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Post by fish on Jun 6, 2024 11:06:05 GMT 12
Far king what! JT aside. Surely some heads need to roll if this is correct. Stats NZ management also gave JT wide-ranging access to their internal Stats NZ database so he could access key data, that many Stats NZ staff said they weren’t permitted to even access.This whole thing has the feeling of building to some major scandal that rocks NZ and it's trust in our public institutions to its core. Something pivotal like Watergate perhaps. I expect this will take some time to fully play out, like a year or more. It is not that JT is dodgy as fuck, we all know that, it is the number of govt institutions and the number of previous complaints not actioned, the whistle blowers and the complete absence of checks and balances that are normally applied or applied to everyone else. It is clear some level of election fraud or interference has occurred. Then there is the involvement of the Electoral Commission for not doing their job, or even allowing the Marae to be used as a polling station in the first place. Stats NZ and the census data. MoH and the covid contact details. MSD and the complete disregard for normal checks for conflict of interest and corruption in issuing contracts to Waipereria Trust, just handing over billions. I still can't work out what this Whanau Ora Trust thing is. JT is an ex Labour MP. He is joined at the hip with Willie Jackson. Labour and Willie have been in power over the last 6 years while all this was going on. When you ask yourself how EVERY govt department or agency could be remiss in their handling of JT and his interests, how could that happen? Was Labour or Willie or some other shadowy figure pulling the strings and smoothing the way? How many payments has JT made to pay off others under the guise of the Waipereria Trust, other Marae of the Maori Urban Authority (what the fuck is that anyway?!?) I'm predicting that this scandal is going to grow and grow and it is going to be deep rooted across the core of our govt agencies and political parties, and it is going to rock NZ to its core.
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Post by eri on Jun 6, 2024 14:41:37 GMT 12
during the lost labour years, all gov. depts
were terrified of being labeled racist if they dared asked maori activists to strictly adhere to nz law
certainly the messaging they were getting from the top was that no action would be taken against them for minor breaches of the law
JT's defence will be that any provable transgressions were only minor breaches by overly enthusiastic volunteers
his lawyers will say that a charge of 'paying for votes' is impossible to prove and even if it happened it is within the expanded maori cultural practices allowed for by new te titiri guidelines
you can see why the maori elite want an apartheid system with them at the top
they wouldn't have to keep justifying their law breaking
and be a tribal and nepotistic as the want
while 'equal outcomes' would be paid for by non-maori
this is their chance to carve themselves a little empire
live like kings and leave a steady passive income stream to their kids
but their 'taxation' of everyone else
does NOTHING for the country
but drag it back to a time when the chiefs were above the law
as they were the law
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Post by muzled on Jun 7, 2024 12:24:30 GMT 12
Haimona Gray almost deserves his own thread.
Such a good writer.
The 'Car-koi' And Partisan Activation
How Our Media Are Contributing To The Soft Bigotry Of Low Expectations
HAIMONA GRAY
JUN 6
After Monday, the last thing I wanted to do was write about Te Pati Maori or John Tamihere.
I am cognisant of beating a dead horse. I like horses, and beating a dead one seems very cruel and unnecessary - what would be the utility in that? Mill would be furious.
So, during one of my very infrequent attempts at exercise, I put on the most recent edition of The Front Page, a NZ Herald current affairs podcast I'm a regular listener of… which sounds like the start of a really grating Letter To The Editor, but I promise I'm going somewhere less cringe than that.
Their guest was Dr Carwyn Jones, a Maori legal scholar and co-editor of the Maori Law Review, who talked at length about last week's large scale protests against the Coalition Government.
Both he and host Chelsea Daniels noted that thousands of people came out in support of this sentiment. It had tapped into something quite a few people are feeling and the numbers given appear genuine, not one of those ‘Trump claims a million people were there, footage shows about twenty max’ situations.
What they failed to acknowledge in twenty five minutes of discussion however was who might be behind the protest, and what their motivations might be beyond generally being against the Coalition Government.
