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Post by eri on Dec 17, 2022 18:25:39 GMT 12
they need to put their core activity first
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Post by DuckMaster on Dec 17, 2022 18:49:49 GMT 12
Who decides what's more important?
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Post by Cantab on Dec 17, 2022 18:57:55 GMT 12
The mayor
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Post by muzled on Dec 17, 2022 19:57:04 GMT 12
It is completely lost on me why people expect the Council to be cultural ambassadors. I've always expected the Council to administer the local infrastructure and look after / enhance public amenities. To say this issue is a distraction is an understatement. Because it's there job. It's one of the reasons they exist. Local Government Act 2002, section 10 (1) To promote the social, economic, environmental, and cultural well-being of communities in the present and for the future. Maybe having cultural well-being in there is part of the issue? That seems like a central govt issue rather than a local council issue to me. Local councils just don't have the resources to diddle away rates payers money looking after cultural well-being. Although I guess it could depend on the scale to which you expect it to be done? (it does seem like an open ended statement that was invented by some crayon eating wonk that hasn't left their windowless building/or perhaps Wellington for far too long) |
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Post by Cantab on Dec 18, 2022 6:07:45 GMT 12
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Post by eri on Dec 18, 2022 7:15:29 GMT 12
there's a whole lot of 'culture' that is now considered immoral and illegal in all 'cultures' society as a whole generally gets to choose what parts of 'culture' are acceptable and get to go forward not whoever is benefitting from it and to hell with the majority and their laws... hence the kerfuffle over those elders that thought sharing and eating wood pigeons was a traditional rightmananews.co.nz/wp/?p=6824or the young guys that were collecting paua above daily limits for on-sellingwww.stuff.co.nz/business/small-business/66555876/diver-caught-illegally-selling-pauaof course if willyJ, mahuta + co. have their way and create an ethno-state in nz with them at the top of a separate legal, health, education system etc they WILL do what they want and we WILL have let them do it as their dream is of a reverse rhodesia |
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Post by armchairadmiral on Dec 18, 2022 7:25:49 GMT 12
Councils are kneedeep, nay up to their eyeballs in funding maori. It's mostly hidden in expenditure as consultancy, meeting attendance fees, koha, mileage , expenses, gifting land at bargain basement or no cost to list the tip of the iceberg. Not to mention the maori unelected (ompulsory seats a lot of councils have) influence on council decisions. Local govt. is a racial rort massively condoning what is an apartheid regime. Wayne Brown hasn't mentioned it yet but it's there and most other councils. It's not really co governance....they've been handed governance by the sickly white liberals who get elected because only around 40 % of voters participate making it easy to hijack the system. Which has happened
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Post by dp on Dec 18, 2022 7:49:54 GMT 12
Mate of mine recently got elected to council thinking he could make a worthy contribution. He is now wondering why he bothered
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Post by GO30 on Dec 18, 2022 8:22:30 GMT 12
As a KDC rate payer I'd far prefer they get some fucking work done rather than sit there flapping their jaws about shit 99% of ratepayers don't give a flying fuck about. Mayors are not elected to dictate. Their most important role is to provide positive leadership in bringing their diverse councillors and communities together so they can work effectively on the full range of issues facing them. What is astonishing, is that he seemed unaware, that refusing karakia at the start of the meeting, something which is becoming a cultural practice, would cause controversy and more. Where has he been the last 20 years? Your mayor has sabotaged any progress that could of been made for the next 3 years. Parts of council and the community will now be actively working against him. Your rates are going towards the funding of managing the fallout from this astonishing decision. I suspect his denial of Maori cultural input at the start of his meeting is rooted in deeper antipathies which will probably be shared by others in the area. Bottom line is it's not his role to parade his prejudices after the election and leave voters, in particular mana whenua, angry and bewildered. Karakia before meetings are a simple expression of cultural respect. Pakeha are still largely ignorant of the colonial history of Aotearoa and the impact on Maori. There are a lot of good books available and I’d recommend “The Great War for New Zealand” by Vincent O’Malley if you want a good place to start. Your argument is nothing but sick rasict bullshit and you are contributing to bringing this country closer to race wars than we have been since those nasty pommie gits stop Maori murdering then eating each other in significant numbers. that 20 years argument is utter and complete rubbish, it show desperation and that you have no sound ground on which to push your racist vomit. |
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Post by muzled on Dec 18, 2022 8:51:24 GMT 12
