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Post by eri on Jan 5, 2022 14:34:46 GMT 12
good, but long, read In recent years, New Zealand’s leaders and hence also the New Zealand public have lost sight of a simple reality that exports are the engine room of the economy. The way that things work has meant that the New Zealand economy has been able to freewheel for quite some time, relying on exceptional returns from its primary industries, but with very little productive investment.
This freewheeling, together with exceptional export prices, has also helped hide the fact that exports have been declining as a component of the overall economy. In the ten years through to 2012, exports of goods and services averaged 30 percent of GDP (data sourced from national accounts). Since then, they have always been less than 30 percent of GDP, first slipping down inexorably through the ‘high twenties’ and then dropping alarmingly in the March 2021 year to 21.9 percent.
As long as overseas investors have been willing to provide an ongoing flow of capital, then this decline has not been readily apparent except to those who searched in some depth. But at some stage there has to be a day of reckoning.
If and when that day of reckoning comes, then it will show up via on-market devaluation of the New Zealand dollar. Market forces will be saying that New Zealand has to start paying its way. That will mean less importation of energy, cars, machinery, computers, pharmaceuticals and medical equipment.
As to when that day might be, I cannot tell. It will depend in large part on when the fickle speculative money-trading community, acting in normal fashion as a herd, decides that the New Zealand dollar is not worthy of their speculation. This will also be influenced by when the international long-term investment community decides there is a lack of good New Zealand investments to buy. www.interest.co.nz/public-policy/113913/focus-covid-19-and-associated-inflation-forces-have-crowded-out-consideration
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2022 14:53:49 GMT 12
good, but long, read In recent years, New Zealand’s leaders and hence also the New Zealand public have lost sight of a simple reality that exports are the engine room of the economy. The way that things work has meant that the New Zealand economy has been able to freewheel for quite some time, relying on exceptional returns from its primary industries, but with very little productive investment.
This freewheeling, together with exceptional export prices, has also helped hide the fact that exports have been declining as a component of the overall economy. In the ten years through to 2012, exports of goods and services averaged 30 percent of GDP (data sourced from national accounts). Since then, they have always been less than 30 percent of GDP, first slipping down inexorably through the ‘high twenties’ and then dropping alarmingly in the March 2021 year to 21.9 percent.
As long as overseas investors have been willing to provide an ongoing flow of capital, then this decline has not been readily apparent except to those who searched in some depth. But at some stage there has to be a day of reckoning.
If and when that day of reckoning comes, then it will show up via on-market devaluation of the New Zealand dollar. Market forces will be saying that New Zealand has to start paying its way. That will mean less importation of energy, cars, machinery, computers, pharmaceuticals and medical equipment.
As to when that day might be, I cannot tell. It will depend in large part on when the fickle speculative money-trading community, acting in normal fashion as a herd, decides that the New Zealand dollar is not worthy of their speculation. This will also be influenced by when the international long-term investment community decides there is a lack of good New Zealand investments to buy. www.interest.co.nz/public-policy/113913/focus-covid-19-and-associated-inflation-forces-have-crowded-out-considerationThat day is about 3- 5 years away when the green party policies and labours social spending ( cloaked as a covid response cost) finally kill our exports, the money men see no value in our dollar, and the Donkey chops policies/ spending bill/debt becomes very difficult to pay off. Just remember how easy it is for overseas owned banks and multinational companies to say bye bye when the brown stuff hits the air movement device.
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Post by armchairadmiral on Jan 5, 2022 15:20:18 GMT 12
My bet is 22/23 as Covid refugees head back overseas causing flood of houses to be sold and NZ is left with a loan reliant economy and diminishing exports to pay.Something like a 30 % increase in bureaucracy who are largely unproductive but taxpayer reliant for income and who haven't lost a days pay during covid plus rising interest rates on overseas loans ,You don't have to be Alan Greenspan to see what's coming ! (neither did he )
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2022 15:24:32 GMT 12
My bet is 22/23 as Covid refugees head back overseas causing flood of houses to be sold and NZ is left with a loan reliant economy and diminishing exports to pay.Something like a 30 % increase in bureaucracy who are largely unproductive but taxpayer reliant for income and who haven't lost a days pay during covid plus rising interest rates on overseas loans ,You don't have to be Alan Greenspan to see what's coming ! (neither did he ) Bingo!.... See my new thread. Great minds aye!
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Post by eri on Jan 8, 2022 14:27:42 GMT 12
as an oz article about the challenges facing morrison and the country could easily have been jacinda and nz the economist tells a story of problems building for biden and america that could easily be here RAPIDLY RISING prices are as conspicuous as they are unpopular. Annual inflation of 6.8% has left American consumers even more anxious about the economy than they were during the pandemic-induced crisis in the spring of 2020. They are gloomy (see chart), even as many of them enjoy rising incomes, bargaining power over their employers—the result of a labour shortage—and soaring house prices. Their unease is a problem for President Joe Biden, whose economic management does not poll well. By one count, over two-thirds of voters disapprove of his record on inflation.
