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Post by fish on Feb 27, 2022 10:04:12 GMT 12
I hear Putin has received Nanaia Mahuta's strongly worded letter on behalf of the NZ Government. Vlad is reported to have read it and was then seen asking google 'What is a New Zealand and does anyone care?' As we are named after a small province in the Netherlands, which is largely a swamp, he probably things we are part of Europe... |
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Feb 27, 2022 11:06:36 GMT 12
Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2022 11:06:36 GMT 12
This division is worse because Ardern has put... Maori v European Old v young Rich v poor Vax v unvax City v rural Councils v government Nz v USA Doctors v g.government Teachers v children Freedom v control........ None of those are new. They all existed long before Ardern some have been worse than now, some have been better. Social cohesion has been an ongoing issue for past governments and will continue to be for future governments. If you think that any of that list sprung up as a result of Covid/Ardern you're naive. If you think all of it got worse and none of it got better you've been influenced by media. (and I don't mean msm) I challenge you to go back in history and look at each of those topics and see how broken they have been in the past. I suggest starting with The New Zealand Wars. As a country we continue to work on social cohesion and we must because we cannot continue to take a she'll be right attitude. Because it won't be right. You have to understand that social cohesion isn't a top down process, it's a bottom up process. The government isn't responsible for these divides the people are. Toxic platforms, such as Facebook, YouTube and Crew, that spread misinformation and promote inappropriate values such as sexism, racism and antivaxism have been reigned in by society. There was a time years ago when I joined crew, it was a sexist cesspit, photos of young women in bikinis lying on boats and crude comments from males about how they wanted to use the winch handles. It was unacceptable and contributed to driving a wedge between females and males in sailing that still persists to this day. Overtime the sexism was removed and the people responsible for it were asked to stop, that happened not by the moderators but by the members, some of which went on to become mods. Recently vaccine misinformation was on crew, people took the responsibility and started presenting the actual facts. Eventually and unfortunately, the moderators stepped in. The "government' squashed the dissenters - that didn't actually solve the bigger social problem - it solved the issue for crew - but didn't actually help society. The people impacted came here and created this echo-chamber. Now we have toxic hell hole echo-chambers of misinformation such as Telegram and Port. The responsibility rests with the members of the community to fix the social cohesion. So OLD ROPE 👀 , if you want to see any of the divides you've listed resolved, recognise that social cohesion is a bottom up problem and start becoming part of the solution instead of waiting for the Government to step in with a mandate that drives further division. |
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Feb 27, 2022 12:27:41 GMT 12
Post by eri on Feb 27, 2022 12:27:41 GMT 12
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Feb 27, 2022 13:32:40 GMT 12
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Post by OLD ROPE 👀 on Feb 27, 2022 13:32:40 GMT 12
This division is worse because Ardern has put... Maori v European Old v young Rich v poor Vax v unvax City v rural Councils v government Nz v USA Doctors v g.government Teachers v children Freedom v control........ None of those are new. They all existed long before Ardern some have been worse than now, some have been better. Social cohesion has been an ongoing issue for past governments and will continue to be for future governments. If you think that any of that list sprung up as a result of Covid/Ardern you're naive. If you think all of it got worse and none of it got better you've been influenced by media. (and I don't mean msm) I challenge you to go back in history and look at each of those topics and see how broken they have been in the past. I suggest starting with The New Zealand Wars. As a country we continue to work on social cohesion and we must because we cannot continue to take a she'll be right attitude. Because it won't be right. You have to understand that social cohesion isn't a top down process, it's a bottom up process. The government isn't responsible for these divides the people are. Toxic platforms, such as Facebook, YouTube and Crew, that spread misinformation and promote inappropriate values such as sexism, racism and antivaxism have been reigned in by society. There was a time years ago when I joined crew, it was a sexist cesspit, photos of young women in bikinis lying on boats and crude comments from males about how they wanted to use the winch handles. It was unacceptable and contributed to driving a wedge between females and males in sailing that still persists to this day. Overtime the sexism was removed and the people responsible for it were asked to stop, that happened not by the moderators but by the members, some of which went on to become mods. Recently vaccine misinformation was on crew, people took the responsibility and started presenting the actual facts. Eventually and unfortunately, the moderators stepped in. The "government' squashed the dissenters - that didn't actually solve the bigger social problem - it solved the issue for crew - but didn't actually help society. The people impacted came here and created