That struck me as odd. When protesters descend on Parliament en masse, normally the media give some background as to who is behind it.
Even the anti-mandate protests, which seemed to have grown online and not inside any specific political party, had official spokespeople.
Why not this one?
It didn't take me long, six minutes maybe, for me to find out that this protest was being organised by people directly connected to a political party - Te Pati Maori.
My dream of escaping John Tamihere was dashed, as was my enjoyment of the podcast.
Could a NZ Herald reporter not do the same basic research I accomplished from a park in West Auckland while trying not to do research? That seems unlikely.
My worry is that this is just one example of something we're seeing a lot lately, media outlets - often in pieces by pakeha journalists - maybe hoping to be good allies to Maori but ending up running Te Pati Maori talking points uncritically instead.
Political coverage needs to be even handed, but Te Pati Maori are seemingly getting far more free passes than any other party.
Fortunately, Liam Rātana at The Spinoff, in a deeper dive into Maori activism generally, did also answer the question of who might be behind the protest. More comprehensively than my couple of phone calls while looking at dogs too.
From The Spinoff: “The Toitū Te Tiriti movement was initially reported as being behind today’s protests. The group has an online store selling merchandise designed by artist Hohepa (The HORI) Thomas and a social media campaign being led by Eru Kapa-Kingi, son of te Pāti Māori MP Mariameno Kapa-Kingi and ninth on the party’s list at the last election. Many other Māori prominent on social media have shared content and called for people to join in.
However, there are no official faces, names or contact details affiliated with Toitū Te Tiriti or listed on its website. The Spinoff first received a media release about the kaupapa earlier in the week, sent by a public relations professional who said to contact managing director of Te Kōhao Health, Lady Tureiti Moxon, who paid for the release to be written and sent out.”
I first met Lady Moxon while working for John Tamihere and the Whanau Ora Commissioning Agency. She runs one of the nation's largest Maori health providers, one which receives significant funding from the Whanau Ora Commissioning Agency.
She is also very close with John Tamihere personally. This, in itself, is not something that is unusual amongst successful people.
It is more unusual when the successful person is John Tamihere - a man whose abrasive nature, and liberal use of vulgarities, results in friendships of an almost exclusively transactional nature.
This is also the same Whanau Ora Commissioning Agency which was accused in last weekend's Sunday Star Times of providing census data directly to Te Pati Maori.
It would not be unfair, given what I have witnessed and what has been reported, to say that Lady Moxon is a close business and personal associate of John Tamihere.
I do not know whether she is a member of Te Pati Maori but, combined with the involvement of the son of a Te Pati Maori MP, this all starts to look a lot less organic than it was framed as.
The Spinoff doesn't name the public relations professional who sent the email to news outlets advertising the protest and its locations, but I asked other journalists who also received the email where it came from and they all confirmed it to be a PR professional who regularly works for John Tamihere and his many entities, including the Whanau Ora Commissioning Agency.
I first met this person while working for John Tamihere and the Whanau Ora Commissioning Agency. In spite of us working in the same industry, a small industry, and in the same town, I have yet to come across them working for any other clients.
I don't doubt they have other clients, but this all paints a picture and not an abstract one.
People may argue Maoridom is small, but it isn't so small that all of this can be brushed aside as a coincidence. It is, at least, worth a passing mention that these people all connect together, and to Te Pati Maori.
It's disappointing that none of this closeness was mentioned, especially by a legal scholar with an understanding of the importance of transparency in politics and the media, but it's highly possible Dr Jones is not aware of any of this context.
To his credit, I did not meet Dr Jones while working for John Tamihere and the Whanau Ora Commissioning Agency, and he doesn't seem to be a partisan guy. Left leaning, sure, but not a party political guy.
My concern is that someone very bright and politically engaged didn't dig deeper into any of this, and a podcast on this subject by the nation's newspaper of record didn't either.
I know, in the case of other prominent Maori, not Dr Jones himself, there is a principle that holds them back from asking hard questions that may embarrass fellow Maori.
