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Post by ComfortZone on Jan 14, 2022 11:57:29 GMT 12
I keep getting the feeling that switching to "clean green" solar, electric, lithium, wind, ethanol ... seems to involve more extraction of scarce resources and environmental destruction than basic Oil / Coal ever did. How can it possibly be sustainable? The mining and processing of the materials needed to serve technology and electricity production, distribution and storage is staggering and growing faster than any so called dirty industry ever did. The long term pollution of water and land from mining and processing new desirable materials seems far more destructive than coal or oil ever was. The technology change seems to be more of a diversion than a solution. There is another issue with the increase in resource extraction, the interaction with local communities. Las Bambas, the largest copper mine in Peru was closed last December due to ongoing blockades of the trucks carrying the concentrate product www.mining.com/mmg-shuts-down-las-bambas-copper-mine-as-talks-fail/Like any situation there are are 2 sides to every story, and as I managed the investigations into transport options for this project, I know better than most what these are. But the key issue raised here is the Western world wants all these solutions to problems it believes it has, but the cost (environmental, social etc) leans heavily on developing countries. When I lived in Brasil there was a popular bumper sticker which said "it is our Amazon", ie Brasilians telling the west they do not need to be told how to manage their country after the west has made a mess of their own. Here is a test, what chance do you think there would be of developing an open cut gold mine in NZ? I would say buckleys, yet people here still want their electronics with their gold contacts, woman still want their jewelry etc. |
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Post by fish on Jan 14, 2022 14:41:26 GMT 12
I think a lot of the commercial activity we are seeing in the EV / HV / Solar space is not a climate-driven shift but an economic one ie as fossil fuel supplies diminish their price will skyrocket meaning their use will become unviable well before they actually run out. But the ‘environmental’ association is a convenient marketing label. I concur.
We're 100% solar up north but it wasn't so much due to wanting to make Chloe or Greta happy it was mostly due to getting a grid connected line in would cost over 100K, the closest one is about 2km away and have to come in thru dense bush. There was a strong self reliance angle to the decision as well. We are setting the place up to be self sufficient in electricity and water, it is in water now but I'm increasing the amount stored on site by around 15 million litres. Food wise it's close now even if the diet would be a little limited at the moment, if you can live on slow smoked BBQ wild Pork, Bunny or Turkey, Pheasant, Duck and Quail and like Blackberries then you'd be fine.
It's far cheaper to do it this way that do it the 'traditional' way anyway. But as we are doing that we can claim to all manner of Eco wank titles and handouts they come with these days, which are numerous and some very generous even if many are distorting the crap out of things including the stated end desires of the Govts and other environmentals.
The Wa is currently organising a rammed earth house to be built on site, hopefully using timber grown, milled and treated 100% on site.
Fuck, I think I'm turning into a hippy...... I better go buy a house bus, hair ties and more Zig Zags 
Turning into a hippy? Given your propensity to either shoot things or blow things up, sounds like you fit the demographic of the classic 'Prepper'. I don't even have a gun license, can't find two people to vouch I'm of good character. I'm still bemused how you managed to get one ;-) And I don't mean Prepper in a bad way. I am rather jealous of your ability to be self sufficient. |
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Post by Fogg on Jan 14, 2022 14:52:03 GMT 12
What as in prep’ing for a catastrophe like…. errr a global pandemic? 😊
Having seen up close the damage a speargun can do I’m surprised they don’t require a license. Do you need one for a crossbow?
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Post by GO30 on Jan 15, 2022 18:54:09 GMT 12
15 million litres... FFS that's a lot of 50,000 L plastic tanks 🤣 must be a lake... Or well? Rammed earth... Don't bother! Go brick n tile low maintenance.. you'll need all the time you can get. Yeap it'll look more lake than tank but only because itll be a small lake  Fancy earth with stones n stuff. Walls 900mm thick and zero maintenance. |
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Post by GO30 on Jan 15, 2022 19:29:12 GMT 12
I tell people Im burying containers of water guns and ammo, its funny watching the reactions...including the staff at Gun City rhis am when I brought a new shotgun...and 300 rounds of 00 Buckshot amongst others. Not prepping even if I have a feeling the world is close to assorted shit fights, inc NZ, but as its a blank canvas we thouggt why not make it as self sufficient as we can so we are. Vegan is unlikely as I am negotiating the purchase of approx 8000 kilos of beefs on the hoof, 45 of the little..  ? 170kg each +/-, buggers.
