what are the greens thinking?

newshub running it now too

looks a very "best possible" outcome theory based on some limitless source of money

to balance it needs a "worst possible outcome" based on a crashed economy with a substantial brain and funds drain

then voters can work out which of the middle courses they think is most likely

at first blush it looks a lot like what the soviets tried

i know the greens hate it when that comparison is made

but it seems most valid 

a friend who lives on Vancouver's "Sunshine Coast" sent me these photos taken 30 Dec 21


Can't see too much global warming there...

Nicely put Eri...

And your chicks for free. ( We are in Dire strait's)


The problem with the greens is they have no clue where the loot comes from to pay for thier bullshit Ideas that are just made up to make them look like global leaders.

They are like one Farner cleaning his 200 meters of river frontage while down stream the council pours out millions of tonnes of sewage and they then have the cheek to tell the farmer he is not doing his bit.


Greens are good at spending your money but have no clue where it comes from.

Maybe The green thinks money grows on trees.

labour's increasingly important coalition partner wracked with anger

as they fail to drag nz's centre closer to the big-gov. socialist-republic

that voters don't appear to want

www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/459250/green-party-discontent-members-walk-ex-mps-criticise-leadership

The reason it went from Global warming to Climate change was due to the fact that as the Climate over all warms, we begin to see more and more extreme events. So we get temperature and Weather events in both directions. It maybe hot here for our Summer, but it is possible that some Countries will experience big Winter Storms, or some Countries may experience unnaturally warm Winter weather. There is no longer any normal.
If and this is a big If, the warming Oceans cause the "converyor belt" Current to stop or reverse, then we could also be plunged into a mini ice age.

Just because we have a series of record breaking hot days, does not prove Global Warming/change. Even an entire Summer does not prove that. So I do get annoyed at Media and the extremists using such things to holler "It's Climate Change, we're all doomed". The Earth has always had cycles and it always will continue to. But over all, the average has been rising at we cannot deny that. It is only when we see a continuation of Summer after Summer of higher than average temperatures, that it can be said that it is due to Climate Change.
For us here in NZ, the Country sits in an area of latitude where we do not see the same extremes. In fact for Marlborough, we have had the first early Summer of hit weather I can ever remember. I don't know what the rest of the Country has experienced.
I think any fool and his dog realises our Winters have become less cold overall and Summer temperatures more volatile as the years go on. I can remember as a teenager on the Farm, I would be duck shooting start of May on all our Farms Ponds. It was always cold wet miserable weather at the begining of May and the Ducks would come in low in the misty rainy evenings as it began to get dark. Those Ponds have never filled at that time of year, for at least the last 20yrs, maybe more. They only fill in middle of Winter if they have had a wet one. It is not unusual to see them dry through winter for several years in a row now.

But I totally disagree with the ideas of how to combat Climate change. Carbon Credits for instance is a joke. I see nothing but Hypocrisy when it comes to the Greens and the likes of James Shaw flying all the way to Scotland for a meeting. And missing the actual meeting anyway, makes it even more of a joke. Or that the Greens and Thurnburgs of our World cry out we are all killing the Planet, yet they are happy to wear Synthetic clothing and use their Cellphones. The later of which would solve the Worlds energy shortage overnight if they ditched the Phone. Not to mention the Resources being dug up continuously so those People can continue to have the latest in technology to play Pokemon and txt pathetic message to one another instead of getting off their Butts and going to actually visit their mates like you and I did when we were Kids. I like many of us, find it Hypocrisy when it comes to Electric Cars and other ideas of "Clean Energy", when the....well you all know it.
My view is that we do need to accept that there is Global Climate change. N ot all of it is man made, but we sure have been responsible for a large chunk of it. But even if lets say we haven't. I would still like Clean Air to breath, our Animals to remain alive and not full of plastics and I want to do my bit. Hence why I have spent the last so many years studying Chemistry and designing proccesses to combat the waste plastics.
I become the most angry when I see all the rubbish on the sides of roads that have been thrown there by Teenagers that couldn't give a crap about any of it, yet are the first to join up to a Protest march. I get angry at the Countries that dump tons of refuse and Plastics directly into the Ocean, when some stupid have no clue causes the Plastic Shopping bag to be removed.
That's my 2 cents anyway.

wow, I actually agree with G on most of what he says above, would only dispute the degree of man made influence on the climate which no one can quantify, but that is just a matter of degrees.
Not one of the doomsayers predictions (Gore, Hansen, Flannery(Australia), Mann et al) have played out, yet still they go on and on. The usual story here is follow the money, the profits to be made in "green" business are very high. You keep hearing how power generated by "unreliables" is approaching the cost of traditional base load generation, then the governments say "that's great, you don't need any more subsidies", the generators are horrified "you can't pull the subsidies or we do not have a business. One major example was Abengoa in Spain
As far as future climate trends one to watch is sunspot activity (ask any HAM radio operator, they will always have an eye on this for propagation),
21stcenturywire.com/2020/09/05/global-cooling-noaa-confirms-full-blown-grand-solar-minimum/
there is a view/concern Earth could be heading for another "Maunder Minimum", referring to a period between 1645 and 1715 when sunspots were very rare.
Time will tell ....