It is not something we're meant to discuss in the presence of non-Maori, but something we need to address to rebuff negative perceptions.
A pretty embarrassing example of this mindset is the treatment highly decorated Maori journalist Mihi Forbes received for exposing financial improprieties at the Kohanga Reo National Trust Board.
As reported in the NZ Herald, quote: "[the] piece focused on misspending at the Te Kohanga Reo National Trust Board and its wholly-owned subsidiary Te Pataka Ohanga Limited, a follow up to an earlier investigation by the show.
The previous investigation won the Best Investigative Reporting award at the 2014 World Indigenous Journalism Awards with judges saying it was "an excellent example of the rigour with which we need to conduct ourselves as journalists."
It led to several investigations into the trust and its subsidiary, including one by the Serious Fraud Office.
Executive interference in the Kohanga Reo story, and another on Whanau Ora, was believed to be a factor in Mihingarangi Forbes' resignation from Native Affairs.”
This was gold standard journalism, exposing wrongdoing by powerful people - including Tainui's King Tuheitia.
That the victims in this case were Maori organisations, ones supporting kids education, only strengthened the point that this reporting would help Maori by making these entities more transparent and financially sound.
Instead of being celebrated Forbes was vilified by some high profile Maori, including other journalists, who saw her as a ‘turncoat’.
Veteran broadcaster, and current Waitangi Tribunal member, Derek Fox accused her of being the root of the "pakehafication of Māori journalism".
Mihi won a fan in me, but I lack the cache and influence of a King or someone on the Waitangi Tribunal.
This is an issue, one we need to deal with within Maoridom, but one never will if we keep a wall up around our own failings.
I've come across this issue myself.
Several years ago I was asked to write a profile for Metro about a fascinatingly contradictory and shady political operative.
While writing it I was talking to my mum about the person I was profiling and she was strongly against the idea. She believed it wasn't right to speak poorly of a fellow Maori, even one who supported things she didn't and worked for a whanau who had treated her repugnantly.
A few years later, Jevan Goulter admitted in court to attempting to bribe and intimate victims of convicted sex offender James Wallace.
This was the person I was meant to not speak ill of, someone who further victimised victims of a disgusting man for a quick payday.
It also turns out that Jevan Goulter was not, and is not, Maori. This code of silence only hurts us as a people, and might let some wrongdoers get away with hurting the more vulnerable.
If we force a united front, while internally being at each other's throats, nothing gets better.
I wrote the profile anyway because I'd rather be open with my contempt. At least that's honest.
In the podcast, Dr Carwyn Jones said a national referendum was not the right way to address the principles of the Treaty. I agree, we have a referendum every three years and that's enough.
He then talked about Maori as if we are united in our anger at the government, and talked about political ‘activation’ as this organic development. I disagree.
There is nothing organic about this. If we were discussing vegetables and not activism they could be investigated for false advertising by repeatedly making this claim.
It's not uncommon to see politicians at protests but it is uncommon for a protest to be almost entirely organised by a parliamentary political party and for this to not be acknowledged in corresponding media coverage.
Continued uncritical coverage of Te Pati Maori has come at the cost for the mainstream media: reduced public credibility.
I've written for, or been interviewed by, every major media outlet in the country over the past ten years. I'll probably continue to do so, though I find what we have here more meaningful.
During this time I never reached as many people as I have with this SubStack. My last post had ten thousand views in less than seventy two hours. This is in spite of the fact that I've only been posting here since March and haven't advertised other than a few posts on X.
This new readership came with a pretty massive outpouring of responses, around a hundred of them directly criticising the mainstream media for not covering these issues.
I have gently pushed back on this by pointing out that, for the Sunday Star Times/Stuff, Andrea Vance has reignited this debate with her story, and that the NZ Herald’s own Matt Nippert has been covering issues with the Waipareira Trust for over a decade.
I pushed back, but I understand the sentiment completely. I'm coming around to it more and more by the day.