this echo-chamber. Now we have toxic hell hole echo-chambers of misinformation such as Telegram and Port. The responsibility rests with the members of the community to fix the social cohesion. So OLD ROPE 👀 , if you want to see any of the divides you've listed resolved, recognise that social cohesion is a bottom up problem and start becoming part of the solution instead of waiting for the Government to step in with a mandate that drives further division. soooo... We have cause and effect but in your world it's effect to change the cause. EG. In a normal thinking person's mind Ardern introduces mandates and the effect is what we are seeing On DRwrights alternative rock the protesters are to blame for standing up for thier freedom and the Ardern government did nothing wrong.... Even with the Court of law saying it's illegal! Show me history of co governance, vaxs being mandated, NZ removing itself from 5 eyes... Sure some have the others have happened in the past, but this is 2022 And these latest ones have happened without consensus. Social cohesion is a top down leadership issue. Bottom up is like having a footy match without officials. Leadership in any organisation has a culture that is lead from the top. You will never get change when the workers/ people tell the bosses how to suck eggs. Same with elections under MMP. The voters speak the results get manipulated the people Don't get what they want. Social cohesion comes from a platform established by leaders. The plebs can say what they want, but only the leaders can instigate the rule/laws... If the want to? |
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Feb 27, 2022 13:48:50 GMT 12
Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2022 13:48:50 GMT 12
Bottom up is like having a footy match without officials. Bottom up is the football players getting together to agree to accept, or abide by, or change the rules. If 5% of football players don't agree with the rules and 95% support them then the officials will continue to instigate the rules and the 5% minority will continue to become more isolated and disgruntled. Imagine if 95% of the football players sat down with their colleagues and they all found something that 100% agreed with. That's bottom up social cohesion - that's how social cohesion improves - not by the officials mandating the rules on the 5% minority - cause that drives the minority away and into an isolated enclave. |
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Feb 27, 2022 13:51:34 GMT 12
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Post by OLD ROPE 👀 on Feb 27, 2022 13:51:34 GMT 12
Bottom up is like having a footy match without officials. Bottom up is the football players getting together to agree to accept, or abide by, or change the rules. If 5% of football players don't agree with the rules and 95% support them then the officials will continue to instigate the rules and the 5% minority will continue to become more isolated and disgruntled. Imagine if 95% of the football players sat down with their colleagues and they all found something that 100% agreed with. That's bottom up social cohesion - that's how social cohesion improves - not by the officials mandating the rules on the 5% minority - cause that drives the minority away and into an isolated enclave. There is no cohesion when there is no ref...despite 95% of the players saying they want kissing in the ruck ... Comprehend now maybe? ,🙄🤔🙄 |
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Feb 27, 2022 14:04:23 GMT 12
Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2022 14:04:23 GMT 12
Bottom up is the football players getting together to agree to accept, or abide by, or change the rules. If 5% of football players don't agree with the rules and 95% support them then the officials will continue to instigate the rules and the 5% minority will continue to become more isolated and disgruntled. Imagine if 95% of the football players sat down with their colleagues and they all found something that 100% agreed with. That's bottom up social cohesion - that's how social cohesion improves - not by the officials mandating the rules on the 5% minority - cause that drives the minority away and into an isolated enclave. There is no cohesion when there is no ref...despite 95% of the players saying they want kissing in the ruck ... Comprehend now maybe? ,🙄🤔🙄 No one said the ref is gone. The ref is part of the rules. Did 100% of the players get together and decide to get rid of the ref? No. You are not being realistic. On one hand your claiming that the mandates have driven division and on the other your claiming that the government needs to create rule/mandates to remove the division. Which is it, you cannot have it both ways. The Anti-Vax/Vaxxed division existed long long before covid and long long before Arden was even born. Do some reading on the Small Pox vaccinations, do some reading on the compulsory vaccinations required for a wwi soldier so they could go and fight for your freedom. This division isn't new. |
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Feb 27, 2022 14:06:47 GMT 12
Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2022 14:06:47 GMT 12
The anti-vaxxers existed long long before Covid mandates, and long long before Ardern was born, they are an alternative minority in our community.
Society in general, ie, you and me, have the job of educating them and helping them on the journey to understanding and accepting the science so that social cohesion improves.
How is the government introducing rules and mandates going to mend the divide? They already don't trust the government, they already don't trust authority.
Mending that divide needs to start with you.
