd suggest you check that out or you may get a surprised that means you need to pull out your fish net stockings for a K Rd income boost.
After chatting with our esteemed Punter I'm hunting for a wifi router gizmo, not a 'booster' as that scares telco people a little too much. Terminology, that's where I was going wrong, I had the wrong term. Now I'm better informed the solution is surprisingly easy.
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Post by ComfortZone on Aug 11, 2024 14:10:03 GMT 12
You can buy the Starlink mini in NZ now. Slightly more expensive, runs straight from 12v if you want and has an integrated router. On my list for christmas
In the spiel it refers to 'inland data' and 'In motion' and there is also 'Ocean'. That suggests the Mini cost ramps up once it leaves land. With some plans at 5K a month I'd suggest you check that out or you may get a surprised that means you need to pull out your fish net stockings for a K Rd income boost.
If you go offshore you shift to a top up plan which costs something like USD$1.50-2.00/GB. That will take you a long way as long as you do not have 4 people watching Netflix continuously. Have not heard of anyone with over the top bills from this. Once you reach destination just switch back to regular roaming plan
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Starlink
Aug 12, 2024 7:43:14 GMT 12
via mobile
Post by dutyfree on Aug 12, 2024 7:43:14 GMT 12
The geo blocks they use pretty much hang out over the coastline of NZ, like 99% of where you go cruising so you should be ok with the standard roam package
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Post by Cantab on Sept 18, 2024 13:12:56 GMT 12
Surprising amount of people hate the guy. He is making a mockery of some deeply rooted Government funded programs so making some pretty big enemies, lot of money at stake. I am constantly astounded at the technological breakthroughs his companies are making, seems to be waging a bit of a war with the Biden administration at the moment so lots of cool videos coming out. Some people think this sort of thing is childless and irresponsible and should be banned, others think its cool and reflects the sort of freedom of imagination you need to come up with new ideas, possibly assisted by some special substances. Watching HD quality live video from the spacewalk this week via starlink was a huge milestone. anyway, this ones a bit old but I like the attitude
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Post by ComfortZone on Sept 18, 2024 17:06:02 GMT 12
Starlink have recently updated their "Roam" plan www.starlink.com/support/article/dd5b43b5-20e1-b29b-2d7d-a7ffd0541988Included with the Starlink "Roam" Service Plan: -Unlimited or 50GB of data -Countrywide coverage within country of account address -In-motion use up to 100 Mph / 160 Kph -Ability to pause and un-pause service at any time (billing is in one-month increments) -International travel in available markets for up to 2 months per trip -Coastal coverage (up to 12 nautical miles off the coast) in territorial waters where Starlink provides active coverage around the world for up to 2 months per trip
-For Roam 50GB, ability to opt into purchasing additional data by the GB is supported
Unsure if the "International travel in available markets for up to 2 months per trip" may be a problem if we are offshore for a winter, will need to investigate further.
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Starlink
Sept 18, 2024 18:22:41 GMT 12
via mobile
Post by dutyfree on Sept 18, 2024 18:22:41 GMT 12
Cool. I am getting one pre Christmas. Will be awesome. Used one last year on a 10 day trip to 3 kings. Worked impeccably so I could keep working
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Post by GO30 on Sept 19, 2024 9:01:15 GMT 12
Surprising amount of people hate the guy. He is making a mockery of some deeply rooted Government funded programs so making some pretty big enemies, lot of money at stake. I am constantly astounded at the technological breakthroughs his companies are making, seems to be waging a bit of a war with the Biden administration at the moment so lots of cool videos coming out. Some people think this sort of thing is childless and irresponsible and should be banned, others think its cool and reflects the sort of freedom of imagination you need to come up with new ideas, possibly assisted by some special substances. Watching HD quality live video from the spacewalk this week via starlink was a huge milestone. anyway, this ones a bit old but I like the attitude With his comments around things political he has to be very close to an invite from the Clintons or Putin.
KEEP BACK FROM THE WINDOW DUDE!!!!
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