There are good journalists out there, I named three in this post, and I've enjoyed The Front Page when they've covered other issues like their pod on head injuries in sports.
Sadly their latest episode did not help this debate by running one side of a story, and missing hugely important context.
The issue here is the lack of honesty from the people behind the protests and the lack of questioning from people we are trusting to ask these questions.
While I will still believe that the mainstream media has an important role in our society and democracy, the responses I'm seeing show that they are failing to convince people they are still up to the task.
This will only get worse if journalists continue to not ask the hard questions of one political party, and its activists, that they would of any other party. One that didn't claim to speak for Maori.
There is a phrase for this kind of gloves-on treatment: the soft bigotry of low expectations.
This all fuels division, the lack of transparency from Te Pati Maori and the lack of critical eye by media stemming from a misguided desire for allyship.
We the public, whether Maori or not, deserve better.
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Post by eri on Jun 7, 2024 15:51:11 GMT 12
^^^
"The issue here is the lack of honesty from the people behind the protests and the lack of questioning from people we are trusting to ask these questions.
While I will still believe that the mainstream media has an important role in our society and democracy, the responses I'm seeing show that they are failing to convince people they are still up to the task.
This will only get worse if journalists continue to not ask the hard questions of one political party, and its activists, that they would of any other party.
One that didn't claim to speak for Maori."
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Post by ComfortZone on Jun 8, 2024 11:32:59 GMT 12
Chris Trotter has his say democracyproject.substack.com/p/maori-cannot-re-write-new-zealandsopens THE DEMAND for a “Māori Parliament” needs to be carefully unpicked. Some Pakeha, thoroughly alarmed by the incendiary rhetoric surrounding the proposition have taken to muttering darkly about “sedition” and “treason”. This is not a helpful line of reasoning to pursue since a threat, if it is to be counted real, requires a credible means of delivery, and, as far as we know, Te Pāti Māori has little to put in the field beyond the thousands of peaceful protesters it has already deployed. But, if the proposition is not to topple New Zealand’s present political system and replace it with one more reflective of Māori tikanga, then what, exactly, do these Māori constitutional architects have in mind? Crucially, given the fundamental importance of the issues under review, that remains far from clear – at least to most Pakeha. This is not accidental. Indeed, the Māori reticence to openly discuss constitutional reforms with Non-Māori is entirely deliberate. Although constitutional discussions have been taking place within Te Ao Māori for decades, and in spite of the fact that the discussions and debates of the past five years have brought at least the scaffolding of an “Aotearoan” constitution into much sharper focus, Māori are extremely reluctant to discuss their constitutional ideas with the rest of New Zealand.
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Post by ComfortZone on Jul 26, 2024 4:50:50 GMT 12
so at last the government is saying they are going to take action to fix a problem they (the National party) first created, at least better late than not at all breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2024/07/hon-paul-goldsmith-test-for-customary.html?m=1Hon Paul Goldsmith: Test for Customary Marine Title being restored The Government is proposing legislation to overturn a Court of Appeal decision and amend the Marine and Coastal Area Act in order to restore Parliament’s test for Customary Marine Title, Treaty Negotiations Minister Paul Goldsmith says. “Section 58 required an applicant group to prove they have exclusively used and occupied an area from 1840 to the present day, without substantial interruption. “However, last year the Court of Appeal in Re Edwards made a ruling which changed the nature of the test and materially reduced the threshold. “The Government does not agree with this change, and wants to ensure the wider public has confidence these tests are interpreted and applied consistently. “Customary Marine Title gives the holder valuable rights, including refusing resource consents in the area, such as for renewals of some private assets like wharves, or aquaculture expansion. “All New Zealanders have an interest in the coastal waters of our country, so