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Post by sloopjohnb on Aug 2, 2024 9:01:34 GMT 12
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Post by fish on Aug 2, 2024 9:16:01 GMT 12
Wow. I am really struggling with almost all of this. It is a complete tautology, as in they are saying black is white. This paragraph is probably the best example: The report found Vandervis to have breached the code for statements in the email, by refusing to attend Te Pae Māori meetings, and by referring to mana whenua representatives on two council committees as anti-democratic and race-based representation. The fact based definition of mana whenua representatives is exactly what Vandervis said. They are appointed on race and are not elected. How can stating this possibly be a code of conduct breach? Code of Conduct should be around grossly objectionable actions. Screaming and yelling in an aggressive manner at Councillors or staff. Fighting. Turning up drunk or smashed to Council meetings. Corrupt activity, fraud etc. So, along with that, they are censuring this guy, along with apparently mispronouncing the word Maori. Really? Council has nothing better to do with its time or resources? I suspect Vandervis will get a massive lift in votes at the next election. He is the only guy stating the obvious. If it is a spade, what do you call it? A multi-pronoun gender neutral earth-crust-penetration implement? |
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Post by ComfortZone on Aug 6, 2024 16:46:46 GMT 12
John Key has alot to answer for over the current state of the country's race relations, particularly the claims by Iwi in many areas. Yet he does not know well enough to keep his mouth shut. www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/national-party-conference-sir-john-keys-call-to-take-the-temperature-down-on-race-relations-verdict-on-the-national-coalition-with-nz-first-and-act/OPFFPXREPRAYVJ754HDSRFBDKM/Don Brash under his Hobson's Pledge banner has this to say in reply John Key's Call for "Caution" in Race Relations Former National Party leader Sir John Key has urged people to “take the temperature down a wee bit” in the debate surrounding race issues. He believes this is an area where any government needs to “tread carefully.”
He also mentioned recent issues such as ACT’s Treaty Principles Bill, the removal of Section 7AA from the Oranga Tamariki Act, and National’s move to overturn a court decision on the Marine and Coastal Area Act.
It seems clear that Sir John Key prefers to avoid difficult conversations. When he was Prime Minister, he favoured deals that solved immediate problems but allowed division and resentment to foster in the long term.
The reality is, if we had always trod carefully and feared stepping on toes, we wouldn’t have achieved nearly as much progress in halting separatism as we have.
Avoiding tough discussions has led successive governments to allow officials in Wellington (as well as special interests) to take New Zealand down a dangerous path of co-governance and a two-tier democracy. There’s still a long way to go to ensure equal rights for all, and we certainly won't get there if our political leaders are too timid to talk about it!
Restoring public access to the foreshore and seabed in the Marine and Coastal Area Act, removing Section 7AA of the Oranga Tamariki Act, and addressing ACT’s Treaty Principles Bill are ongoing issues that can’t be ignored simply because Sir John Key suggests we "cool down."
He stated:
“The important thing is that we’re all New Zealanders and I think everybody wants to live in a place where we can respect one another, get along well, and foster a better New Zealand. So I’d kind of encourage everyone to maybe take the temperature down a wee bit.”
This is exactly the point.
These conversations must persist because we share a vision of New Zealand where everyone is equal and where no one is given special rights based on their ancestry or skin colour.
“You should always treat race issues carefully because, in the end, we all want to live in a harmonious society. Māori are the indigenous population of New Zealand and Treaty partners, so you have to treat them with respect and care,” Sir John added.
While we respect Sir John Key’s contribution, we must respectfully disagree.
Capitulating to special interests is not a sign of respect or caring.
If we respect the value of all New Zealanders, we must discuss any moves to weaken our democracy.
What is there to disagree with in the Treaty Principles Bill?
* The Bill aims to finally define the principles of the Treaty as frequently mentioned in law and clarify what the three articles of the Treaty actually mean in 2024 and for the future (and reject what the activist academics have reinterpreted it to say).
* It will not alter the Treaty itself.
* New Zealanders as a whole have never been democratically consulted on these "Treaty principles."
* The Bill seeks to clarify that the Treaty was meant to ensure equality for all, not to justify offering different access to taxpayer-funded services, guaranteed positions on government boards, or a separate healthcare authority based on ancestry.
* It promotes equality before the law.
The issue isn’t the content of the Bill but the fact that it’s even considered controversial.
This should be a concern for the National Party.
