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Post by ComfortZone on Sept 19, 2023 18:56:52 GMT 12
What’s more likely to shift the dial back towards more ‘traditional’ NZ by dismantling race-based policies? Nats or Nats + Act That’s the key Q for me to determine my vote. Winston/NZF is not included in your considerations? Not advocating for him but he has been the most outspoken about NZ going down the apartheid road. Whether you believe him is of course another thing all together but the same applies to National and ACT as well |
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Post by GO30 on Sept 19, 2023 19:15:04 GMT 12
What about a ACT/NZF Govt.
That would come with the added bonus of not having to spend any coin on defence as the lovies will be spitting dummies like a decent cruise missile.
Agree Mr Fogg, that's the target. But I'm not seeing much out of the Nats that suggest they will wind much of that back.
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Post by Fogg on Sept 19, 2023 19:31:40 GMT 12
Which is why I think Act need to be in the picture but being pragmatic they won’t get enough votes to govern alone so their only chance is a partner of substance alongside Nats.
Agree NZF sound like they are talking stance wrt racism but I’ve not heard Nats confirm they will work with NZF if they make a good showing?
Therefore, the only credible ‘running partner’ I see to Luxon is Seymour. Otherwise you risk wasting a vote on NZF if Nats won’t touch them.
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Post by fish on Sept 19, 2023 21:48:30 GMT 12
National have been very careful not to commit to sorting any of the racism / co-governance. It's not on their pledge card. I have not seen it in any of their policies. (still have to read them though).
I was surprised they omitted race from their pledge card. What does that tell you?
ACT are coming out with some really stupid stuff at the moment, but I still probably vote for them, on the basis of sorting the racism, and the productivity focus.
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Post by ComfortZone on Sept 20, 2023 13:11:34 GMT 12
this is a release from Seymour following the debate thebfd.co.nz/2023/09/20/act-wins-first-leaders-debate/The Chrises squabbled about who gets how much of the pie, without articulating a vision for growing it.
The Chrises went back and forth over issues which are very real to hardworking New Zealanders, without spelling out what real change would look like. That is why it was a failure not to include all parties in the debate like times past.
Unfortunately for those seeking new solutions, it wasn’t just the Chrises’ names that are the same. Neither Chris articulated any significant difference from the way things are today, or each other for that matter.
For example, it’s true that healthcare should be based on need not race, but it is not complicated to explain how. A Chris just needed to say that there should be one funder of a service like Health or Education, who should fund providers that are effective, whether they’re Maori, Pacific, or not based on ethnicity at all.
Chris Luxon is correct that it was wrong to give Bluescope a whopping $140 billion subsidy, but only ACT is saying we need to dump the Zero Carbon Act and let industries respond to the market price of carbon under the Emissions Trading Scheme.
Chris Hipkins is deluding New Zealanders by saying co-Governance is working together. Just last month Willie Jackson said Maori have ‘separate rights.’ Only ACT has set out in detail how we would tread a path back to democracy from co-Governance.
The Chrises answered the quickfire questions in lockstep, there’s got to be more choice than that. Even when they both agreed with the need for a four-year term, neither party stands by this view with policies, but ACT has legislation ready to go.
The Chrises stuck to well-worn talking points without showing clear values or principles beneath these. Only ACT builds its policy positions on a clear set of values.
Both Chrises argued about the holes in each other’s tax policies. The truth is the government doesn’t have any money, only the money which you earn and which it taxes. If we want to be a prosperous country, we must put productivity at the centre of everything we do. Only ACT is proposing a lower, flatter tax system which would incentivise success and grow productivity. this was the lead comment on the above ACT are similar to the Nats, Labour & Greens on several major issues like our human rights, the silence surrounding the deaths & harms from the vaxx and the lies surrounding all of covid.They are also similar on the fairy tale climate scam, but Act lead on the WEF euthanasia or depopulation by any means plan.But I do like their tax plan, only how many will not get this benefit with the increase in disabilities and the current huge death rate, all since the jab..........just been informed another acquaintance has cancer.I think something ACT is lacking is someone internally with the gravitas to tell DS to pull his head in from time to time (National has the same problem, it is not the National Party, it is Chris' Party with JK lurking in the background, and it is Chris' way or the highway). Sadly the person who could have done that for ACT is no longer with us. I am referring to Stuart Pedersen, who most here will remember as the skipper who died when Essence sank in 2019. What not many know is that Stuart at the time was ACT's finance spokesman and would have brought a level of maturity to ACT that DS lacks. |
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Post by eri on Jan 20, 2024 12:28:35 GMT 12
"I enjoy Bryce Edwards’ Political Roundup as a succinct and pertinent summary of current New Zealand politics. But, in The Liberal v Conservative anguish over the direction of NZ politics (NZ Herald, 3 January 2024) Edwards corrupts the word ‘liberal’ too much.
The word ‘liberal’ has a definite, important, and nuanced meaning – despite decades of misuse, especially in North America. Steven Joyce, former Minister of Finance and much else, comes close to the mark. In his 2023 book On The Record. Joyce says: “The world is divided broadly into collectivists and individualists, with a whole lot of people in the middle who are collectivist sometimes and individualist at other times”.