The White House is therefore now keen to fight the rise in prices. But Democrats are slipping into a bad habit that often afflicts politicians at such a moment: blaming greedy corporations and rigged markets instead of their own flawed policies. It is a recipe for more mistakes.
plans to increase competition among slaughterhouses, which he blames for a 16% rise in meat prices in the year to November. He has also called for investigations into the energy and shipping industries, the sources of recent shortages and bottlenecks.
Scrutinising concentrated markets may be a good idea, but it will not do much to fight inflation. It is absurd to think that corporations became more greedy over the past year or that markets are suddenly less competitive. Prices have accelerated in part because Mr Biden’s excessive economic stimulus led to a surge in spending on physical goods at a time when the pandemic had already bunged up global supply chains.
The danger of misdiagnosing the cause of inflation is that it eventually leads not just to irrelevant policies but to damaging ones. One risk is price controls. The Roosevelt Institute, a left-wing think-tank, has called for the federal government to “regulate and negotiate” more prices. Isabella Weber, an economist at the University of Massachusetts Amherst, wants “a systematic consideration of strategic price controls”. Both point to high corporate profits to support their arguments.
As America learned when President Richard Nixon froze prices and wages in 1971, controls would distort the economy and harm growth while at best delaying inflation. Today’s advocates tend to call for surgical interventions rather than across-the-board freezes, but it is naive to think that the bureaucracy could make a success of micromanaging the price mechanism.
It may seem far-fetched to think that politicians would resurrect policies that had been so thoroughly discredited.
The uncomfortable truth for Mr Biden is that the Federal Reserve, not the White House, controls the tool to bring down inflation: higher interest rates. www.economist.com/leaders/2022/01/08/democrats-seem-drawn-to-hare-brained-schemes-to-control-inflation
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2022 15:41:52 GMT 12
Stay tuned Eri, the worst is to come once Omicron has cleaned up C19 once and for all.
Think about what will happen here...
Kiwis with wanted skills will desert expensive Jacindaland for foreign shaws oops shores.
109,000, returnees, who returned pretending to be " coming home" will feck off back to thier real home.
Nationals rich loyal supporters will leave fed up with way the country is going.
Inflation, mortgage rates rise's will kick some major arse causing market stress.
Future Devious hidden taxes will screw the middle class, as labour try to repay debt
It's a cluster fuck just waiting for a time to happen.
That time is very soon.
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Post by Fogg on Jan 10, 2022 8:17:04 GMT 12
Actually that’s an even simpler proxy for economic growth that any economic historian will confirm - population growth.
Population growth fuels economic growth. And smart (well-educated) population growth fuels more even efficient economic growth.
And smart immigration has a role in that if your organic population growth isn’t fast enough.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2022 10:42:56 GMT 12
Tis True that Mr Fogg, and there are plenty of talented dudes from lands of the poor that see the marketing spin donkey chops puts out regarding how good wonderful we are ( compared to what I don't know as even Pakistan is looking appealing to me right now)
But that is fucked up by donkey chops and her anti immigration policy.... She wants dangerous losers ahead of talent winners with money. ( To buy houses)... And there lies another problem . Where do you house them?
I think the mass exodus will be greater than the influx.
The thing is we are now one of the most expensive countries to live in and it's going to get worse.
It's a big cluster of contradictions... But that is how the like it . Mind fuck you with "confusion marketing" so you can't get a handle on the reality of the plan... If there is one?
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Post by Fogg on Jan 10, 2022 10:46:35 GMT 12
From conversations on the anchorage over the last few days with various young, mobile professionals looking to build their nest-egg it seems that AUS remains the biggest competitive threat to retaining NZ talent.
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Post by Fogg on Jan 10, 2022 10:53:07 GMT 12
And I might add these youngsters don’t give two hoots about whether NZ seems to have a long-term plan - that’s the preserve of political commentators and empty-nester armchair critics like many of us here - instead they are doing a here-and-now direct comparison on pay-parity, cost of living & housing and career prospects in their chosen profession. Politics wasn’t mentioned once in this context. In other words the youngsters might have loud opinions on politics when they are gobbing-off on Twatter but back in the real world they seem to focus on the same non-political economic fundamentals that I did when I was in their position earlier in my career.
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Post by ComfortZone on Jan 10, 2022 11:32:58 GMT 12
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Post by dutyfree on Jan 10, 2022 14:31:20 GMT 12
So think about the social unemployment insurance. At a general level I dont have too many issues with it, if it was structured like Kiwisaver for instance.