Parliament deliberately set a high test in 2011 before Customary Marine Title could be granted. “Therefore, as part of National-New Zealand First coalition agreement, the Government has agreed to propose legislation which will ensure these tests for applications directly with the Crown or through the Courts are upheld as originally intended.” These measures include: Inserting a declaratory statement that overturns the reasoning of the Court of Appeal and High Court in Re Edwards, and the reasoning of all High Court decisions since the High Court in Re Edwards, where they relate to the test for CMT. Adding text to section 58 to define and clarify the terms ‘exclusive use and occupation’ and ‘substantial interruption’. Amending the ‘burden of proof’ section of the Act (section 106) to clarify that applicant groups are required to prove exclusive use and occupation from 1840 to the present day. Making clearer the relationship between the framing sections of the Act (the preamble, purpose, and Treaty of Waitangi sections) and section 58 in a way that allows section 58 to operate more in line with its literal wording. “Cabinet also agreed that the amended section 58 test should be applied from today’s date, if enacted. This will be reflected in the proposed legislation. “This means existing CMT decisions will continue to be recognised. “All undetermined applications as of today’s date, would, if Parliament enacts these amendments, be decided under the clarified test. “This would include the limited number of applications currently before the High Court that have been heard but where there are no judgments. “The Government acknowledges that until Parliament legislates to amend the Act that the Courts are required to apply the Court of Appeal’s decision. If enacted, judgments made after today will be overturned. “Drafting of the Bill is underway. The Government’s current timetable is to seek Cabinet’s approval for introduction of the amendment Bill in mid-September. “The Act enables the legal recognition of Māori customary rights while protecting the legitimate interests of all New Zealanders in the marine and coastal area.
National should never have changed Liebour's Foreshore Act(one of the few things the Clark government got right), but that was Key and Findlayson sucking up to TMP. Still, the current government is too spineless to make the legislation retrospective to disallow the CMT claims that the Supreme Court have already confirmed, contrary to the intent and word of the existing CMT.
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Post by muzled on Jul 29, 2024 17:39:44 GMT 12
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Post by harrytom on Jul 29, 2024 18:30:01 GMT 12
seachange.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/5086-SCTTTP-Marine-Spatial-Plan-WR.pdfIf anyone wants to take the time and read exactly what has been signed off there it is. Basically .If Maori can prove a coastal was/is/had supplied the IWI with Kaimoana then they will have for goverance over the area. Which means they can decide on take or no take what species/shellfish can or cannot be taken.Set limits/seasons but cannot lock off access to non maori. And you will be surprised who has signed off on it. Who are the Stakeholder Working Group? • Jake Bartrom: Coromandel, youth and recreation. • Matt Ball: Auckland, Ports of Auckland. • Laurie Beamish: Ngāi Tai ki Tāmaki, mana whenua member. • Joe Davis: Ngāti Hei, mana whenua member. • Katrina Goddard: Waipu, environmental. • Alison Henry: Whitianga, community. • David Kellian: Warkworth, commercial fishing. • Callum McCallum: Clevedon, aquaculture. • Scott Macindoe: recreational fishing. • Dirk Sieling: Whitianga, farming and recreational f ishing. • Tame Te Rangi: Ngāti Whātua, mana whenua member. • Lucy Tukua: Ngāti Paoa, mana whenua member. • Conall Buchanan: Paeroa, farming. • Raewyn Peart: Point Chevalier, environmental. The SWG has an appointed independent chair, Paul Beverley. In addition to the above, Alan Proctor (recreational f ishing) was a member of the SWG from 2013 until 2015, and Nick Main the independent chair and Kaaren Goodall the independent facilitator from 2013 until mid 2015. The Stakeholder Working Group has developed the Plan through extensive engagement with mana whenua, local communities, and stakeholder groups, gathering science and mātauranga from many sources including technical experts, and considerable contributions from local and central government agencies. So "Legasea" or NZ SFC cannot object to any changes they were serving on the board and signed off on it,and yes I attended a meeting where a small group of us felt those who were supposedly looking after our interests sold us out.