The ‘liberal project’ is firmly one of individualism, which makes ACT the nearer to a liberal political party than any of the parties of the left. Joyce himself is a pragmatist, a person in the middle who nevertheless veers firmly towards liberalism. I can accept Steven Joyce as a liberal, given that to be ‘a liberal’ does not always mean being liberal. I cannot accept Jacinda Ardern or Chris Hipkins as liberals."
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I would be happy for Bryce Edwards to substitute ‘liberal’ for ‘progressive’, given the understanding that progressive politics in the 21st century is principally a collectivist enterprise;
and noting that a modern (and most pre-modern) collectivist political systems represent rule by elites for elites.
eveningreport.nz/2024/01/18/keith-rankin-analysis-to-be-a-liberal/
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Post by Cantab on Jan 22, 2024 6:20:05 GMT 12
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Post by fish on Jan 28, 2024 10:53:55 GMT 12
"Over the last quarter of a century, the Clark, Key, and Ardern governments have all eroded the simple idea that YOU are the person that makes the difference in your own life," Seymour said. "There's been a cultural shift towards the idea that if there is a problem to be solved, or if life is to get better, the people in Wellington will do it for us. "Since the 1990s, the government has steadily crept further and further into your life. What has been the result? Education results are going backwards. One in ten working age New Zealanders is on a main benefit. The price of a house is out of reach for most young New Zealanders. Productivity has flatlined." www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2024/01/act-leader-david-seymour-hits-out-at-opposition-to-treaty-principles-bill-in-state-of-nation-speech.html |
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Post by eri on Feb 1, 2024 8:54:17 GMT 12
While National as a party seems to be trapped in short-term memory, obsessed with returning New Zealand to the Key years and governing like it's 2009, and New Zealand First wants to take us even further back - to some imagined halcyon days of the 1920s, 50s, or 70s - ACT is the one to watch. Regardless of whether or not you agree with his politics, Seymour's speech reminded us why.Seymour spoke insightfully of a Pacific far from the "benign strategic environment" in which Clark said she governed. A world where "there be dragons" everywhere. And where US political polarisation is bad for smaller countries, from Ukraine to Israel to New Zealand. Critically, he says when trust in democratic institutions erodes, democracy itself is in jeopardy. These are important words.reforming the very machinery of government - regulations - that Seymour is best placed to take his one shot at transformation. To make his case for change and reinvention. Which means it's there his opponents will have to take up arms against him and there - in the dull trenches of regulation - that some of the most important debates of the next three years will come.
The outcome of those debates will go a long way to determining the state of our nation in the 2027 election.
www.rnz.co.nz/news/on-the-inside/507832/seymour-promise-reveals-tension-at-the-heart-of-government
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Post by eri on Feb 7, 2024 11:25:41 GMT 12
"On Monday at Waitangi, the ACT caucus stood up to defend a basic value: that every child growing up in New Zealand deserves the same respect and dignity, including equality before the law," Seymour said in a statement, launching the campaign today."This belief is a core principle – or kaupapa – for ACT. It’s a belief shared by most New Zealanders, including Māori.
"And it's a principle that has the backing of our nation's founding document, with Article Three of Te Tiriti promising the same rights and duties for all New Zealanders."www.1news.co.nz/2024/02/07/act-launches-treaty-principles-bill-information-campaign/
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Post by muzled on Feb 9, 2024 14:26:14 GMT 12
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Post by eri on Feb 10, 2024 13:29:07 GMT 12
The Act party and its leader David Seymour appear to have reaped the dividends of a heated Waitangi Day period, rocketing up to 13.7 per cent in the latest Taxpayers’ Union-Curia poll. The poll, taken over the first week of February and released today, Act on 13.7 per cent – up 5.6 pointsNational is also up 2.6 points to 39.6 per centOn the poll results, NZ First would no longer be needed to form a government – Act and National would get 66 seats between them – National getting 49 and Act 17. NZ First has dropped to 5 per cent (down 1.)Greens have dropped sharply to 9 per cent (down 4.8 points)
Labour dropped only slightly to 27.9 per cent (down 0.4).
Te Pāti Māori was on 2.3 per cent (-1.1 points)
www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/poll-shows-act-leader-david-seymour-and-party-gaining-support-after-waitangi-events/3FQWSZB3TBFCJDDRF26VTWVFIU/ |
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Post by Cantab on Feb 10, 2024 16:19:38 GMT 12
TPM down 1.1pts doesn't sound like much, it's 30% of what they had though.
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Post by GO30 on Feb 11, 2024 10:30:56 GMT 12
Interesting results which I'd think will have the Nat backroom in deep discussions.
Why do you reckon ACT has gained all this support? Is it just due to the TOW chat they want or is there more?
I like the media stirring by dropping in 'this means NZ First is not needed'. Chucking a few grenades in hope one will explode well maybe?
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Post by eri on Feb 11, 2024 16:07:11 GMT 12
i think act have just gotten back the support that winstone took off them in the run-up to the election
winston knows how to play the game and he plays it very well
he doesn't care that act have got it back as he's now locked in the long-term, 2 or 3 term, coalition agreements with nats/act
you'll remember it took a long time for winston to get the agreements he needed to allow the coalition to be made
and he said he was cementing a coalition agreement that would hold for several election cycles
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