So you pay into your own "self-insurance" account up to a specified max for example. If you draw down on it then you get your own money back, but a taxpayer top-up if insufficient. Then when you get employed again, you top it back up etc. When you hit say 65 you get the balance if any released to you.
If you never get employed and so dont have a positive balance you will get the standard minimum.
I have until recently held my own income insurance and have often had it supplied by employers too.
The problem with what the govt wants to do is they want it to be additive i.e. they will not reduce income tax to offset the new tax. So where does the new tax go? Not in a special account for each tax payer, no the general fund to be allocated to whatever the govt thinks is great.
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Post by eri on Jan 10, 2022 16:19:55 GMT 12
there's no intention of reducing the tax burden on the middle-class, quite the opposite in fact this is a way to increase the tax burden on the middle class by shifting as much as possible of the current gov. spending on them, on to them what they want to do is redistribute (future?) earnings + savings from those that have them, to those that don't kiwisaver is a way to make people who have jobs pay for their own 'many-options pensions', so the general pension fund can afford to continue offering 'fewer-option pensions' for those that never paid much tax as they never had 40? years of full-time work likewise, a compulsory 'unemployment insurance' is a way to make people with jobs fund their own unemployment benefits between jobs so that the dole/unemployment benefit/jobseeker allowance can continue to fund those that never really work full-time all trying to achieve 'outputs' as equal as possiblefrom differing 'inputs'there will presumably be bureaucrats beavering away right now on ways to get more middle-class earnings spent on private health insurance and private schoolsa delicate balance, because the middle-class expect to see some benefit from this extra spending that is being pushed on themwhile the gov. is largely committed to ensuring there is no difference between education and health outcomesincredibly hard to have your cake and eat it but it's such a tempting proposition millions of man?hours get wasted on it every year much in the same way ancient alchemists tried to find ways to turn base materials into gold
can't do it as it can't be done but the dream is SO powerful hard to see how it won't end in a workers exodus now we no longer import workers and in the growing anti-work culture Ford is an early pioneer of the "antiwork" movement, which encourages followers to work as little as possible in traditional jobs or abandon them altogether for self-employment, with the goal of prioritising leisure time.
She is also a moderator of r/antiwork, the influential thread on internet forum Reddit. Its membership has ballooned from 180,000 in October 2020 to 1.6m this month as the coronavirus crisis leads many to re-evaluate their careers.
Huge numbers of Americans quit their jobs last year, including 4.5m in November, the labour department reported on Tuesday. That was the highest "quit rate" since the department began tracking it in 2001.
Their numbers are sufficient to prompt Goldman Sachs to warn in a November research note that the antiwork movement posed a "long-run risk" to labour force participation.
The antiwork movement traces its ideology back to Marxist texts suggesting that humanity could evolve beyond the requirement to work for a living.
www.nzherald.co.nz/business/reddit-antiwork-forum-booms-as-millions-of-americans-quit-jobs/QSFG7JIHRVCS2JHRM25Q7JNKYQ/
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2022 16:45:18 GMT 12
there's no intention of reducing the tax burden on the middle-class, quite the opposite in fact this is a way to increase the tax burden on the middle class by shifting as much as possible of the current gov. spending on them on to them what they want to do is redistribute (future?) earnings + savings from those that have them, to those that don't kiwisaver is a way to make people who have jobs pay for their own 'many-options pensions', so the general pension fund can afford to continue offering 'fewer-option pensions' for those that never paid much tax as they never had 40? years of full-time work likewise, a compulsory 'unemployment insurance' is a way to make people with jobs fund their own unemployment benefits between jobs so that the dole/unemployment benefit/jobseeker allowance can continue to fund those that never really work full-time all trying to achieve 'outputs' as equal as possiblefrom differing 'inputs'there will presumably be bureaucrats beavering away right now on ways to get more middle-class earnings spent on private health insurance and private schoolsa delicate balance, because the middle-class expect to see some benefit from this extra spending that is being pushed on themwhile the gov. is largely committed to ensuring there is no difference between education and health outcomesincredibly hard to have your cake and eat it but it's such a tempting proposition millions of man?hours get wasted on it every year much in the same way ancient alchemists tried to find ways to turn base materials into gold
can't do it as it can't be done but the dream is SO powerful just put that into my plain English translator and it came up with this.
We steal the hard earned $$$ from the hard working honest people and just give it to the low brow full time losers.... While making out that we are lifting poverty. ... Yeah yeah pull the other one 🐴 donkey chops.
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Post by Cantab on Jan 10, 2022 16:50:03 GMT 12
I thought it might be a bit simpler than that, though your points are valid long term for communist rule.
I thinks it's planning ahead for high unemployment days as a mechanism to support mortgage holder's when the dole isn't enough. Votes To Win Elections is the guiding principle.
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