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Post by fish on Jan 29, 2024 16:54:59 GMT 12
No doubt, but the sad situation is the market for the older Kiwi boats is really declining. I was talking on the weekend to a couple of guys who used to own one of the top S34's and asked if the next generation was picking up the baton for the class and they said sadly no, prices are being dropped big time just to make a sale. Seems to me of those who are in the market for a yacht, the majority can be divided into 2 groups, those who want a stripped out race boat and those whose wives/families want a big arsed AWB floating apartment. The market for old wooden (and for that matter many GRP production boats) Townsons, Lidgards, Wrights, Spencers and many more is very weak, due to their age and their being from another time (basic bach accommodation standard c.f much greater expectations now) . Fogg and I were having this discussion on the weekend, and one of many key requirements for us is headroom, a Townson 32 only has 1.75m max, cannot stand up in them. Then there are the biases against wood construction, insurance issues etc, sadly I can see a real glut in the market in the not too distant future, even contemplating the possible sale of CZ I could see her not being the easiest to move on. Absolutely. The purchase price is a fraction of the cost of owning a boat. I've been looking at this myself, I can get a comfortable, solid and much bigger boat for mid $100k, but the annual cost of ownership would be the same as a 40 year old smaller boat with less features. Insurance, antifoul / basic maintenance and mooring / marina hardly shift between something like my boat (or this one) and say a Farr 1220. We've been debating what Charlatan is worth. Have her insured for $100k, but then started looking at the boat market in this bracket and got a fright! Then started contemplating trading up to a bigger boat, plenty of 'affordable' options, but then aren't sure what the current boat is worth. These boats - Townsons, Lidgards, Birdsals etc, are like driving a classic HQ Holden - amazing feel, tactile, sail very well. But the modern boats are like modern jap cars, air con, cruise control, reversing cameras etc. Don't have that classic feel and tactility, but feck the aircon is nice in mid Jan - maybe not aircon on the boat, but bigger cockpits, better bimini's, onboard shower, wet locker (that is what I think you use the 2nd and 3rd heads for isn't it?) |
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Post by sabre on Jan 30, 2024 19:10:38 GMT 12
 Anyone know this boat? I overheard them talking and apparently built in 1901. No name that I can see.. |
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Post by GO30 on Jan 30, 2024 19:19:15 GMT 12
Definitely an A Class and I'm gonna say 'Rawhiti'.
She's had a tickle up and is looking glorious at the moment.
Bugger, that reminds me I need to sort some brightwork quickly. My 109yo is wanted in some Classics show at the start of March.
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Post by sabre on Jan 30, 2024 19:27:53 GMT 12
A quick google suggests Rawhiti was built 1905.. 4 years later. Maybe the same boat but with a cruising rig. It has a triple spreader mast and a headsail furler..
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Post by em on Jan 30, 2024 19:45:12 GMT 12
View AttachmentAnyone know this boat? I overheard them talking and apparently built in 1901. No name that I can see.. I think it’s for sale ? Had a Brett Bakewell-white keel and a rig mod to make it 2 handed friendly if it’s that one . |
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Post by em on Jan 30, 2024 19:47:33 GMT 12
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Post by sabre on Jan 30, 2024 20:03:32 GMT 12
Thats it! Stunning boat and it is being double handed. Apparently looked a sight coming up through Port Abercrombie this afternoon. Genuine head turner |
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Post by sabre on Jan 30, 2024 20:06:57 GMT 12
It definately loses something with the sloop rig but still a very pretty boat!
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Post by em on Jan 30, 2024 20:26:31 GMT 12
No doubt, but the sad situation is the market for the older Kiwi boats is really declining. I was talking on the weekend to a couple of guys who used to own one of the top S34's and asked if the next generation was picking up the baton for the class and they said sadly no, prices are being dropped big time just to make a sale. Seems to me of those who are in the market for a yacht, the majority can be divided into 2 groups, those who want a stripped out race boat and those whose wives/families want a big arsed AWB floating apartment. The market for old wooden (and for that matter many GRP production boats) Townsons, Lidgards, Wrights, Spencers and many more is very weak, due to their age and their being from another time (basic bach accommodation standard c.f much greater expectations now) . Fogg and I were having this discussion on the weekend, and one of many key requirements for us is headroom, a Townson 32 only has 1.75m max, cannot stand up in them. Then there are the biases against wood construction, insurance issues etc, sadly I can see a real glut in the market in the not too distant future, even contemplating the possible sale of CZ I could see her not being the easiest to move on. I really struggled with this last year when we were looking for a cruiser . I would love to have a Donaldson Bros built Davidson or the Davidson 52 whichway or Mr Roosevelt or even an Elliott pilot house . We need a big boat with 6 kids , 5 of them have partners and grandkids are on the horizon . The above type of boats were 100k or in the Elliot’s case 1 mil over our budget cap so we started looking at 40 foot kiwi boats . I’m sorry to say that knee high travellers in the middle of the cockpit suck kumaras and so do king single quarter berths that you have to do yoga contortions to get into . Don’t be offended by the above comments , we often sleep 4/5 on our raceboat pre coastal classic/R66 and it’s only 26 foot but our 3 daughters aren’t there trying to change into swimwear etc . Long story short we went for function over form and wound up with a retro 50 Ft French tank from 1989 with 6’2 headroom , enough tankage to motor to Picton from Whangarei and 1000lt of water for our daughters showers . It sails ok and has done the Med to NZ twice and quite a lot of South Pacific cruising . |
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Post by Fogg on Feb 2, 2024 16:08:34 GMT 12
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Post by muzled on Feb 2, 2024 17:07:59 GMT 12
Also known as Island Pigs aren't they? Sail to windward like a brick from what I've read. Def seems like a good price though. |
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Post by fish on Feb 2, 2024 19:25:26 GMT 12
Also known as Island Pigs aren't they? Sail to windward like a brick from what I've read. Def seems like a good price though. A skipper I used to race for in the UK always had a violent reaction at the mere mention of Island Packets. Never entirely got to the bottom of it. Apparently he and his missus did a delivery voyage on one. The motion was so bad they weren't sure they'd make it. I think he got flung at some point and buggered his back. Was a North Sea delivery so the sea-state wouldn't have been great, but apparently the ability for the boat to handle it was shithouse. 1.6m draft on a 38 ft yacht doesn't sound promising. I see it doesn't have a keel, more of a concrete block wall attached to the underside of the canoe body... |
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Post by ComfortZone on Feb 5, 2024 21:34:03 GMT 12
Interesting interview with Pete "Rocna" Smith (at his crusty best) and tour of Kiwi Roa
was really disappointed that I was not able to join him when he sailed to the Antarctic Peninsula some years ago.
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Post by harrytom on Feb 5, 2024 22:00:33 GMT 12
Yes I get get Peters update via emall or FB. The places hes been and photography mind blowing.One can only dream.
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Post by ComfortZone on Feb 6, 2024 8:52:23 GMT 12
Yes I get get Peters update via emall or FB. The places hes been and photography mind blowing.One can only dream. Pete has a huge file of photos on file from his more recent voyages waiting to be sorted and the best posted on his web site, I keep pressing him to do this  |
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