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Post by ComfortZone on Jul 31, 2024 14:13:57 GMT 12
Glad to see the Coalition government winding back the disgraceful undemocratic Maori wards legislation, a legacy from Mahoota the looter from RCR The coalition government delivered on one of its key promises yesterday by passing the Maori Wards Bill into law. Councils that established Maori wards without a referendum will be required to either hold a binding poll alongside the 2025 local body elections, or scrap the Maori wards. Local Government Minister Simeon Brown said the Bill “restores local democracy and decision making” and “draws a line under the divisive policies introduced by the previous government that denied local communities a say over whether to establish these constituencies”. Restoring the requirement for local referenda on Maori wards was a commitment in National’s coalition agreements with both ACT and NZ First. Labour, the Greens and the Maori Party all voted against the Bill and expressed fierce opposition in Parliament. Labour leader Chris Hipkins said it was “a shameful day for our parliament as we pass another piece of legislation that discriminates against Maori, that treats Maori differently to other New Zealanders”.
Green MP Huhana Lyndon said the government was continuing to attack Maori and exclude them from the local government decision-making table. Maori Party MP Mariameno Kapa-Kingi said "the removal of Maori wards is merely another open invite to racists across this whenua to the open season against te Iwi Maori".
Don't how Hipkins can talk such shit with a straight face, but then he is Liebour
Next cabs off the rank need to be ACT's Treaty Principles, getting rid of the Maori dominated water regulator and ultimately getting rid of the Maori seats
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Post by muzled on Jul 31, 2024 16:19:53 GMT 12
Otago iwi saying that water that has passed through a human body can't be put back into waterways even when it's been treated. (although it will apply to the whole country) theplatform.kiwi/podcasts/episode/federated-farmers-luke-kane-on-te-mana-o-te-waiThat in turn means the water, that's treated drinking quality water, needs to be pumped onto land. And that in turn means that the land can't then be used for growing food. ie - no farming, dairy or horticulture. Otago regional council are looking into buying dairy farms to pump the perfectly clean treated water onto. This applies to every small town that has a treatment plant. The rates rises should be stratospheric! All for some cultural belief, talk about the tail wagging the dog.
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Post by fish on Jul 31, 2024 16:55:00 GMT 12
Otago iwi saying that water that has passed through a human body can't be put back into waterways even when it's been treated. (although it will apply to the whole country) theplatform.kiwi/podcasts/episode/federated-farmers-luke-kane-on-te-mana-o-te-waiThat in turn means the water, that's treated drinking quality water, needs to be pumped onto land. And that in turn means that the land can't then be used for growing food. ie - no farming, dairy or horticulture. Otago regional council are looking into buying dairy farms to pump the perfectly clean treated water onto. This applies to every small town that has a treatment plant. The rates rises should be stratospheric! All for some cultural belief, talk about the tail wagging the dog. Having worked in the industry, and assisted colleagues who do both wastewater treatment and resource consents, you would not comprehend how much this is costing NZ. Name a small to medium sized town, infact any town or city outside of Auckland, Hamiliton, Welly, Chch, Nelson and Dunedin. Every town and city in NZ has old Wastewater Treatment Plants that are old and have expired or expiring resource consents. Almost all of them discharge treated water to a river. If they don't they have a marine outfall. As the consents come up for renewal, the Tribes state they will not tolerate treated water going into any watercourse. So we must go to land disposal via irrigation. This is not negotiable. The overall cost for the scheme goes up between 6 and 10 times. That is measured against a modern WWTP treating wastewater to a drinking water standard, but discharging to a river or the sea and the modern irrigation option. The costs are mind-boggling. Most land in NZ is saturated in winter, so you can't irrigate for 6 months of the year. The general solution is to build a dam to store half a year's worth of wastewater. Generally the land for irrigation needs to be purchased. We are talking about 100's of hectares, normally productive farmland. Then, every town in NZ has a massive Inflow and Infiltration problem. That is where the network pipes are old and leaky, and when it rains the wastewater network fills up and overflows with stormwater. That is a separate issue and is generally why you can't swim at a beach after it rains. Previously, with WWTP's discharging to