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Post by sloopjohnb on Aug 6, 2024 20:59:08 GMT 12
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Post by fish on Aug 7, 2024 8:46:44 GMT 12
New Plymouth Councillor too scared to speak out against Maori wards: Fighting back tears, Chong told a two-thirds full council chamber "don't shoot the messenger" before saying that he would not be fronting any resistance to a Māori ward next year because he feared for his safety. "I won't be saying anything because I believe you've won. You've won because of the tactics I've received over the past five years. "I'm now scared. I've had my life threatened several times in letters. I now can't walk by myself at night because I've been told I will be king-hit and I'll wake up in a hospital. I've had people say they will grab my dog, chop it up into quarters and leave it on my doorstep. I've had my daughter hassled." Chong said he was used to people yelling obscenities at his house as they drove past, but last week "something even more disgusting [happened]". "I don't even want to say it. It's a whole other level and now I'm really worried," he said without elaborating . During a break, he told RNZ his ute had been hit by a single shot fired at it while parked outside his house on Thursday night. "It was just a drive-by on my property and the police are looking at that, but it's another level. I get abused by people driving by. Most people know where I am on a main road. I'm quite used to that but this is a whole other level. www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/524361/new-plymouth-councillor-murray-chong-s-car-hit-by-gunshot |
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Post by eri on Aug 7, 2024 9:26:26 GMT 12
Sounds like organized crime
What great co-governors these people make
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Post by fish on Aug 7, 2024 10:35:46 GMT 12
Sounds like organized crime What great co-governors these people make It will be telling what the Police do about it. I wonder if they will even open an investigation, or if they will just let radical fringes undermine our democracy. |
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Post by muzled on Aug 7, 2024 13:53:11 GMT 12
New Plymouth Councillor too scared to speak out against Maori wards: Fighting back tears, Chong told a two-thirds full council chamber "don't shoot the messenger" before saying that he would not be fronting any resistance to a Māori ward next year because he feared for his safety. "I won't be saying anything because I believe you've won. You've won because of the tactics I've received over the past five years. "I'm now scared. I've had my life threatened several times in letters. I now can't walk by myself at night because I've been told I will be king-hit and I'll wake up in a hospital. I've had people say they will grab my dog, chop it up into quarters and leave it on my doorstep. I've had my daughter hassled." Chong said he was used to people yelling obscenities at his house as they drove past, but last week "something even more disgusting [happened]". "I don't even want to say it. It's a whole other level and now I'm really worried," he said without elaborating . During a break, he told RNZ his ute had been hit by a single shot fired at it while parked outside his house on Thursday night. "It was just a drive-by on my property and the police are looking at that, but it's another level. I get abused by people driving by. Most people know where I am on a main road. I'm quite used to that but this is a whole other level. www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/524361/new-plymouth-councillor-murray-chong-s-car-hit-by-gunshotInterview with Plunkett. theplatform.kiwi/podcasts/episode/murray-chong-has-his-ute-shot-at-amid-heated-maori-wards-debateIt was 'only' a slug gun. But if you wandered into a mall with a slug gun you'd soon have the armed offenders on your case and you'd never legally own another gun in your life. This has to be one of the worst sides of a little inbred country called nuzld. You can't actually have a debate about some things now. They're off the table and should you try, well clearly your are racist and you need re-educating, or gun shots fired at you/tyres slashed etc. Pretty appalling state of affairs when this sort of thing happens because of your views. I wonder if the local Maori MP will speak up about it? Debbie, anything to say? |
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Post by GO30 on Aug 7, 2024 14:19:49 GMT 12
And Kaipara District Council, KDC, has just voted to dump the Maori ward. Vote was 6-3.
If I was the Mayor I'd make sure my family were staying elsewhere for a few days and my bed was not near a window.
So we get a referendum on Maori wards next year. I reckon a Maori ward does stand a decent chance of getting a yes vote from my chatting around.
If it does then that's true democracy and I'm OK with whichever way it goes.
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Post by muzled on Aug 7, 2024 14:51:21 GMT 12
And Kaipara District Council, KDC, has just voted to dump the Maori ward. Vote was 6-3. If I was the Mayor I'd make sure my family were staying elsewhere for a few days and my bed was not near a window. So we get a referendum on Maori wards next year. I reckon a Maori ward does stand a decent chance of getting a yes vote from my chatting around. If it does then that's true democracy and I'm OK with whichever way it goes. Pera Paniora (your local Maori ward constituent) did an innerview with Michael Laws y.day, Kaipara is 40% Maori she said. If they got their shit together they could get Maori wards, or she could even get voted in which would be much better. I think she said she is going to stand, so I hope she does get 'her people' (for want of a better word) out to vote. And like you say GO, a much better reflection of democracy. theplatform.kiwi/podcasts/episode/pera-paniora-on-maori-wards-local-government |
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Post by eri on Aug 7, 2024 22:36:08 GMT 12
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Post by sloopjohnb on Aug 7, 2024 23:09:52 GMT 12
Had a laugh while watching the news tonight........the Kaiparia District council votes to disestblish Maori ward. One of the protesters was wearing a palestine scraff who is she supporting?   |
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Post by ComfortZone on Aug 20, 2024 5:05:28 GMT 12
Foreshore areas in the North Is subject to claim under MACA
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Post by em on Aug 20, 2024 9:10:10 GMT 12
They neglected to state that it was a PCP air rifle . They have a compressed air cylinder and magazines and are available in .22 calibre . you need a firearms liscence to own one . |
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Post by muzled on Aug 22, 2024 17:01:51 GMT 12
From kiwiblog comments, anyone know if it's true?
Absolute gold if it is.
Panuku Auckland are upgrading the breakwater at Westhaven Marina to provide better protection from adverse weather events and predicted sea level rises.
4 different Iwi groups turned up for the pre-commencement blessing (and tea and cakes afterwards). There was a bit of a barney about who had priority.
The police had to be called to separate the groups.
There was quite a bit of sniggering from the sidelines
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