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Feb 27, 2022 15:58:12 GMT 12
Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2022 15:58:12 GMT 12
Blocking SWIFT transactions is a double-edged sword, SWIFT is a monopolistic economy controlling dinosaur that needs to go. If blocked from SWIFT, Russia would figure out a way around it along with China who also sees SWIFT as a threat. And then SWIFT would lose it's control. Blocking SWIFT is a bit like Nuclear Weapons, it's a threat that, if you use, you also lose. I read that today some Russian banks have been blocked from SWIFT. In the 2014 Crimea invasion Russia warned that blocking them from SWIFT would be deemed an Act of War and the proposal was dropped. The only non-nuclear nuclear button has now been pressed. In all theory this should lead the ruble to go into free fall and for inflation to sky rocket. I suspect that Russia have a backup SWIFT plan, some agreement with China - this could be a turning point in the world economy and the financial system as we know it. Decentralisation is a good thing - but there will be some rocky roads ahead. Of course this doesn't bode well for the conspiracy theorists who believe that the worlds financial system is moving further towards a centralised super dude or dudeit in the cloud... |
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Post by eri on Feb 27, 2022 17:18:56 GMT 12
the greens need to start getting stern with their friend china (putin has calculated russia can depend on china to buy and sell everything it needs) www.aljazeera.com/economy/2022/2/25/ukraine-russia-crisis-will-china-be-putins-economic-lifelinesend our 2 green leaders over there to china to stamp their feet and scream "THIS IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH" they might not get "RE-EDUCATED" in the communist, socialist way but they will learn what an insignificant pimple they are to the great powers and their games |
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Feb 27, 2022 17:33:56 GMT 12
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Post by OLD ROPE 👀 on Feb 27, 2022 17:33:56 GMT 12
the greens need to start getting stern with their friend china (putin has calculated russia can depend on china to buy and sell everything it needs) www.aljazeera.com/economy/2022/2/25/ukraine-russia-crisis-will-china-be-putins-economic-lifelinesend our 2 green leaders over there to china to stamp their feet and scream "THIS IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH" they might not get "RE-EDUCATED" in the communist, socialist way but they will learn what an insignificant pimple they are to the great powers and their games Eri , I don't know what your occupational is but you are ahead of the game with comments like that. You are a Perla mate 👍👏👏👏. That is superb. Anybody know what James Shaw and his team achieved at Cop26... They are the pimple on the arsehole of life! |
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Feb 27, 2022 17:44:09 GMT 12
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Post by OLD ROPE 👀 on Feb 27, 2022 17:44:09 GMT 12
There is no cohesion when there is no ref...despite 95% of the players saying they want kissing in the ruck ... Comprehend now maybe? ,🙄🤔🙄 No one said the ref is gone. The ref is part of the rules. Did 100% of the players get together and decide to get rid of the ref? No. You are not being realistic. On one hand your claiming that the mandates have driven division and on the other your claiming that the government needs to create rule/mandates to remove the division. Which is it, you cannot have it both ways. The Anti-Vax/Vaxxed division existed long long before covid and long long before Arden was even born. Do some reading on the Small Pox vaccinations, do some reading on the compulsory vaccinations required for a wwi soldier so they could go and fight for your freedom. This division isn't new. The ref has gone. If you can't see that. Your are dumber than I thought. Also try and reply in the context I have posted and reply to the whole post rather than cherry picking paragraphs that are easy to manipulate. |
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Post by eri on Feb 27, 2022 20:38:43 GMT 12
Terras, citing the intelligence report, said the Russian military has enough rockets only for three or four days, and with the new sanctions imposed will not be able to replace their depleted weapons. "There are not enough weapons," the intel report said in two different spots.
"If Ukraine manages to hold the Russians off for 10 days, then the Russians will have to enter negotiations," Terras wrote, noting that the war is costing 20 billion rubles ($350 million) a day. "Because they have no money, weapons, or resources."
According to Terras, Putin was holed up in his "lair in the Urals", and brought Russian oligarchs with him so they couldn't flee the country.
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"Progress to Kyiv has been much slower than they'd expected, they were unable to take key cities early and now must try to bypass them.
"This leaves pockets of well-armed and well-trained Ukrainians to the rear of the Russian front line, exposing a vulnerable logistics tail - an omen for what awaits Putin."
www.nzherald.co.nz/world/russia-invades-ukraine-furious-russian-president-reportedly-holed-up-in-mountain-lair/NZT7M77YGRNSF544R2PTDPDL6Q/
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Feb 28, 2022 7:46:38 GMT 12
Post by GO30 on Feb 28, 2022 7:46:38 GMT 12
Looks like the Ukrainians are putting up a shit load more defence than was expected, well done them.
Some of the social media stuff is big time WTF?? D1 was showing us last evening a bunch of tock ticks with troops on each side challenging each other to the most bizarre stuff, which did include lots of 'come here faster so I can kill you quicker' like ones.
The world is truly a whackjob.
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Feb 28, 2022 8:40:25 GMT 12
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Post by Fogg on Feb 28, 2022 8:40:25 GMT 12
Terras, citing the intelligence report, said the Russian military has enough rockets only for three or four days, and with the new sanctions imposed will not be able to replace their depleted weapons. "There are not enough weapons," the intel report said in two different spots.
"If Ukraine manages to hold the Russians off for 10 days, then the Russians will have to enter negotiations," Terras wrote, noting that the war is costing 20 billion rubles ($350 million) a day. "Because they have no money, weapons, or resources."
According to Terras, Putin was holed up in his "lair in the Urals", and brought Russian oligarchs with him so they couldn't flee the country.
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"Progress to Kyiv has been much slower than they'd expected, they were unable to take key cities early and now must try to bypass them.
"This leaves pockets of well-armed and well-trained Ukrainians to the rear of the Russian front line, exposing a vulnerable logistics tail - an omen for what awaits Putin."
www.nzherald.co.nz/world/russia-invades-ukraine-furious-russian-president-reportedly-holed-up-in-mountain-lair/NZT7M77YGRNSF544R2PTDPDL6Q/ Whilst I’d like to believe this analysis the only trouble is that this assumes Putin takes a rational approach to seizing Ukraine relatively intact. It doesn’t mention the less rational nuclear option. And furthermore. I’ve not seen any commentary on what the rest of the world would do if Putin did indeed drop a couple of nukes to beat Ukraine into submission - would they continue to stand and watch with only economic sanctions against Russia? |
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