I got a dispensation to get a gun license a year before I reached the standard age so I could go duck shooting. Weirdly that happened a year after I had a wee firearms related oppsy. shot at the neighbour guttering but a shit shot as I never heard it go 'Ping' so I kept trying for a while before giving up.....and then it rained and I learnt about this new fan dangles plastic guttering..DOH!!! But the neighbour wasn't impressed nor the plods who rocked up, nor dad once they'd left. So to get a license just tell them you already have 20 back at the gang head quarters, if they aren't sure give Gayford a ring.
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Post by GO30 on Jan 15, 2022 19:50:18 GMT 12
What as in prep’ing for a catastrophe like…. errr a global pandemic? 😊 Having seen up close the damage a speargun can do I’m surprised they don’t require a license. Do you need one for a crossbow? Civil war.
Yeah spearguns do damage, I know this as I shot myself with one on a wee, very wee, island called Motutapu which is on the outter reef of Bora Bora. the one the 1st Club Med was built on until the cyclone cleaned it from existence and I mean clean, you'd never know anything was there. Just me and a Aussie chick, whom I had devious intentions who was on the crew, I was taking a 65fter to Tahiti where a crew from the US was going down to take her the rest of the way. I was telling her why you don't load speargun when your 1/2 in and 1/2 out of the water when it slipped and bugger me I shot myself in the head, true story. Luckily I'm a thicko so it glanced off the skull but it did peel back a very nice flap of skin....about then I remembered we'd been diving and feeding the reef sharks an hour earlier so left the water at pace. She ripped up a sarong for bandages and I anaesthetised myself with the most wicked Bloody Marys, they worked damn well.
No licence for crossbows nor slug guns. I find that a little  these days as I have a slug gun that has a muzzle velocity of 1850 ft/sec, which is twice as fast as my .22 using sub sonics (940ft/sec) and my new shotty (400-500ft/sec) but not as quick as my .223 (2800-3200ft/sec). Over Xmas it was the slug gun that took down a possum at 40-45 odd metres 1 shot, the .22 never did that. It's even suppressed as the .177 slug leaves super sonic. During lockdown I set up a range in the backyard of our town estate  but stopped after the sluggy was going thru 12mm ply at 25m. As long as you are 18 you can walk in and buy one no licence required.
Just thinking this is not a green topic but then it is, we're talking pest removal so for the genuine greens I'm removing genuine pests, for the Green party MP's who are pests themselves then they are probably only concerned if the shotty is Trans, homophobic or planning a blockade of Palestine.
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Post by eri on Jan 15, 2022 20:50:00 GMT 12
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2022 7:21:50 GMT 12
Well, NZ is planning more EVs than our electricity network can handle or afford. Beat that 🤣 |
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Post by ComfortZone on Jan 27, 2022 19:15:40 GMT 12
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Post by Cantab on Feb 15, 2022 11:38:20 GMT 12
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Post by GO30 on Feb 15, 2022 17:10:01 GMT 12
Na, not in the slightest.
The wholesale repurposing of land to make 'green' things tends to be 95% smoke and mirrors.
On of my best investments is in 'hardcore green'.... but it involves cutting down trees, mixing them with assorted icky chemicals them shipping the result 1/2 way around the world. Buggered if I can make head or tails of how that is supposed to be uber green. But it pays very VERY handsomely so we can ignore a bit of dirty can't we  |
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? 170kg each +/-, buggers.
these days as I have a slug gun that has a muzzle velocity of 1850 ft/sec, which is twice as fast as my .22 using sub sonics (940ft/sec) and my new shotty (400-500ft/sec) but not as quick as my .223 (2800-3200ft/sec). Over Xmas it was the slug gun that took down a possum at 40-45 odd metres 1 shot, the .22 never did that. It's even suppressed as the .177 slug leaves super sonic. During lockdown I set up a range in the backyard of our town estate 
but stopped after the sluggy was going thru 12mm ply at 25m. As long as you are 18 you can walk in and buy one no licence required. 