rivers, when it rains the wastewater has less 'strength' cause it is 90% stormwater, so can be treated easily and put straight into said river. Now, with the Tribes requirements to irrigate to land, you are having to build dams to store rainwater for 6 months prior to irrigating onto land. Mangawhai, the world leading clusterfuck of wastewater schemes was supposed to cost $8mil I think, ended up costing north of $60mil for exactly these reasons. That $60mil was spread over 1,000 ratepayers at the time. I've looked at Ohakune, Featherstone and a bunch of other similar places, the cost to 'renew' the existing Resource Consent is in the order of $100mil now for these small communities with 1-2,000 ratepayers. All because land irrigation is required by the Tribes. Because it is basically physically impossible to comply with the Tribes requirements, most Councils are electing to pipe one town's wastewater 10's of km's to another town, on the basis that they have a Resource Consent for discharge at the other town. This is great for anyone like me that is a hydraulics engineer, but it means we are laying transfer pipelines between 20km to 50km long all over the countryside to provide wastewater service for communities as small as 500 people. In a large number of cases it would be cheaper for the whole town to revert to septic tanks, which of course the Council wont consider. I tell you, the country really has no idea how much additional cost is being run up by accommodating the Maori world view. And people can't work out why rates are going up so fast... Rough capital cost to ratepayers is $100,000 / property for treatment and disposal, not counting retic and operating costs. Try charging people who already have a wastewater service an extra $100k per household cause you can't renew your resource consent. Even better, try going to a public meeting and explaining that... And try explaining that without blaming the Tribes ;-)
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Post by muzled on Jul 31, 2024 19:05:19 GMT 12
Rough capital cost to ratepayers is $100,000 / property for treatment and disposal, not counting retic and operating costs. Try charging people who already have a wastewater service an extra $100k per household cause you can't renew your resource consent. Even better, try going to a public meeting and explaining that... And try explaining that without blaming the Tribes ;-) This is what needs to happen. Tell the masses what it's going to cost. Buy some popcorn. Sit back and watch the backlash.
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Post by fish on Jul 31, 2024 19:28:05 GMT 12
Rough capital cost to ratepayers is $100,000 / property for treatment and disposal, not counting retic and operating costs. Try charging people who already have a wastewater service an extra $100k per household cause you can't renew your resource consent. Even better, try going to a public meeting and explaining that... And try explaining that without blaming the Tribes ;-) This is what needs to happen. Tell the masses what it's going to cost. Buy some popcorn. Sit back and watch the backlash. Anyone that has tried that within Council, especially elected Councillors, get a Code of Conduct Complaint thrown at them. Anyone that even so much as says they don't want to do all the cultural shit gets a CoC complaint. Invercargill Mayor, some Councillor in Dunedin has one going at the moment for refusing to do the cultural rituals at the start of meetings, it just goes on and on.
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Post by muzled on Jul 31, 2024 19:36:06 GMT 12
The cultural waffle doesn't matter a rats though.
Just tell the masses how much it's going to cost each household.
Game. Set. Match.
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Post by fish on Jul 31, 2024 19:44:03 GMT 12
The cultural waffle doesn't matter a rats though. Just tell the masses how much it's going to cost each household. Game. Set. Match. It is possible one of the best examples to justify RMA reforms. What it needs is government leadership to change the regulatory framework so Tribes can't dictate without due regard to cost. I can see ACT getting onboard with this. This govt know the RMA needs an overhaul. The main issue is it is such a big beast (the RMA) that it takes longer than one Parliamentary term to sort out. And yes, most people glaze over when you mention regulatory frameworks and consenting requirements. The best way to get engagement would be as you say muzled, tell them the Tribes requirements are costing you $100k per household. Or we could do it the old way, with drinking water quality effluent going back into our rivers and sea. Zero actual environmental impact (noting new tight limits for nitrogen and phosphate). The only difference would be the cultural beliefs not being pandered to. Noting in the past people put a wetland at the outlet, so the wastewater has contact with land before entering the river. That solution got the ky-bosh as well.
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