Councils are kneedeep, nay up to their eyeballs in funding maori. It's mostly hidden in expenditure as consultancy, meeting attendance fees, koha, mileage , expenses, gifting land at bargain basement or no cost to list the tip of the iceberg. Not to mention the maori unelected (compulsory seats a lot of councils have) influence on council decisions. Local govt. is a racial rort massively condoning what is an apartheid regime. Wayne Brown hasn't mentioned it yet but it's there and most other councils. It's not really co governance....they've been handed governance by the sickly white liberals who get elected because only around 40 % of voters participate making it easy to hijack the system. Which has happened Funnily enough mate was just saying their neighbour down central lakes way (to keep it non specific) is pulling their old house down and building a new one. Part of the resource consent from council is to have some local iwi on site when the groundworks are being done. Three of them at $75/hr each. He told them that was absurd and they could bugger off because of the absurdity of it, but still had to stump up $1500 as a one off payment. Good to see extortion is well and truly alive in our smug hermit kingdom. (I farkn hated that call when sir lord John came out with it, but it seems to ring truer by the day). |
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Post by DuckMaster on Dec 18, 2022 9:08:08 GMT 12
Mayors are not elected to dictate. Their most important role is to provide positive leadership in bringing their diverse councillors and communities together so they can work effectively on the full range of issues facing them. What is astonishing, is that he seemed unaware, that refusing karakia at the start of the meeting, something which is becoming a cultural practice, would cause controversy and more. Where has he been the last 20 years? Your mayor has sabotaged any progress that could of been made for the next 3 years. Parts of council and the community will now be actively working against him. Your rates are going towards the funding of managing the fallout from this astonishing decision. I suspect his denial of Maori cultural input at the start of his meeting is rooted in deeper antipathies which will probably be shared by others in the area. Bottom line is it's not his role to parade his prejudices after the election and leave voters, in particular mana whenua, angry and bewildered. Karakia before meetings are a simple expression of cultural respect. Pakeha are still largely ignorant of the colonial history of Aotearoa and the impact on Maori. There are a lot of good books available and I’d recommend “The Great War for New Zealand” by Vincent O’Malley if you want a good place to start. Your argument is nothing but sick rasict bullshit and you are contributing to bringing this country closer to race wars than we have been since those nasty pommie gits stop Maori murdering then eating each other in significant numbers. that 20 years argument is utter and complete rubbish, it show desperation and that you have no sound ground on which to push your racist vomit. Kaipara District Council have been doing Karakia at the meeting of councillor's for 25 years. As an incoming mayor he should have known about this. You've failed to convince me of any evidence to the contrary. I retain my view, that for Craig Jepson to think he could just take away a 25 year council practice of saying Karakia, without any fallout, is astonishing. Where has he been the last 20yrs? He either planned this, knowing it would damage relations across the region for the next 3 years or he is ignorant. |
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Post by chariot on Dec 18, 2022 12:18:44 GMT 12
A quick question duckfart. Could you tell me how many years it took to become a cultural tradition? I would have thought a cultural tradition would have a longer history that 25 years.
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Post by armchairadmiral on Dec 18, 2022 12:42:43 GMT 12
Councils are kneedeep, nay up to their eyeballs in funding maori. It's mostly hidden in expenditure as consultancy, meeting attendance fees, koha, mileage , expenses, gifting land at bargain basement or no cost to list the tip of the iceberg. Not to mention the maori unelected (compulsory seats a lot of councils have) influence on council decisions. Local govt. is a racial rort massively condoning what is an apartheid regime. Wayne Brown hasn't mentioned it yet but it's there and most other councils. It's not really co governance....they've been handed governance by the sickly white liberals who get elected because only around 40 % of voters participate making it easy to hijack the system. Which has happened Funnily enough mate was just saying their neighbour down central lakes way (to keep it non specific) is pulling their old house down and building a new one. Part of the resource consent from council is to have some local iwi on site when the groundworks are being done. Three of them at $75/hr each. He told them that was absurd and they could bugger off because of the absurdity of it, but still had to stump up $1500 as a one off payment. Good to see extortion is well and truly alive in our smug hermit kingdom. (I farkn hated that call when sir lord John came out with it, but it seems to ring truer by the day). He got off cheap. During dredging of Tauranga harbour my brother told me iwi were present on the dredge while it was working (8 months I think) 2 of them at $80 an hour. And that was 5/6 years ago. A whole lot cheaper than the Environment Court case if they weren't there .Plus the E C would have ordered it anyway as part of a Consent. What about my heritage ? Theres more of me than maori....another example of race based laws....apartheid |
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Post by DuckMaster on Dec 18, 2022 12:45:12 GMT 12
A quick question duckfart. Could you tell me how many years it took to become a cultural tradition? I would have thought a cultural tradition would have a longer history that 25 years. You're obviously not suggesting that I am implying that the cultural tradition of Karakia was created by KDC. Does it read better for you if I say: For Craig Jepson to think he could just take away a 25 year council practice of saying Karakia, without any fallout, is astonishing. ?? |
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Post by eri on Dec 18, 2022 16:26:39 GMT 12
Is wanting to reverse the name of new Zealand after at least 100 years four times worse?
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